Dept. of Education: Conn.'s Transgender sports inclusion violates others’ rights

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HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) — Connecticut’s policy allowing transgender girls to compete as girls in high school sports violates the civil rights of athletes who have always identified as female, the U.S. Education Department has determined in a decision that could force the state to change course to keep federal funding and influence others to do the same.

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The office said in the 45-page letter that it may seek to withhold federal funding over the policy, which allows athletes to participate under the gender with which they identify. The policy is a violation of Title IX, the federal civil rights law that guarantees equal education opportunities for women, including in athletics, the office said.

It has "denied female student-athletes athletic benefits and opportunities, including advancing to the finals in events, higher level competitions, awards, medals, recognition, and the possibility of greater visibility to colleges and other benefits," according to the letter, which is dated May 15.

US: Transgender sports inclusion violates others' rights | Boston.com

This is a good start! Time to put a stop to this CHEATING.

 

[lemmiwinx]

Girls will be boys and boys will be girls
It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world, except for Lola

L-O-L-A, Lola
La-la-la-la Lola

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[Lisa]

This is a good start! Time to put a stop to this CHEATING.

1.) Trans women are not cheating, unless you can prove that they are not transgendered and have the proper hormone profile.

2. ) Now trans guys, who were born female, will be required to compete with CIS females. Do you think that will be more fair? Did you forget that those guys exist?

 

[Ignatius]

This is a good start! Time to put a stop to this CHEATING.

Why? Isn't this the leftist utopian world these people wanted? I thought males and females were equal? I thought those were just social constructs. If the people who have always identified as females cant compete then too bad. Get stronger. Get faster.

I love when one leftist mumbo jumbo idiocy cannibalizes another mumbo jumbo leftist idiocy. Here people have to choose between womans issues and trannie issues. Its the same with windmills killing all the birds. The stupidity is astounding

 

[CLAX1911]

1.) Trans women are not cheating, unless you can prove that they are not transgendered and have the proper hormone profile.

Yes they are, they are male.

2. ) Now trans guys, who were born female, will be required to compete with CIS females. Do you think that will be more fair? Did you forget that those guys exist?

Not if they take testosterone that is a performance enhancing drug. This is cheating.

 

[Lisa]

Not if they take testosterone that is a performance enhancing drug. This is cheating.

Don't be absurd.

That testosterone is part of their transition treatment as trans guys.

 

[CLAX1911]

Don't be absurd.

I'm not, you are. You are the one saying boys can compete in girls sports.

That testosterone is part of their transition treatment as trans guys.

It's also a performance enhancing drug.

 

[Lisa]

I'm not, you are. You are the one saying boys can compete in girls sports.

It's also a performance-enhancing drug.

It is a PED when it is in a dose that is out of range for that biological gender.

Those transgendered boys were born female. So if trans girls were born male and cannot compete as females then trans boys in your world are still female and must compete with females, despite the fact that they take testosterone to transition. Their diose of testosterone is equal to that of what is in your body. Either you admit that transguys are male and compete with males and trans girls are female and should compete with other females.

 

[CLAX1911]

It is a PED when it is in a dose that is out of range for that biological gender.

And you are competing with females

Those transgendered boys were born female. So if trans girls were born male and cannot compete as females then trans boys in your world are still female and must compete with females, despite the fact that they take testosterone to transition. Their diose of testosterone is equal to that of what is in your body. Either you admit that transguys are male and compete with males and trans girls are female and should compete with other females.

Male shouldn't compete with females I don't care how they identify. And females who are taking testosterone should not compete with females I don't care how they identify.

 

[Lisa]

And you are competing with females

Male shouldn't compete with females I don't care how they identify. And females who are taking testosterone should not compete with females I don't care how they identify.

You are being intellectually dishonest in the way that you commonly do or maybe you are just ignorant of transgendered care. Either they compete identifying with their psychological gender identity or they compete in leagues organized by their DNA. You cannot force them to transition as a mandate to play in sports.

