Dinesh D'Souza is a terrible human being

[PhysicalRemoval]

Well the GOP is doing jack to make the mental health system better:

Trump and the GOP's huge hypocrisy on mental health care - NY Daily News

Okay, so what you want to make gun training a part of a teacher's job now? Do you think someone who wanted to teach math should be packing heat? What if the gun man shot the teacher first, what if the teacher and the gun man get into a fire fight and people die in the cross fire? What if the gun man manages to shoot several students before the vaunted ''good guy with a gun'' stops him? Could any of that stopped this gun man from killing anyone? Didn't that school have an armed guard?

Armed guard at Florida school never encountered rampaging gunman - NY Daily News

You do realize other first world countries do not have to make their schools into fortresses, right?

You do realize we are not like other nations, and do not care how they conduct their affairs, right?

 

[PhysicalRemoval]

Did not work in Florida:

Armed guard at Florida school never encountered rampaging gunman - NY Daily News

And for all the conservatives saying the government spends too much, where will the money come from to pay for making every school in America a fortress?

We waste 135 Billion a year on illegals, surely we can use that money instead.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Probably needs revision to be effective then, because, yes, it didn't work in that instance.

But there are a lot of contributing factors that everyone seems eagerly willing to ignore in favor of the pointless shouting accusations and insults at each other, which never results in a solution that addresses the root causes. :roll:

But is turning every American school into a fortress a real solution?

You know what, if actually did something to fix the mental system, that would be something, except they just say they will and then they turn around and cut funds for it.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...n-after-shooting-his-budget-would-cut-program

If Republicans actually do something about mental health, that would be something and if that actually reduced the amount of mass shootings in the US, no one would have a problem with that, but too often the GOP only pays lip service to idea of improving mental health and some conservative say that mass shootings are the price of freedom.

So why is there money for turning schools into fortresses, but no money for mental health?

 

[Yes_Minister]

You do realize we are not like other nations, and do not care how they conduct their affairs, right?

Yes, clearly the US can never learn anything from other countries and is perfect.

What is Canada less free because there are fewer mass shootings up there? Are children free when they have to fear for their lives going school every day and you turn their school into a fortress?

 

[Yes_Minister]

We waste 135 Billion a year on illegals, surely we can use that money instead.

Fine, whatever, I am not going debate that on this thread. Would the GOP spend some of the money on mental health this time or just say they will and then spend it on upper class tax cuts and the military?

 

[PhysicalRemoval]

But is turning every American school into a fortress a real solution?

You know what, if actually did something to fix the mental system, that would be something, except they just say they will and then they turn around and cut funds for it.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...n-after-shooting-his-budget-would-cut-program

If Republicans actually do something about mental health, that would be something and if that actually reduced the amount of mass shootings in the US, no one would have a problem with that, but too often the GOP only pays lip service to idea of improving mental health and some conservative say that mass shootings are the price of freedom.

So why is there money for turning schools into fortresses, but no money for mental health?

Maybe stop drugging kids? Maybe stop thinking everything is preventable and accept that crazies will always exist and stripping away basic rights and freedoms does nothing to keep us free but makes us unsafe?

If you remember your side claimed it violated their rights to keep them locked up, and seeing the rampant abuse in the "mental health" sector (a joke on countless levels) I for once (albeit for wrong reasons) agree.

 

[eohrnberger]

But is turning every American school into a fortress a real solution?

You know what, if actually did something to fix the mental system, that would be something, except they just say they will and then they turn around and cut funds for it.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...n-after-shooting-his-budget-would-cut-program

If Republicans actually do something about mental health, that would be something and if that actually reduced the amount of mass shootings in the US, no one would have a problem with that, but too often the GOP only pays lip service to idea of improving mental health and some conservative say that mass shootings are the price of freedom.

So why is there money for turning schools into fortresses, but no money for mental health?

All possible options that actually start to get at the root causes, that deserve debate and consideration. Maybe armed security isn't the best solution, but there are many others worth considering. Far better than just shouting insults and accusations at each other.

I don't think that there's a single magic solution for this. I suspect that it'll take a lot of little initiatives, finding the ones that are effective, discarding the ones that aren't for each locale. I'm not saying that I have the answers, I freely admit that I don't, but what I do know is that we can find the solutions that work, as long as we aren't polarizing the politics and polarizing the political discussion with 'If you aren't with us, you are against us' type of talk.

 

[PhysicalRemoval]

Yes, clearly the US can never learn anything from other countries and is perfect.

