Different Levels of Hell?

[Rexedgar]

For the sake of argument, let’s say there is a Heaven and a Hell. Do you think there are different levels of Hell? How evil was the person/soul that ends up here? Just an unbeliever or a mass murderer; do they suffer the same fate?

Example 1)

” Religion convinced the world that there's an invisible man in the sky who watches everything you do. And there's 10 things he doesn't want you to do or else you'll go to a burning place with a lake of fire until the end of eternity. But he loves you! ...And he needs money! He's all powerful, but he can't handle money.” -George Carlin


Example 2)

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Do these two share the same fate?

 

[OrphanSlug]

With respect for where we are in the forums, the idea of "levels" of hell is literary in nature and not rooted in the various religious text with enough distinction to suggest so. The opposing views of what hell is seems to be of greater debate from that same text than this concept.

 

[swing_voter]

The pope spoke of a very proud angel who was envious of God, reports Catholic News Service.

"He wanted God's place," said Francis. "And God wanted to forgive him, but he said, 'I don't need your forgiveness. I am good enough!'"

"This is hell," explained the pope. "It is telling God, 'You take care of yourself because I'll take care of myself.' They don't send you to hell, you go there because you choose to be there. Hell is wanting to be distant from God because I do not want God's love. This is hell."

Most contemporary theologians would agree with the pope. Hell is not about fire and brimstone; it is about our freedom to say no to God, our freedom to reject love and choose loneliness. If you believe in freedom, you have to believe in hell.

Pope Francis and hell | National Catholic Reporter



Hell isn't what you think it is.

 

[nota bene]

For the sake of argument, let’s say there is a Heaven and a Hell. Do you think there are different levels of Hell? How evil was the person/soul that ends up here? Just an unbeliever or a mass murderer; do they suffer the same fate?

Example 1)

” Religion convinced the world that there's an invisible man in the sky who watches everything you do. And there's 10 things he doesn't want you to do or else you'll go to a burning place with a lake of fire until the end of eternity. But he loves you! ...And he needs money! He's all powerful, but he can't handle money.” -George Carlin


Example 2)

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Do these two share the same fate?

Dante says no. Inferno (Dante) - Wikipedia

 

[Rexedgar]

Hell isn't what you think it is.

How does my question tell you what my vision of Hell is?

 

[Rexedgar]

With respect for where we are in the forums, the idea of "levels" of hell is literary in nature and not rooted in the various religious text with enough distinction to suggest so. The opposing views of what hell is seems to be of greater debate from that same text than this concept.

Skepticism/Beliefs/Theology, where is more appropriate? I don’t know where to go with the rest of your post:shrug:

 

[rickc]

You create your own heaven or hell here on earth

Everything else is a figment of human imagination

 

[OrphanSlug]

Skepticism/Beliefs/Theology, where is more appropriate? I don’t know where to go with the rest of your post:shrug:

Not what I meant, I can be respectful to the rules of this area of the forums and discuss this in theological terms.

 

[Daisy]

Nope, there's only one level...when your're dead, you're dead...period...non-existent...

 

[ataraxia]

For the sake of argument, let’s say there is a Heaven and a Hell. Do you think there are different levels of Hell? How evil was the person/soul that ends up here? Just an unbeliever or a mass murderer; do they suffer the same fate?

Example 1)

” Religion convinced the world that there's an invisible man in the sky who watches everything you do. And there's 10 things he doesn't want you to do or else you'll go to a burning place with a lake of fire until the end of eternity. But he loves you! ...And he needs money! He's all powerful, but he can't handle money.” -George Carlin


Example 2)

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Do these two share the same fate?

This is like asking if the Death Star exists, how many elevator shafts do you think it has.

I dunno. People make this stuff up, so it can have as many as you like. They are social constructs. Those interested in such topics are going to have to keep talking amongst themselves and come up with something they can all agree on.

 

[Daisy]

This is like asking if the Death Star exists, how many elevator shafts do you think it has.

I dunno. People make this stuff up, so it can have as many as you like. They are social constructs. Those interested in such topics are going to have to keep talking amongst themselves and come up with something they can all agree on.

The Bible says we all suffer the same fate...death...death pays the price for our sins, regardless of what they are or how bad they are...

“For he who has died has been acquitted from his sin.” Romans 6:7

"For the wages sin pays is death..." Romans 6:23

 

[TypicalRussian]

For the sake of argument, let’s say there is a Heaven and a Hell. Do you think there are different levels of Hell? How evil was the person/soul that ends up here? Just an unbeliever or a mass murderer; do they suffer the same fate?

