Democrats ... you support Antifa and BLM violence (speak now or forever hold your peace)

[Robertinfremont]

Found this in the Washington Examiner expose of who is Black lives matter


Fact is, "black lives matter" is a matter of common decency entirely separate from the activist, ideological, left-wing agenda of the BLM group. That organization has stated aims that go far beyond addressing police brutality. Its goals include, without apology, the upending of American society. Yet it has gained massively more attention, support, and money since the death of George Floyd, an unarmed black man, in Minneapolis police custody. It is therefore important that the public, much of which thinks that by supporting BLM, they are backing obviously decent and humane reforms, knows enough to make the distinction between the idea and the ideologues hijacking it.

The co-founders of Black Lives Matter are avowed Marxists. At least one names a convicted cop killer among her heroes. A key mentor in building and shaping the group is a two-time vice presidential candidate for the Communist Party USA. The national organization is financially supported through a leftist group whose board of directors includes a convicted terrorist. A 2017 report from Black Lives Matter describes its founders, Alicia Garza, Patrisse Khan-Cullors, and Opal Tometi, as “three radical Black organizers.” The women espouse Marxism and openly push radical identity politics.

Who Is Black Lives Matter?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Your opinion does not exist.

Well it clearly does and you’re clearly not someone who is able to make an argument

 

[Yakshi]

It simply doesn't. Such opinions are pure fiction. They don't exist.

 

[Robertinfremont]

I denounce Antifa and also fascists, including our fascist president. I also denounce Neo-Nazis, so I'm glad we have that in common.

Thanks but Trump is not a fascist. Not by a long shot.

 

[Yakshi]

I denounce Donald Trump, who is a fascist. I also denounce all supporters of Donald Trump, the fascist, who dishonestly try to muddy the waters concerning Donald Trump's fascism by claiming that random non-fascists are fascists on Internet forums.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Huh. Guess you should have read the post immediately before yours. TDS is not a thing. :mrgreen:

TDS is as real as your nose is.

2017 Women's March - Wikipedia

Protests against Donald Trump - Wikipedia

Timeline of protests against Trump

Timeline of protests against Donald Trump - Wikipedia

They go on and on and on from prior to him being sworn into office.

TDS is real. It is a mental disease


It is written up by Wikipedia

Trump derangement syndrome - Wikipedia.

 

[Robertinfremont]

I denounce Donald Trump, who is a fascist. I also denounce all supporters of Donald Trump, the fascist, who dishonestly try to muddy the waters concerning Donald Trump's fascism by claiming that random non-fascists are fascists on Internet forums.

And that is why you truly are not liberal.

You are an authoritarian.

 

[Robertinfremont]

It is a fact that no opinions which state that systemic racism does not exist themselves exist.

It's in the books. Let me know when you book up. When you finally do, you will understand that systemic racism exists. At that point, you will be doling out apologies like Poptarts. If you want those apologies to be accepted, you would be wise to dole out actual Poptarts as well.

I prefer strawberry.

Blast FDR for us to prove your intentions.

 

[Robertinfremont]

You can look it up yourself. I support BLM because I acknowledge and experience systemic racism every day. BLM is neither dangerous nor violent, but I certainly understand why you and people like you want to characterize it that way.

It is a Marxist group driven to cause blacks to go crazy with hate.

Where they exist, violence is there .

 

[Robertinfremont]

They are literally lying.

There is no fascists in the US to be “anti” in the first place

I have yet to see a Fascist party in this country. Back when FDR was president, some of his avid followers were Fascists. But the hanging of Mussolini sort of tamped that fire down.

 

[Yakshi]

I guess if I supported a fascist like Donald Trump, instead of manning up and admitting it to myself, which would be awfully difficult if I had no moral character, I'd probably waste the rest of my life coming to Internet forums and whining how it really isn't true--because honestly, at that point, what would my life be worth?

Lucky for me I'm not in that situation.

 

[Chuck9788]

I guess if I supported a fascist like Donald Trump, .

You've been called out multiple times here on this forum to explain "in specific detail" how President Trump is a fascist.

 

[Yakshi]

If I supported a fascist like Donald Trump, I would create complete falsehoods and then pretend that they were true, like saying that I have been requested numerous times to provide details for my claims.

In fact, I would do everything possible to distract from Donald Trump's fascism, because I would completely hate myself for selling out my entire moral code for a fat, New York millionaire who would sue me for damaging his bumper if he ran me down crossing the street.

 

[poweRob]

Actually we’re calling out those who actually support literal fascism

No one has ever seen you call out all the right wing fascist in here or anywhere else.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

No one has ever seen you call out all the right wing fascist in here or anywhere else.