Those transgender guys are female and the testosterone is medically prescribed as part of their transition, just as estrogen is prescribed for the transgendered girls. The trans guys are not using it as a PED because it is prescribed because their body doesn't produce it in the same way that (I assume ) that ours does due to the fact that trans gender guys lack testes and in a dose that mimics the typically male level os testosterone.

Either transgendered (MtF) females compete with CIS females or transgdered guys (FtM)are required to compete with females. You cannot write them away or deny them the ability to compete with their peers. That idea was tried in the past with black people in competition and the courts ruled that separate but equal and "black only" leagues were unconstitutional.

You cannot relabel a transgendered guy a female and then force them to stop taking the medially necessary medication.

 

[CLAX1911]

You are being intellectually dishonest in the way that you commonly do or maybe you are just ignorant of transgendered care.

you're gaslighting in the way that people commonly do in order to convince themselves that they are being intellectual.

You're not you're just lying to yourself.

Either they compete identifying with their psychological gender identity or they compete in leagues organized by their DNA. You cannot force them to transition as a mandate to play in sports.

as long as they're not injecting drugs that gives them a physical advantage sure. If it's so important to take testosterone then it's more important than wrestling.

Those transgender guys are female and the testosterone is medically prescribed as part of their transition, just as estrogen is prescribed for the transgendered girls. The trans guys are not using it as a PED because it is prescribed because their body doesn't produce it in the same way that (I assume ) that ours does due to the fact that trans gender guys lack testes and in a dose that mimics the typically male level os testosterone.

I don't care if it enhances your performance its performance enhancement.

Either transgendered (MtF) females compete with CIS females or transgdered guys (FtM)are required to compete with females. You cannot write them away or deny them the ability to compete with their peers. That idea was tried in the past with black people in competition and the courts ruled that separate but equal and "black only" leagues were unconstitutional.

I don't recognize your authority to give ultimatums.

You cannot relabel a transgendered guy a female and then force them to stop taking the medially necessary medication.

It's a biological fact that such a person is female. If you disagree than reality is bigotry.

 

[ProgressPlease]

Just wanting to interject the fact that these trans athletes in CT have not undergone any medical transition and have in fact gone through a male puberty.

 

[gino]

Just wanting to interject the fact that these trans athletes in CT have not undergone any medical transition and have in fact gone through a male puberty.

This is why I don't support the trans community. They KNOW what you said is correct and they KNOW that those guys competing against girls is cheating, but they don't care. You'll notice that LISA never addresses that issue. Hell, I could care less what a trans person does, but the trans community don't care if they trample all over the rights of these school-age girls.

 

[Lisa]

Just wanting to interject the fact that these trans athletes in CT have not undergone any medical transition and have in fact gone through a male puberty.

If they are taking hormones then they have undergone medical transition. They may not have had gender confirmation surgery but that is seldom permitted under the age of 18.

 

[lwf]

This is a good start! Time to put a stop to this CHEATING.

Hardly. If the age is the same, it's no more cheating than if a large and strong female competes with petite females.

IMO, the ability to participate in a physical competition should be decided by weight class like wrestling. A 200lb highschooler is a 200lb highschooler regardless of what they have between their legs. Let them compete with the other heavyweights and let the petite boys and girls of similar weights compete together.

 

[Lisa]

This is why I don't support the trans community. They KNOW what you said is correct and they KNOW that those guys competing against girls is cheating, but they don't care. You'll notice that LISA never addresses that issue. Hell, I could care less what a trans person does, but the trans community don't care if they trample all over the rights of these school-age girls.

Am I correct that you are saying that only trans people who started hormones before the age of 12, which is not done, should be able to participate in high school sports. Hormones aren't started before the age of 13-14 and they are proceeded by hormone blockers.

There are numerous problems and sometimes their family's religious beliefs or costs prohibit them from starting earlier, so you also want to punish them for having a family who are intolerant pricks or for being poor without access to expensive medical care that is covered by insurance. Transgendered people do not seek to cheat, despite your conservative persecution complex.

Do you also want to have "whites-only" sports teams, so they don't have to compete against other races, or is that too obvious for you?

