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Democrats propose free college tuition and debt forgiveness!

So I assume you disagreed when Dick Cheney said: "Reagan proved that deficits don't matter".

Certainly, but with this clarification. It is not the deficit which will bankrupt the country, but the debt. They are not the same thing.
 
Certainly, but with this clarification. It is not the deficit which will bankrupt the country, but the debt. They are not the same thing.

You DO understand, Marke, that the only real difference between the two is that "debt" is the accumulation of years of deficits? And Trump and the GOP Congress, of course, has ramped up the current deficit to historically high levels, which will only FURTHER skyrocket the debt?
 
You DO understand, Marke, that the only real difference between the two is that "debt" is the accumulation of years of deficits? And Trump and the GOP Congress, of course, has ramped up the current deficit to historically high levels, which will only FURTHER skyrocket the debt?

Yes. The debt is getting worse and Trump does not seem worried, which I find troubling.
 
Yes. The debt is getting worse and Trump does not seem worried, which I find troubling.

It's actually a rather long-term schism in the Republican Party and among conservatives: supply-side economics versus fiscal conservatism.
 
Republicans only pretend to be worried about deficits when they are in the minority. When they are in the majority, they blow through the budget in order to slash taxes on the rich.

From Politifact:
"(President Ronald) Reagan took the deficit from 70 billion to 175 billion." This is more or less accurate. The federal deficit went from about $78.9 billion at the beginning of Reagan’s presidency to $152.6 billion at the end of it. At points between 1983 and 1986, the deficit was actually more than $175 billion.

"(George H.W.) Bush 41 took it to 300 billion." Close, but not exactly. The number was around $255 billion at the end of Bush’s term. The deficit spiked at around $290.3 billion the year before he left office.

"(Bill) Clinton got it to zero." This is true. During his presidency, Clinton managed to zero out the deficit and end his term with a $128.2 billion surplus.

"(George W.) Bush 43 took it from 0 to 1.2 trillion." This is in the ballpark. Ignoring the fact that he actually started his presidency with a surplus, Bush left office in 2009 with a federal deficit of roughly $1.41 trillion.

"(Barack) Obama halved it to 600 billion." This is essentially accurate. Obama left the presidency with a deficit of approximately $584.6 billion, which is more than halving $1.41 trillion. The deficit was even lower in 2015 at around $441.9 billion.

Update: Trump and the Republicans will add another 1 to 2 trillion to the debt for their massive, unnecessary, unproductive tax cut for already rich corporations.
Remember candidate Trump claiming he would balance the budget "so easily?"
Back to trillion dollar deficits and climbing! Thanks Republicans!
 
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Hey with free college I can get all the degrees I want and not have to pay for it someone else is, a brilliant idea! Law school which normally costs $100,000+ I can go to for free because someone else is paying the bill. I probably will only be able to score high enough of the LSAT to go to a 4th tier law school and will at best just be a mediocre law student so no one will want to hire me after law school. I will though have a J.D. degree I can brag about and the 100k the government will have to pay off not me. In addition to the law degree maybe I will get an MBA from a non ranked private university that doesn't have a GMAT requirement which will cost another 30k+ too I am not paying for it, it's free. My MBA will not be respected by employers, but hey I will have an MBA to brag about and I don't have to worry about paying for it since someone else is paying the bill. Since the government is giving me free degrees I don't have to pay for maybe I will also get a master's in a useless degree like a Master's in Liberal Arts. It doesn't matter that it's useless the government is paying the bill.

So yeah the democrats have a brilliant idea alright ... free education. Lets go bankrupt the nation together !
 
Rich white Democrats don't want to pay for anything. They want YOU to buy them and their kids everything because - as they explained - they were born entitled to everything for free. Others are supposed to be their slaves.
 
Hey with free college I can get all the degrees I want and not have to pay for it someone else is, a brilliant idea! Law school which normally costs $100,000+ I can go to for free because someone else is paying the bill. I probably will only be able to score high enough of the LSAT to go to a 4th tier law school and will at best just be a mediocre law student so no one will want to hire me after law school. I will though have a J.D. degree I can brag about and the 100k the government will have to pay off not me. In addition to the law degree maybe I will get an MBA from a non ranked private university that doesn't have a GMAT requirement which will cost another 30k+ too I am not paying for it, it's free. My MBA will not be respected by employers, but hey I will have an MBA to brag about and I don't have to worry about paying for it since someone else is paying the bill. Since the government is giving me free degrees I don't have to pay for maybe I will also get a master's in a useless degree like a Master's in Liberal Arts. It doesn't matter that it's useless the government is paying the bill.

So yeah the democrats have a brilliant idea alright ... free education. Lets go bankrupt the nation together !

