Did Obama admin issue a “stand down” order on Russian meddling?

[hanger4]

This thread, the posters in this thread blaming Obama for not doing more to prevent Russian meddling to elect Donald Trump

Seems Isikoff and Corn have already made that argument.

 

[Sampson Simpson]

Those our both our original replies to "your" thread, and even to the same poster, early on ( your reply post #8, my #16 ). Similar in thrust, mine being just a bit more thorough...but it begs the question, are you implying you were off topic...or is it my post only that was off topic? :roll:

Look in the mirror, hell, look in " your " own thread, perhaps take the neccesary time to assure you have even a clue about what you are talking about. And if you want to try to be my nanny maybe do us a favor, consider changing your lean to lib progressive, eh? Conservatives posts, let me remind, arent generally lazy nor do they whine without cause, yano?

Oh, and dont forget to put more thought/effort into more preciesly framing your thread titles, you see where such slipshod draftmanship gets you. :lamo:lamo:lamo

PS why didnt you address my specific questions about, you know "Obama" not his "administration" nor the "first lady". in my last post, trying to derail the thread are we?

The person has not made one on topic argument. THe OP is a copy and paste of a link with no argument. Every response on the topic is a one or two line idiotic deflection. The person is just trolling, obviously

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

No, it doesn't. If Obama mentioned anything about this, you guys would throw a fit about him trying to meddle in the election. Of course, you are OK with Comey doing such as it helped Trump. And you have no problem with Russia medddling because it helped get Trump elected.

Republicans and the right would have thrown a hissy fit like you did for 8 years of Obama with all their bull**** if he mentioned the suspicion of Russia meddling prior tot he extensive evidence gathering we have now

Obama probably didn't want the sight of impropriety when he probably had more faith in America to not be complete forking idiots and elect Trump as well. Typical no responsibility conservatives, buy the nonsense propaganda and vote for a scum like Trump, then blame democrats and Obama for it. LOL

Yeah yeah yeah.

Slender do -nothing -much -of -consequence -man was responsible for resisting ANY meddling in our elections by anybody doing so illegaly. He never worried, while in office, what we on the right were saying, that is simply farcical. Your side was fine, at the time, with Comey attempting to rescue Hillary in preempting and his overreaching overruling the DOJ when not calling a grand jury that would have indicted the 700 ham sandwiches we know as Hillary early on, July if memory serves.

You have nothing on Russia attempting to help elect Trump except indirectly, Putin didnt want Hillary, no matter who else. Nobody sane did either. She and Obama had ithemselves nterferred in Poot's election, it became personal as well as in Russian, at that time, perceived national interest. Probably would rather Hillary now. I mean if anybody has the Uranium 1 goods on Hillary, meaning he could control her, it was the Poot man.

Extensive evidence gathering? Yes. Just zero proof of Trump Russia collusion, in any event which, collusion doesnt even rise to the level of a crime.

Slenderman thought, like 99.99089% of the world, that Hillary was an assured victory. Slenderman was seemingly scared and confirmably constantly outwitted/dominated by the Poot man.

You can blame Comey now? After she suffered her humiliating defeat, and after which we found out she rigged the DNC primaries ...maybe Bernie had the better shot, he "cudda been a contenda", not a bum...at least from the perspective of rose colored hindsight.

Too too late now, besides which, Hillary should minimum be on trial by now.

 

[sangha]

No cyber options were taken just Obama telling Putin to stop which obviously didn't happen.

You are minimizing what Obama did do.

The State Dept even started a program to counter the disinformation RT amd other Ruskies were disseminating, that too was stopped. The stand down order stands.

Your need to label it a stand down is nothing but propogandistic. His response can be critiqued reasonably, but some must be partisan about it I guess.

BTW, what did Obama not do that he should have done that Trump has also not done?

 

[Sampson Simpson]

Yeah yeah yeah.

Slender do -nothing -much -of -consequence -man was responsible for resisting ANY meddling in our elections by anybody doing so illegaly. He never worried, while in office, what we on the right were saying, that is simply farcical. Your side was fine, at the time, with Comey attempting to rescue Hillary in preempting and his overreaching overruling the DOJ when not calling a grand jury that would have indicted the 700 ham sandwiches we know as Hillary early on, July if memory serves.