Example 1)

” Religion convinced the world that there's an invisible man in the sky who watches everything you do. And there's 10 things he doesn't want you to do or else you'll go to a burning place with a lake of fire until the end of eternity. But he loves you! ...And he needs money! He's all powerful, but he can't handle money.” -George Carlin


Example 2)

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Do these two share the same fate?

george carlin is a great guy but he is wrong about religion

 

[2distracted]

For the sake of argument, let’s say there is a Heaven and a Hell. Do you think there are different levels of Hell? How evil was the person/soul that ends up here? Just an unbeliever or a mass murderer; do they suffer the same fate?

Example 1)

” Religion convinced the world that there's an invisible man in the sky who watches everything you do. And there's 10 things he doesn't want you to do or else you'll go to a burning place with a lake of fire until the end of eternity. But he loves you! ...And he needs money! He's all powerful, but he can't handle money.” -George Carlin


Example 2)

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Do these two share the same fate?

I hear Stalin came to see the error of his ways on his death bed...it happens

 

[2distracted]

You create your own heaven or hell here on earth

Everything else is a figment of human imagination

Not true

Evil people make the world hell for those who don't choose evil

 

[RAMOSS]

I hear Stalin came to see the error of his ways on his death bed...it happens

There are more stories than the are actual cases of that. Let's see you back that claim up.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

You create your own heaven or hell here on Earth.

Everything else is a figment of human imagination.

Heaven is perfect. Jesus lives there. In Heaven, there cannot be any evil or suffering. Creating your own heaven on Earth is impossible.

Hell is described in Revelation as "the lake of fire" and I have no idea what else to think it is.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

The Bible says we all suffer the same fate...death...death pays the price for our sins, regardless of what they are or how bad they are...

“For he who has died has been acquitted from his sin.” Romans 6:7

"For the wages sin pays is death . . ." Romans 6:23

This is it: For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. (NIV)

 

[Daisy]

This is it: For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. (NIV)

And you missed the whole point of my post...what is this thread about?

 

[it's just me]

This sounds like DP, the 5th circle of hell:

In the swampy, stinking waters of the river Styx – the Fifth Circle – the actively wrathful fight each other viciously on the surface of the slime, while the sullen (the passively wrathful) lie beneath the water, withdrawn, "into a black sulkiness which can find no joy in God or man or the universe". At the surface of the foul Stygian marsh, Dorothy L. Sayers writes, "the active hatreds rend and snarl at one another; at the bottom, the sullen hatreds lie gurgling, unable even to express themselves for the rage that chokes them". As the last circle of Incontinence, the "savage self-frustration" of the Fifth Circle marks the end of "that which had its tender and romantic beginnings in the dalliance of indulged passion".

 

[tosca1]

For the sake of argument, let’s say there is a Heaven and a Hell. Do you think there are different levels of Hell? How evil was the person/soul that ends up here? Just an unbeliever or a mass murderer; do they suffer the same fate?

Actually, there might be different levels of punishments.

Although the Bible does not specifically say there are different levels of punishment in hell, it does seem to indicate that the judgment will indeed be experienced differently for different people.
In Revelation 20:11–15, the people are judged “according to what they had done as recorded in the books” (Revelation 20:12). All the people at this judgment, though, are thrown into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:13–15). So, perhaps, the purpose of the judgment is to determine how severe the punishment in hell will be.

A clearer passage is Luke 10, where Jesus speaks of comparative punishment. First, Jesus says this about a village that rejects the gospel:
“I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom than for that town” (verse 12).
Then He speaks to Bethsaida and Chorazin: “It will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment than for you” (verse 14).
Whatever punishment the former residents of Sodom, Tyre, and Sidon were experiencing in hell, the Galilean towns that refused to hear Christ would experience more. The level of punishment in hell seems to be tied to the amount of light a person rejects.

Another indication that hell has different levels of punishment is found in Jesus’ words in Luke 12: “The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked” (verses 47–48).


Whatever degrees of punishment hell contains, it is clear that hell is a place to be avoided.

Are there different levels of punishment in hell? | GotQuestions.org

 

[tosca1]

The Bible says we all suffer the same fate...death...death pays the price for our sins, regardless of what they are or how bad they are...

“For he who has died has been acquitted from his sin.” Romans 6:7

:roll:

If you're only going to quote that part - it doesn't make any sense at all.
You've got to quote the whole thing!


Romans 6

Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ

6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?
2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?
3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father,
we too may live a new life.

5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his.
6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin—
7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.