What is Canada less free because there are fewer mass shootings up there? Are children free when they have to fear for their lives going school every day and you turn their school into a fortress?

They have no due process, no right to a fair trial, no freedom of speech, etc up North, so yeah they are clearly not as free. Freedom is risky that much is clear, its not our fault if some people can not handle the risk of life or abuse others.

Freedom or Safety. Its clear which side values which.

Fine, whatever, I am not going debate that on this thread. Would the GOP spend some of the money on mental health this time or just say they will and then spend it on upper class tax cuts and the military?

You asked where can we can get the money from, I just told you, now you want to drop it? I wonder why?

 

[Yes_Minister]

They have no due process, no right to a fair trial, no freedom of speech, etc up North, so yeah they are clearly not as free. Freedom is risky that much is clear, its not our fault if some people can not handle the risk of life or abuse others.

Freedom or Safety. Its clear which side values which.

Do you seriously think Canada does not have free speech or due process? Do you think the Queen simply sends people to the dungeon in Canada, if they do not obey her or something?

The US has the highest prison population in the world. That and mass shootings should not be seen as some great mark of freedom for the US.

You asked where can we can get the money from, I just told you, now you want to drop it? I wonder why?

Because illegal immigration is not the topic of the thread?

 

[Yes_Minister]

All possible options that actually start to get at the root causes, that deserve debate and consideration. Maybe armed security isn't the best solution, but there are many others worth considering. Far better than just shouting insults and accusations at each other.

I don't think that there's a single magic solution for this. I suspect that it'll take a lot of little initiatives, finding the ones that are effective, discarding the ones that aren't for each locale. I'm not saying that I have the answers, I freely admit that I don't, but what I do know is that we can find the solutions that work, as long as we aren't polarizing the politics and polarizing the political discussion with 'If you aren't with us, you are against us' type of talk.

If the GOP actually did something about mental health, that would be something, but so far they have not.

Something would better then nothing, too many people like Bill O'Reilly just shrug their shoulders at this problem. At least if you changed the mental health system, you would have something you can measure.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Maybe stop drugging kids? Maybe stop thinking everything is preventable and accept that crazies will always exist and stripping away basic rights and freedoms does nothing to keep us free but makes us unsafe?

If you remember your side claimed it violated their rights to keep them locked up, and seeing the rampant abuse in the "mental health" sector (a joke on countless levels) I for once (albeit for wrong reasons) agree.

So what you want to do the Bill O'Reilly shoulder shrug solution (do nothing and say mass shootings are the price of freedom)? I can see why kids who face the danger of school shootings would not see that as a great solution.

 

[PhysicalRemoval]

Do you seriously think Canada does not have free speech or due process? Do you think the Queen simply sends people to the dungeon in Canada, if they do not obey her or something?

The US has the highest prison population in the world. That and mass shootings should not be seen as some great mark of freedom for the US.

When you can be sent to jail based on "Hate speech laws" you are not a free country, but nothing. Well when you make every a ****ing crime (via a never ending list of laws, regulations, fines, etc) what the ****ing hell did you think would happen?

You guess want to reduce the prison population? Maybe stop making laws for every god damn thing you do not agree with, dislike, etc.

Because illegal immigration is not the topic of the thread?

You asked "Where will the funds come from" I noted a massive source of waste we could be using.

 

[PhysicalRemoval]

So what you want to do the Bill O'Reilly shoulder shrug solution (do nothing and say mass shootings are the price of freedom)? I can see why kids who face the danger of school shootings would not see that as a great solution.

I just told you possible ideas, unless it is gun control your side does not want anything to do with it.

 

[PhysicalRemoval]

If the GOP actually did something about mental health, that would be something, but so far they have not.

Something would better then nothing, too many people like Bill O'Reilly just shrug their shoulders at this problem. At least if you changed the mental health system, you would have something you can measure.

A bad law is worse then nothing.

 

[Yes_Minister]

I just told you possible ideas, unless it is gun control your side does not want anything to do with it.

So would you want the GOP to spend money on mental health to deal with this problem? Because it seems like you are turning your nose at every idea except turning schools into fortresses.

 

[Yes_Minister]

A bad law is worse then nothing.

Then why do Republicans say mental health is the real issue here?

 

[Yes_Minister]

When you can be sent to jail based on "Hate speech laws" you are not a free country, but nothing. Well when you make every a ****ing crime (via a never ending list of laws, regulations, fines, etc) what the ****ing hell did you think would happen?