You have nothing on Russia attempting to help elect Trump except indirectly, Putin didnt want Hillary, no matter who else. Nobody sane did either. She and Obama had ithemselves nterferred in Poot's election, it became personal as well as in Russian, at that time, perceived national interest. Probably would rather Hillary now. I mean if anybody has the Uranium 1 goods on Hillary, meaning he could control her, it was the Poot man.

Extensive evidence gathering? Yes. Just zero proof of Trump Russia collusion, in any event which, collusion doesnt even rise to the level of a crime.

Slenderman thought, like 99.99089% of the world, that Hillary was an assured victory. Slenderman was seemingly scared and confirmably constantly outwitted/dominated by the Poot man.

You can blame Comey now? After she suffered her humiliating defeat, and after which we found out she rigged the DNC primaries ...maybe Bernie had the better shot, he "cudda been a contenda", not a bum...at least from the perspective of rose colored hindsight.

Too too late now, besides which, Hillary should minimum be on trial by now.

WTF, now you claim Comey was on Hillary's side, yet 3 weeks before the election he sends that stupid memo that was a big nothing burger? What complete and utter BS. There was nothing that Hillary could be charged with. The entire thing was a complete farce, republicans continually throwing **** at the wall and hoping it would stick.

Comey is the one that played politics with his position, for Trump.

YOu really claiming zero evidence of tampering not that is coming out? Nothing charged against Hillary, yet she's guilty, the investigation is still ongoing and Mueller is getting closer and closer, with lots of witnesses, testimony, indictments and guilty please, there is nothing to see here LOL

LOL Sorry, no point in continuing to attempt to talk to someone so dishonest and childish.

 

[sangha]

You know what the NSA is doing ?? Do tell ??

Admiral Rogers has testified about what Trump has not done. You should look at his testimony

BTW, how do you know what the NSA has done?

 

[sangha]

I was just going by the article in the OP. August of 2016 was what I had heard and seen reported. But the article goes back further. So the question becomes do you or I believe Corn and Isikoff? Is it relevant to what is going on today? Why wasn't something done then? I think I know, but thinking you know and knowing for real is two different things.

Yes, 2016. I was responding to your comments about knowing what the Russians doing prior to 2016 without explaining that what was known before was far less concerning than what was discovered later.

As far as why something was not done then, I would ask, do something about what?

 

[sangha]

Your argument was based on an appeal to hypocrisy (Tu quoque) and ad-hom, not an argument at all. Maybe you should try debunking Isikoff's and Corn's words.

When he criticizes you for ignoring arguments, it is not a Tu quoque fallacy. In addition, he has a point as you are criticizing Obama for not taking certain, unspecified, actions without giving any consideration for the reasons given for why Obama did not take those actions.

Maybe you could tell us which actions you think Obama should have taken?

 

[Perotista]

Lets say Obama went public with the information

How would that have been received by the general public.

A significant number would believe it was a scam designed to get Hillary elected. The confidence in the electoral system would drop. If however Hillary was elected as was expected, the issue would have been seen as minor and likely not made public to a large degree

Options against Russia were limited. War was not an option cyber or otherwise. Shutting down advertising of a political nature during a campaign would again be seen as meddling in the election by a sitting president (a rather bad choice).

Overall in a country with free speech, a free press and open elections the choices left open were and are limited. In more oppressive countries the ability for countries to manipulate elections is still quite high, and counters generally include shutting down of instant messenger systems, blocking websites and arresting people. Arresting Russians in Russia would be rather hard

I pretty much agree and I had the same thought about the reason Obama didn't go public. I'm sure it would have been taken as the administration election meddling or worst, trying to rig the election.

Here's were we part company. Obama knew and I suppose quite a few others. I'm going to use the word if, If Obama and other administration officials along with some other agencies knew the Russians were trying to help Trump then, did nothing about it, why now? Why try to blame the Russians for Hillary's loss now?

Personally and I cited a bunch of reason why Hillary loss and most had to do with her and the way she ran her campaign along with other reasons. I don't think one can have it both ways which is what the Democrats are trying to do. Although I understand the reasons why Obama would keep it a secret. He still knew and let the Russians continue as if they weren't doing a darn thing. I think Obama and company thought Hillary was going to win regardless of what the Russians did or were doing. If I were Obama, I probably would have done the same thing. Why upset the apple cart when it looks like your candidate is going to win. In August and September it did look like Hillary would win and win easily.