Anyone who was baptized with Christ - those who accept Him - has died with Him, and been set free from sin!

JESUS DIED FOR OUR SINS!

He had to die for us............... because the wages of sin is death!

His death was the price He had to pay for our deliverance!

That's why He is referred to as the ...............ultimate SACRIFICIAL LAMB!




You see how well everything jives consistently well when we don't butcher the passages? :lol:
Different verses lend support to one another! Nothing contradicts!

"For the wages sin pays is death..." Romans 6:23

That sounds convoluted.....and it is incomplete. You shouldn't chop off verses. Here:


Romans 6
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.



Below is a lengthy explanation. I can only quote so much - you should read the whole article.

The Bible Verse in Context

First off, any verse in the Bible must be read in context, in the perspective of what is written around it. In this case, we are reading the words of Paul to the church in Rome, and in chapter 6 he is addressing the contrasts between sin and grace, death and life.

In this portion of Scripture, Paul is defining how when we find eternal life in Christ, we simultaneously become dead to sin. Just as Christ died and was resurrected, we have the hope of a future, resurrected, perfect state of life. Because of God’s great grace, our sins are covered, and we do not need live in sin any longer. This is our hope in Jesus, and this is the hope Paul proclaims to the church in Rome.


We were born in sin, and to be restored to what we were meant to be we have to be born again. We cannot fix ourselves, but in Christ
there is hope.



Paul says that the wage we deserve is death. It is only by God’s grace through the death and resurrection of Christ that we can hope for anything but death. Through Christ we are given a gift of eternal life. The only way to escape our sin is through Christ, and because it is a gift, it is incredibly simple to receive:

“If you declare with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9)..

What Does "the Wages of Sin Is Death" Mean in the Bible?

 

[Daisy]

:roll:

If you're only going to quote that part - it doesn't make any sense at all.
You've got to quote the whole thing!


Romans 6

Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ

6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?
2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?
3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father,
we too may live a new life.

5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his.
6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin—
7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.



Anyone who was baptized with Christ - those who accept Him - has died with Him, and been set free from sin!
JESUS DIED FOR OUR SINS!

He had to die for us............... because the wages of sin is death!

His death was the price He had to pay for our deliverance!

You can go off on your tangents all you like but that has nothing to do with the point of this thread...thus the reason I quoted only the relevant part of the scripture...the wages of sin brings death...death acquits/releases us of the wages of our sins...

 

[Conaeolos]

For the sake of argument, let’s say there is a Heaven and a Hell. Do you think there are different levels of Hell?

Of course.

How evil was the person/soul that ends up here?

What your soul experiences in this life, so will you be in the next. Except what was only "internal" here, shall be all there is there when you shed your vessel. For the vessel, itself does not exist in hell, but here. Just as that which you are has never leftand thus resigned to their fate.

Just an unbeliever or a mass murderer; do they suffer the same fate?

Your example no, but it is possible. What is the more radical notion, which is either could in fact 'end up' in heaven?
There are sins of the past and sins of the present. Salvation is available to any who accept it.

You may question the idea Joseph Stalin and/or Carlin was always in hell, but there is no doubt on either. Not only is it reflected in their words, action and thoughts, but there are way to know for those who seek it. If close you eyes, and contemplate, are you defined by the thoughts or actions...? You will only see within the jumbled mess one part which doesn't 'change' on a whim or with the passage of time. That observer so consistent in this life would be all that could be eternal, as it is all that ight rightful be call you, striped of this vessel, but it does experience things differently from one to the next. And it doesn't take much, to make connection as to why that might be?

 

[Cordelier]

For the sake of argument, let’s say there is a Heaven and a Hell. Do you think there are different levels of Hell? How evil was the person/soul that ends up here? Just an unbeliever or a mass murderer; do they suffer the same fate?

Example 1)

” Religion convinced the world that there's an invisible man in the sky who watches everything you do. And there's 10 things he doesn't want you to do or else you'll go to a burning place with a lake of fire until the end of eternity. But he loves you! ...And he needs money! He's all powerful, but he can't handle money.” -George Carlin


Example 2)

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Do these two share the same fate?

I think if there's an afterlife, what you experience there depends on what you take with you. It's almost like being an unconscious stroke victim - your existence is constructed from within your own mind.

 

[Rexedgar]

I think if there's an afterlife, what you experience there depends on what you take with you. It's almost like being an unconscious stroke victim - your existence is constructed from within your own mind.

I understand the words, but not sure what point you are making......I’m not convinced of an afterlife, but I am at the point where the finish line is more visible than the starting line....