In his book, Entine connects legitimate scientific findings, which show that some physical differences exist between black and white people, to black athletes’ increasing dominance in certain sports. The book plows new ground and goes far beyond Snyder’s tipsy sound bites.

Entine contends that athletes who trace their ancestry to West Africa (which includes most African-Americans) are exceptionally fast and can jump high. In short, that’s because of greater muscle mass and a greater percentage of power-enhancing fast-twitch fibers, a higher center of gravity and more anaerobic enzymes.

Another population, the East African descendants who dominate distance running, have larger lung capacities, more endurance-enhancing slow-twitch muscle fibers, a typically slighter body profile and the ability to process oxygen more efficiently. Whites, according to the scientists Entine quotes, fall physically between East and West Africans.

Entine is careful to stress that he’s talking about trends among groups of very elite athletes; among this small population, he argues, differences that could give a fraction-of-a-second advantage to people of African ancestry can make the difference between an Olympic medal and fourth place. Michigan State University anthropologist Robert Malina agrees.

"Differences among athletes of elite caliber are so small that if you have an advantage that might be genetically based, it might be very, very significant," he says.

 

[gino]

Do you also want to have "whites-only" sports teams, so they don't have to compete against other races, or is that too obvious for you?

Typical. You are losing the argument so you call me a racist.

 

[dixon01767]

Do you also want to have "whites-only" sports teams, so they don't have to compete against other races, or is that too obvious for you?

Says the girl who insists upon separate womens sports. Its the 21st century. Women should compete among the men if they want to participate. Equal means equal.

 

[Lisa]

Typical. You are losing the argument so you call me a racist.

You are making the same arguments that they did, or wasn't I supposed to notice that fact?

 

[gino]

IMO, the ability to participate in a physical competition should be decided by weight class like wrestling. A 200lb highschooler is a 200lb highschooler regardless of what they have between their legs. Let them compete with the other heavyweights and let the petite boys and girls of similar weights compete together.

As a former middle and high school wrestling coach, I have to disagree. I had four girls come out for a wrestling club I had in a middle school. The girls could actually compete with the guys. When these same girls got to high school, they came out for our high school team. By then, testosterone was in full swing with the guys. These girls just couldn't compete any longer. Same girls, same guys.

 

[gino]

Lisa, why don't you just admit when you are wrong? Calling someone racist and being wrong is despicable. And it is debating on a second grade level.

I get to disagree with you without being a racist!

 

[ProgressPlease]

If they are taking hormones then they have undergone medical transition. They may not have had gender confirmation surgery but that is seldom permitted under the age of 18.

Medical transition includes hormones and/or surgical procedures.
As I stated, these young athletes have not taken cross sex hormones.

 

[Lisa]

Medical transition includes hormones and/or surgical procedures.
As I stated, these young athletes have not taken cross sex hormones.

They have to have taken hormones for more than 6 months and have the stable hormonal profile of the gender that they are identified. Surgery isn't permitted before the age of 18.

These states require a medical intervention much like the NCAA, which requires a 1 year wait period in which hormone intervention is required for the participation for male to female transgender student athletes.

 

[Lisa]

Lisa, why don't you just admit when you are wrong? Calling someone racist and being wrong is despicable. And it is debating on a second grade level.

I get to disagree with you without being a racist!

I am not wrong. You want to punish these kids for being transgendered and it is also very obvious that you have a problem with transgendered people in general.

 

[CLAX1911]

I am not wrong. You want to punish these kids for being transgendered and it is also very obvious that you have a problem with transgendered people in general.

I really doubt that's the motivation. Girls Athletics were separated from boys because females have different abilities. Allowing males to join and compete against females ignores this. allowing females to compete with other females while taking testosterone ignores this.

The results will always be the same. You are creating a transgender league it's just whether or not women and girls get to have one of their own.

I don't want to punish transgender people but their well-being shouldn't be placed above girls and women.

Just like you wouldn't allow at perfectly able bodied human being to compete in the special Olympics because the special Olympics is for handicapped people.