You're probably right, that if Hillary won, we wouldn't be told about the Russian meddling. The bottom line for me is there is way too much blame to place on Hillary herself for her loss than anything the Russians did or might have done.

 

[Perotista]

Yes, 2016. I was responding to your comments about knowing what the Russians doing prior to 2016 without explaining that what was known before was far less concerning than what was discovered later.

As far as why something was not done then, I would ask, do something about what?

The Russian meddling of course.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

WTF, now you claim Comey was on Hillary's side, yet 3 weeks before the election he sends that stupid memo that was a big nothing burger? What complete and utter BS. There was nothing that Hillary could be charged with. The entire thing was a complete farce, republicans continually throwing **** at the wall and hoping it would stick.

Comey is the one that played politics with his position, for Trump.

YOu really claiming zero evidence of tampering not that is coming out? Nothing charged against Hillary, yet she's guilty, the investigation is still ongoing and Mueller is getting closer and closer, with lots of witnesses, testimony, indictments and guilty please, there is nothing to see here LOL

LOL Sorry, no point in continuing to attempt to talk to someone so dishonest and childish.

Comey had little choice...you see NYPD had arrested and taken into custody Huma's weiner exposing pedo husband, little tony weiner...

And, more particularly, his laptop. A laptop which held a treasure trove of Hillary illegal server emails, some of which are now on another unsecured device ( you can hardly hear this law breaking amongst the crescendo, tho ) in which Hillary was, herself, thankfully with clothes, exposed. Comey couldnt keep it in house under federal wraps like he did at the FBI and DOJ. His lies were dangling out there like Weiners member, any slight kick by any investigator at NYPD, being that exposed himself, would have hurt bad, been potentially career ending for Comey.

Besides, he only to wait out the election to have everything back under federal control under a, shudder to even think it, President oh my god no Hillary.

That Comey was on Trumps team just does in no way comport with any facts...why, if he were on team T, would he immediately start trying to submarine the president? Why would, after all the low jinxs he saw with Hillary, Obama, Lynch ( bad karmic tarmac meeting, call the criminal investigation of Hillary a "matter" ) and Holder (fast and furious, contempt of congress) Comey only keep journals about bad bad Trump man, then conspire with his buddy to illegal leak information trying, successfully, to get a special counsel against the sitting president?

Except for to those having little logic, it makes no sense. Not to the rest of us out here, attentive.

 

[VanceMack]

Admiral Rogers has testified about what Trump has not done. You should look at his testimony

BTW, how do you know what the NSA has done?

Did Admiral Rogers testify that Trump told him to stand down or to not do his job in any way shape or form? In fact...didnt Admiral Rogers ONLY testify that he hadnt been given any authority EXCEEDING his mission parameters? Ad is that something you think the president can/should be doing?

:lamo

Its ****ing hilarious watching people try to get mileage out of a brief testimony of a man literally giving testimony before a congressional committee that he had the power and authority to do his job.

 

[GDViking]

Black Jesus is perfect. Those of you who say anything negative about Black Jesus are racists, regardless of whether there is any truth in the allegations. Which there aren't any, because Black Jesus is perfect.

You do know that because of the demographics of the region if Jesus did actually exist there is a better than average chance that he was Indeed black right?

 

[sangha]

The Russian meddling of course.

What Russian meddling?

There has been so much meddling, you will have to be more specific for me to answer that question

 

[hanger4]

You are minimizing what Obama did do.


Your need to label it a stand down is nothing but propogandistic. His response can be critiqued reasonably, but some must be partisan about it I guess.

BTW, what did Obama not do that he should have done that Trump has also not done?

I didn't label it, Isikoff and Corn did. Maybe the hotair link I supplied was the the reason you didn't read it. Here's the headline and link to the MotherJones story;

“Why the Hell Are We Standing Down?”

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/03/why-the-hell-are-we-standing-down/

 

[hanger4]

Admiral Rogers has testified about what Trump has not done. You should look at his testimony

BTW, how do you know what the NSA has done?

Actually Admiral Rogers testified to what he hasn't do. Why do you think he needs permission to do his job ??

 

[yankintx]

My guess is that everyone banked on Hillary's winning the WH, and none of this would have come to light. Whatever Trump is, I am glad the dirty laundry gets exposed. It is about time.

