Did any have the cojones?

[Rogue Valley]

No one considers Trumps unilateral (he didn't consult with anyone except Erdogan, Sen. Rand Paul, and perhaps Pompeo) withdrawal of US blocking forces in Syria more of a betrayal than I do.

Military members of my family have fought with the Kurds in Syria.

That said, I'm curious. We have this extortion/blackmail threat by Erdogan....

Turkey's Erdogan threatens to send 'millions' of refugees to Europe if EU calls Syria offensive 'invasion'

Yesterday the UN Security Council took up Erdogan's invasion of the Kurds. Trump and Putin vetoed a SC condemnation resolution. (Let that sink in).

I know Norway has now ended weapons sales to Turkey, but I'm curious if Brussels or any European nations actually had the balls to publicly call Erdogan's ethnic-cleansing operation an invasion?

Citations if you have them.

 

[Drawdown]

No one considers Trumps unilateral (he didn't consult with anyone except Erdogan, Sen. Rand Paul, and perhaps Pompeo) withdrawal of US blocking forces in Syria more of a betrayal than I do.

Military members of my family have fought with the Kurds in Syria.

That said, I'm curious. We have this extortion/blackmail threat by Erdogan....

Turkey's Erdogan threatens to send 'millions' of refugees to Europe if EU calls Syria offensive 'invasion'

Yesterday the UN Security Council took up Erdogan's invasion of the Kurds. Trump and Putin vetoed a SC condemnation resolution. (Let that sink in).

I know Norway has now ended weapons sales to Turkey, but I'm curious if Brussels or any European nations actually had the balls to publicly call Erdogan's ethnic-cleansing operation an invasion?

Citations if you have them.

Then the military members of your family fought alongside terrorists. In the mean time, the 3.6 million refugees would like to go home.

 

[Mycroft]

No one considers Trumps unilateral (he didn't consult with anyone except Erdogan, Sen. Rand Paul, and perhaps Pompeo) withdrawal of US blocking forces in Syria more of a betrayal than I do.

Military members of my family have fought with the Kurds in Syria.

That said, I'm curious. We have this extortion/blackmail threat by Erdogan....

Turkey's Erdogan threatens to send 'millions' of refugees to Europe if EU calls Syria offensive 'invasion'

Yesterday the UN Security Council took up Erdogan's invasion of the Kurds. Trump and Putin vetoed a SC condemnation resolution. (Let that sink in).

I know Norway has now ended weapons sales to Turkey, but I'm curious if Brussels or any European nations actually had the balls to publicly call Erdogan's ethnic-cleansing operation an invasion?

Citations if you have them.

I applaud Trump's actions. He has effectively shifted ALL of the issues of the region away from the US. Whatever Turkey, Syria, Russia, the EU, end up doing will be their decisions...and they will be responsible for the consequences.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

~ and they will be responsible for the consequences.

So why did the US and Russia veto the security council statement on the situation if it's up those in the ME?

Then the military members of your family fought alongside terrorists ~

That's a completely retarded statement. The US funded and armed Kurds to fight IS, the Kurds helped defeat them and have been holding IS captives for us.

 

[Chagos]

Then the military members of your family fought alongside terrorists. In the mean time, the 3.6 million refugees would like to go home.

YOU

KNOW

NOTHING

As to other readers (if not already in the know anyway): the Syrian refugees in Turkey are to their greater extent not even from the region in question.

Refugees from that region that did return home, could do so on account of the Kurds having defeated the IS forces that put those refugees to flight in the first place.

 

[Mycroft]

So why did the US and Russia veto the security council statement on the situation if it's up those in the ME?

I don't know anything about the statement, when the vote was taken or who voted, so I can't answer your question.

Perhaps you have a link or two about it?

 

[Chagos]

No one considers Trumps unilateral (he didn't consult with anyone except Erdogan, Sen. Rand Paul, and perhaps Pompeo) withdrawal of US blocking forces in Syria more of a betrayal than I do.

Military members of my family have fought with the Kurds in Syria.

That said, I'm curious. We have this extortion/blackmail threat by Erdogan....

Turkey's Erdogan threatens to send 'millions' of refugees to Europe if EU calls Syria offensive 'invasion'

Yesterday the UN Security Council took up Erdogan's invasion of the Kurds. Trump and Putin vetoed a SC condemnation resolution. (Let that sink in).

I know Norway has now ended weapons sales to Turkey, but I'm curious if Brussels or any European nations actually had the balls to publicly call Erdogan's ethnic-cleansing operation an invasion?

Citations if you have them.

No citation as yet but I merely heard on the news that France's Macron is royally pissed off over this invasion and it'll no doubt find address in the coming summit.

Outdated by now but nevertheless the EU had already prepared a warning against this intervention, to be delivered to Turkey on Wednesday.

But Hungary blocked it with a veto, giving no further reasons (by EU statutes one member state can do that). But it would be obsolete by now anyhow, seeing how the invasion has taken place.

As to Erdogan's threat, nobody's impressed. Everybody knows he's playing to the home gallery as he has done before. And he knows that he stands to lose economically if he crashes the currently running deal over migration (with 2.4 billion euros of the agreed 6 billion euros having been paid to him, the balance of 3.6 billion would be at risk).