Because there is no fascist political force extant in America

 

[poweRob]

Because there is no fascist political force extant in America

Except the GOP and their supporters that is.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Except the GOP and their supporters that is.

Well this proves my civil war hypothesis. Because if you believe a mainstream center party in the country is literally a fascist one then the Antifa violence is justified and eventually there will be a mass violent reaction.

 

[apdst]

BLM is not a communist movement.

That's an incorrect statement...

BLM co-founder describes herself as 'trained Marxist'

 

[Diesel]

Seriously? Tell me, why is it so difficult for a Democrat to criticize ANTIFA in any way? One Democrat leader has denied that ANTIFA even exists and calls the acts violence they commit a myth.


Also, how did this incident reflect poorly on Cruz? Cruz was the adult in the room. Hirono's conduct was inexplicable.

She did. She said she denounces all violent extremists and then walked out of a meeting that had already lasted two hours after Cruz gave a 15-minute speech.

 

[Diesel]

Reformed OR removed? Black Lives Matter calls for the removal of our police departments nation wide.

What "specifically" needs to be reformed in our justice system?

Your recycled and inaccurate spin doesn't work on me. BLM doesn't want to eliminate policing any more than Democrats want to eliminate immigration enforcement. It's a canned lie used by conservative media and their consumers.

I've written at length about my thoughts on law enforcement reform. So have countless other people. People have been talking about it generally for decades and urgently for months. Ignorance this late in the game is inexcusable. Briefly, I think every community needs to convene an inclusive group of stakeholders. They need to agree on the goals of a community safety force and evaluate whether or not the existing structure is meeting them. In some cases, police departments should be replaced with new organizations. Police officers interested in retraining should be evaluated to determine whether or not they can be successful on the reimagined team. All members of it need to be trained about appropriate uses of force and deescalating confrontations. They need to see themselves as community stewards and not just people who write tickets and arrest criminals.

Prosecutors need to be retrained to pursue the cases with the greatest need for justice and greatest potential for increasing community safety. Most importantly of all, parents need to sit down with their children and discuss racism. They need to be exposed to diverse experiences and people.

I don't look kindly on people who resist social improvements. What kind of person doesn't want to discuss ways to improve law enforcement systems that can be seen to be flawed from outer space? BLM has been politicized, but wanting to make law enforcement better is not a controversial position.

 

[Irwin Corey]

You forgot to point out that Antifa are LEFTIST anarchists. And Democrat leaders (like Mazie Hirono) completely fail to call them out.

There are no President Trump backers here that openly support white supremacy. I'm a big Trump supporter and I've never conversed with white supremacists.



Again ...Democrats REFUSE to specifiaclly condemn Antifa.

I sure as hell did in my response, that Senator Hironon refused to rise to Cruz's bait isn't an endorsement of ANTIFA or that she "conversed" with them. I'm a big Biden supporter and I have never conversed with an ANTIFA memeber.

 

[Diesel]

Please explain in detail what you are talking about.

I'm not explaining racism to another white conservative on DP. You can either view my many posts on the matter, go talk to other minorities, or look it up.

 

[Diesel]

There is no "systematic racism" in America today. That term has become a cliché. I really believe people truly don't understand what they are saying when they say it. Sure there are racist people in America, but it's certainly be not "systematic" within our society. It does appear that some people desperately wish that was so. I used to think that was just because of the people who earn their living through yammering on about racism. With them, racism is essential to maintain their lucrative career. They need it or they lose their means of support. Al Sharpton is an example of that.


BLM started out with the honorable intentions. Somewhere along the line they got compromised. They became radicalized with a Marxist leaning element. They also went a little astray when they reached out to Hamas a few months ago.

Here's a hint. We are not letting white people tell us when we are or are not experiencing racism anymore. We're not letting white people tell us when we're allowed to be offended, especially since that answer is usually never. We're not letting white Americans who have never lived a day in their lives as minorities tell us that what we experience every day is either not real or just isn't that bad. BLM is neither Marxist nor is it part of Hamas. Conservatives are desperate to discredit BLM because their "culture war" requires them to feel threatened by minorities in order to maintain their privilege.

 

[Diesel]

Reformed is another one of these words that some people repeat without a full understanding of what they are saying. They've learned this word by rote. It keeps getting repeated over and over without a real explanation and they just just start repeating with no clear ability to explain it.

I've explained myself in perfect terms dozens of times. Why are you so anxious to disregard a conversation about improving community safety and the relationship between law enforcement and the public? What do you have to lose exactly?

 

[Diesel]

They are literally lying.

There is no fascists in the US to be “anti” in the first place

There are tons. They hide in anonymous internet forums and get cheeseburger grease all over the Oval Office.