Yup, and the same statement can be applied to the Trump family crime syndicate.

 

[sangha]

I didn't label it, Isikoff and Corn did.

I dont care if it was Jesus Christ himself who wrote it. I think for myself.

Maybe the hotair link I supplied was the the reason you didn't read it. Here's the headline and link to the MotherJones story;

“Why the Hell Are We Standing Down?”

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/03/why-the-hell-are-we-standing-down/

I read the article. Did you?

I ask because your re-telling of the story seems to have left out many pieces and I do not think it is merely coincidental that the missing pieces are the ones that do not support your partisan spin

For example, something you have left out is any sort of argument as to what you think Obama should have done and any comment about Trumps failure to take those same actions. Are you prepared to say that Trump has issued a stand down order? Or at least, a stay down order?

You have also given no consideration to the reasons for why Obama chose to only pursue some actions while not pursuing others.

Should you choose in the future to discuss what should or should be done, as opposed to looking for petty partisan labelling of non-existent stand down orders, I would be happy to discuss it with you. Until then, I will continue to point out how petty and partisan your comments are

 

[sangha]

Actually Admiral Rogers testified to what he hasn't do. Why do you think he needs permission to do his job ??

Actually, Rogers testified that he did not have the authority to take a number of actions.

Does Rogers have the authority to take actions which would stop the russian attacks at their source?

Does he have the authority to plant cyber-weapons on russian computers? Does he have the authority to activate those weapons?

 

[hanger4]

When he criticizes you for ignoring arguments, it is not a Tu quoque fallacy. In addition, he has a point as you are criticizing Obama for not taking certain, unspecified, actions without giving any consideration for the reasons given for why Obama did not take those actions.

Maybe you could tell us which actions you think Obama should have taken?

I'm not criticizing Obama, Isikoff and Corn are.

 

[Perotista]

What Russian meddling?

There has been so much meddling, you will have to be more specific for me to answer that question

To get specifics one has to wait on the Mueller report or for those who were in the Obama administration to come out and report on what meddling took place. So far I've heard facebook ads. What else, I don't know. Was the hacks into the DNC the Russians or was it wiki leaks or this other guy? Again I don't know. I don't think anyone else does either, at least for certain and those who do aren't talking because of an ongoing investigation.

so forget it.

 

[sangha]

I'm not criticizing Obama, Isikoff and Corn are.

So you have no opinion of the issue?

It is cowardly to call for a discussion and then refuse to take part in it.

And dishonest to pretend your intent is not to criticize Obama. Your insistence that there was a stand down order, when there was none, is ample proof of that

 

[sangha]

To get specifics one has to wait on the Mueller report or for those who were in the Obama administration to come out and report on what meddling took place. So far I've heard facebook ads. What else, I don't know. Was the hacks into the DNC the Russians or was it wiki leaks or this other guy? Again I don't know. I don't think anyone else does either, at least for certain and those who do aren't talking because of an ongoing investigation.

so forget it.

Huh?

You want me to tell you why Obama did not respond to certain russian actions but you cant tell me what those actions were?

How can you expect me to tell you how someone should have reacted if you cant tell me what they are reacting to?

You asked

Why wasn't something done then?

I am just trying to figure out what you are specifically asking about

 

[Perotista]

Huh?

You want me to tell you why Obama did not respond to certain russian actions but you cant tell me what those actions were?

How can you expect me to tell you how someone should have reacted if you cant tell me what they are reacting to?

You asked


I am just trying to figure out what you are specifically asking about

This is what I was asking about:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/hotair....-meddling/amp/

The thing this thread is about. I know, that is hard to understand. But it seems kind of irrelevant now. I think I know why and I will just stick with that.

 

[sangha]

This is what I was asking about:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/hotair....-meddling/amp/

The thing this thread is about. I know, that is hard to understand. But it seems kind of irrelevant now. I think I know why and I will just stick which that.

Again, there is quite a lot of detail in there. I do not know why you are getting so upset over a simple request to clarify what you are asking about. The amount of time you have spent avoiding this is now considerably greater than the time it would have taken you to answer my simple question.

And if you are asking why Obama did not do anything about all of it, the answer is

Obama did do something about all of it. The article you just linked to goes into that in detail....you know detail, right? It is the thing you have spent several posts avoiding going into