One should see in this whole context that the Sultan is playing domestic policy by going foreign. Having lost both support and popularity at home, he's using the Kurdish question to rally support once again. And the appeal to national pride works with most Turks.

But his venture into Rojava is as risky, economically, as Putin's Donbas adventure. Apart from his proclaimed aim looking to be unachievable, the costs will come back to bite him and a nation already severely bitten.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

I don't know anything about the statement, when the vote was taken or who voted, so I can't answer your question.

Perhaps you have a link or two about it?

That's a particularly stupid comment. The security council was not able to agree a statement as it was clear the US and Russia would block it.

That's what "vetoing any statement" means - you prevent a statement being agreed.

 

[Mycroft]

That's a particularly stupid comment. The security council was not able to agree a statement as it was clear the US and Russia would block it.

That's what "vetoing any statement" means - you prevent a statement being agreed.

So...no link.

Moving on...

 

[Rogue Valley]

Then the military members of your family fought alongside terrorists.

Trump ordered them to do so. Now what is your lame excuse?

 

[Rogue Valley]

So...no link.

Moving on...

You obviously have no working knowledge of how the UNSC functions.

Looking on the bright side though, you are consistent.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

So...no link.

Moving on...

Anytime you'd like help with understanding complex issues, just ask.

 

[Mycroft]

Anytime you'd like help with understanding complex issues, just ask.

I already did. You don't have it.

You are dismissed. (see my sig)

 

[Infinite Chaos]

I love a good flounce and you just are the best at it on this forum.

 

[Chagos]

I love a good flounce and you just are the best at it on this forum.

:mrgreen:

 

[Chagos]

What is apparent (to answer the original OP question) is that cojones are clearly in short supply everywhere.

While the EU today has decided an arms embargo on Turkey (unanimously), not much else it can do besides imposing further economic sanctions. The latter finding no overall consensus.

IOW even an abundance of cojones amounts to little when "the willy" is kind of meager.

 

[Chagos]

What is apparent (to answer the original OP question) is that cojones are clearly in short supply everywhere.

While the EU today has decided an arms embargo on Turkey (unanimously), not much else it can do besides imposing further economic sanctions. The latter finding no overall consensus.

IOW even an abundance of cojones amounts to little when "the willy" is kind of meager.

I have to correct my previous post.

No arms embargo declared, just current arms deliveries to be suspended.

The prospect of Edogan flooding the EU with millions of refugees has clearly made for cojones-shrinkage.

 

[Rogue Valley]

I have to correct my previous post.

No arms embargo declared, just current arms deliveries to be suspended.

The prospect of Edogan flooding the EU with millions of refugees has clearly made for cojones-shrinkage.

I still don't fully understand why this beast is still in NATO.

 

[Chagos]

I still don't fully understand why this beast is still in NATO.

Seems that the rest is banking on the hope that one day the Sultan will be gone and NATO will once again comprise democratically run states.

Height of hypocrisy of course, seeing how neither the military dictatorship of the past made for enough worry in that respect, not did the invasion of Cyprus happening long before the Sultan's times.

Not to mention Greece's Colonels' junta.

While everybody is meanwhile getting indignant over the recent demonstrations of fascism by some Bulgarian NONE-football hools (notably NOT the players) and demanding the whole country be expelled from the championship to come, I've yet to hear demands for expelling the whole Turkish team that disgraced by now two pitches with salutes to the Sultan and support of the invasion.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Seems that the rest is banking on the hope that one day the Sultan will be gone and NATO will once again comprise democratically run states.

Height of hypocrisy of course, seeing how neither the military dictatorship of the past made for enough worry in that respect, not did the invasion of Cyprus happening long before the Sultan's times.

Not to mention Greece's Colonels' junta.

While everybody is meanwhile getting indignant over the recent demonstrations of fascism by some Bulgarian NONE-football hools (notably NOT the players) and demanding the whole country be expelled from the championship to come, I've yet to hear demands for expelling the whole Turkish team that disgraced by now two pitches with salutes to the Sultan and support of the invasion.

Erdogan seems to be tweaking NATO's nose now.

Invading a neighboring state to ethnically-cleanse the population and buying advanced weapons systems from the Russian Federation that are not NATO compliant.

More journalists are locked up in Turkey than anywhere else on the globe. Erdogan is spending more and more time in Moscow.

He's gone already. The NATO states are perhaps just too embarrassed to admit this truth.

 

[Chagos]

Erdogan seems to be tweaking NATO's nose now.

Invading a neighboring state to ethnically-cleanse the population and buying advanced weapons systems from the Russian Federation that are not NATO compliant.

More journalists are locked up in Turkey than anywhere else on the globe. Erdogan is spending more and more time in Moscow.

He's gone already. The NATO states are perhaps just too embarrassed to admit this truth.

I saw some footage of the foreign minister demanding that NATO stand in solidarity with the Sultan. Next thing he'll be selling a Kurdish mortar blast at that town on the Turkish side to constitute an attack and then he'll invoke Article 5.:roll:

 

[Rogue Valley]

I saw some footage of the foreign minister demanding that NATO stand in solidarity with the Sultan. Next thing he'll be selling a Kurdish mortar blast at that town on the Turkish side to constitute an attack and then he'll invoke Article 5.:roll:

The Syrians are already in Manbij and Kobane. I'm tired of Erdogan and Turkey.