You guess want to reduce the prison population? Maybe stop making laws for every god damn thing you do not agree with, dislike, etc..

How many Canadians are in prison due to hate speech laws vs. Americans due to minor drug offenses? Also I bet the private prison loves the high prison population and a lot of conservatives care more about pleasing them then actual freedom and would American schools be more free then Canadian ones if students have to fear for their lives and you want to make their schools into armed forts?

You asked "Where will the funds come from" I noted a massive source of waste we could be using.

So how much would it cost to make every American school into a fort? Even if you dollar amount regarding illegal immigrants was corrected, how would you transfer that spending to this crazy "make all schools into forts idea"? You have a vague notion, not a funding plan.

 

[PhysicalRemoval]

So would you want the GOP to spend money on mental health to deal with this problem? Because it seems like you are turning your nose at every idea except turning schools into fortresses.

We have ruled out that most of what your side wants done on mental health has been ruled unconstitutional for a host of reasons, namely violation of due process and violation of the assumption of innocence.

Your side clearly wants more violations of the 2nd, 4th, 5th, 8th Amendments. Your side is getting nothing. The Cuckservatives who play along will be punished in the primaries.

 

[TurtleDude]

I don't remember the case, but I am fairly certain the previous assault weapons ban was challenged in court. The 2nd Amd doesn't bar all restrictions on gun ownership.

It's not necessarily true that this law would take "rights" away, in the same way that allthough you have a general right to travel, the government does have room to regulate how and in what condition you do so. You can't travel at 150 mph in a car. You can't ride a horse on a highway. You can't drive drunk. Cars have to meet certain requirements. There are limits on them in terms of manufacture, for example, you cannot drive a stock car around on public roads (I am fairly certain).


Yadda yadda. Now, you may want to have an argument about whether the ban in question here would actually do much of anything, but that's a different debates. For you to accurately claim that this law would take away "rights", you have to show or at least make a good legal argument as to why these arms could not be banned under the 2nd Amd.

If they can be, then "rights" aren't being taken away.

it never got to the supremes-the makers got around it but that was before Heller. Its hard to find support for a federal ban without overruling Heller. State bans are more a gray area

 

[PhysicalRemoval]

Then why do Republicans say mental health is the real issue here?

It is likely a side issue, putting kids on SSRI will turn even a stable person into a souless machine.

How many Canadians are in prison due to hate speech laws vs. Americans due to minor drug offenses? Also I bet the private prison loves the high prison population and a lot of conservatives care more about pleasing them then actual freedom and would American schools be more free then Canadian ones if students have to fear for their lives and you want to make their schools into armed forts?

Google it. So maybe you should not press for more laws that turn innocent people into criminals.

You can throw out that trope all you want, your side has really little creditably. "I want fewer criminals, fewer people in jail, but I want to make more and more laws"..Yeah keep saying what you want and doing the total ass opposite.

So how much would it cost to make every American school into a fort? Even if you dollar amount regarding illegal immigrants was corrected, how would you transfer that spending to this crazy "make all schools into forts idea"? You have a vague notion, not a funding plan.

Cheaper then violating American`s civil rights. More over the idea of a leftist becoming a budget hawk NOW is ****ing hilarious.

 

[Cardinal]

I showed relevant examples of others that have much deeper pockets than the NRA, you don't accept that fact. :shrug: Whatever.

Irrelevant. You said the NRA didn't have the spending power. I showed they did and that they demonstrated that spending power annually. Nuff said.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

That might be true, be he sadly lacks decorum. We are talking about lives, not a basket full of toys.

The kids in question were just more liberals suffering TDS, being used by Fake News for propaganda. We're sick of it, and so is D'Souza.

 

[PhysicalRemoval]

That might be true, be he sadly lacks decorum. We are talking about lives, not a basket full of toys.

Decorum is not an argument.

 

[holbritter]

Those "kids" are now being used as props, how is that not disgusting?

If that's true, it's just as disgusting.

 

[tres borrachos]

Yeah, his dad was once an FBI agent. As if that matters at all in this case. But, to deplorable conspiracy theorists, it's apparently all they need to spin some hair-brained yarn, sucking in everything fro George Soros to probably Robert Mueller.

Attack a kid who wants to talk about guns, and attack the FBI, all in one fell swoop. It's like Heaven to a Trump devotee.

Sick. All of them. Did you see that piece of **** Tucker Carlson last night?