I assume that "free" education will also cover housing and meals as well! Free college will become the next welfare program. So instead of having a baby to get all sorts of free stuff from the government to live on one can be come a perpetual student for life and just live off the government by sitting in classes the rest of ones life!
 
I support making everything in society free as long as I don't have to pay for it.
 
Republicans only pretend to be worried about deficits when they are in the minority. When they are in the majority, they blow through the budget in order to slash taxes on the rich.

Do you know what I find most fascinating in that "article"? How obviously slanted it is when you look at it with a critical eye.

For every Republican, they talk about the actual debt. Yet for every Democrat, they concentrate on the final number of the deficit. Not how much debt was run up.

In other words, it is a pointless and worthless posting, that lies by how it fools people into believing what they want them to believe. Case in point, it applauds President Obama in reducing the deficit. Not mentioning that he increased the debt from $11 to $20 trillion. President Clinton got the surplus largely through the Republican Congress he was stuck with putting the brakes on spending, and a trick of accounting which shoved the amount being "held" into the US General fund. That was a one time benefit, and was really only paperwork. He still increased the deby bt over $1.5 trillion.

Maybe next time you will post it to those that do not notice such details.
 
Like the prospect of a growing government, say throwing billions at the border, doesn't excite you? It's only this one, Americans getting educated, that grinds your gears - I mean spelling dumbass as dummass tells us exactly your stance on education. I don't support all the democrats 100% on all their proposals but something does need to be done. I hardly think making higher education affordable or close to free is not a bad investment for our nation.

Marke's interests are not served with an educated general public.
 
All education should be free in my opinion. Education is necessary for better paying jobs. Wouldn't need student loans if all education was free. And how to pay for it? Out of the surplus!
 
All education should be free in my opinion. Education is necessary for better paying jobs. Wouldn't need student loans if all education was free. And how to pay for it? Out of the surplus!

Nothing of value is "free" - what you likely mean is that higher education should be paid for by someone else (those with higher incomes?) rather than by user fees (tuition). I think that having employers pay for it via tuition reimbursement as a fringe benefit would be a good idea, perhaps offering them tax credits for doing so.
 
All education should be free in my opinion. Education is necessary for better paying jobs. Wouldn't need student loans if all education was free. And how to pay for it? Out of the surplus!
What surplus exactly are you talking about?
 
How exiting! The new wave of democrat morons running for president have proposed bankrupting the American economy by stupidly abolishing student loan debts and paying excessively high priced college tuition for everyone. What a boon for democrat college administrators and officials. I see huge bonuses and higher salaries and benefits for everyone in the education business, thanks to democrats.

I also see the massive increase of fiscal stupidity exposed in these new dummass ideas being promoted by the new wave of moronic democrat politicians.

Student loan experts sound alarm on 'trillion-dollar blackhole'

It is clear that you are completely opposed to Education, and therefore you are absolutely not worth talking to.
 
It is clear that you are completely opposed to Education, and therefore you are absolutely not worth talking to.

I am for education. I am not for casually spending trillions of US dollars while stupidly thinking the US will not be seriously negatively affected by the skyrocketing debt.
 
I am for education. I am not for casually spending trillions of US dollars while stupidly thinking the US will not be seriously negatively affected by the skyrocketing debt.

And yet you called abolishing student loan debts "stupid" and seemed to imply that it only benefits people working in education.
 
How exiting! The new wave of democrat morons running for president have proposed bankrupting the American economy by stupidly abolishing student loan debts and paying excessively high priced college tuition for everyone. What a boon for democrat college administrators and officials. I see huge bonuses and higher salaries and benefits for everyone in the education business, thanks to democrats.

I also see the massive increase of fiscal stupidity exposed in these new dummass ideas being promoted by the new wave of moronic democrat politicians.

Student loan experts sound alarm on 'trillion-dollar blackhole'

At the same time democrats will promote open border immigration , amnesty to illegals, visa for foreign tech workers. So a college degree will be dumbed down and useless.

Kids graduating high school barely fluent in reading , english, math and science and we expect them to get free college?
 
At the same time democrats will promote open border immigration , amnesty to illegals, visa for foreign tech workers. So a college degree will be dumbed down and useless.

Kids graduating high school barely fluent in reading , english, math and science and we expect them to get free college?

Actually, your president talks big about visas, but supports h1-b's in his actions. Actions speak louder than words. And if you're worried about schools failing high school kids, you should ask them to quit cutting funding for them.
 
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All education should be free in my opinion. Education is necessary for better paying jobs. Wouldn't need student loans if all education was free. And how to pay for it? Out of the surplus!

Education is free. It's called Google. What would you like to learn today?
 
Education is free. It's called Google. What would you like to learn today?

Which high paid STEM jobs are asking for candidates with educational backgrounds based on Google searches? Could you post some?
 
Which high paid STEM jobs are asking for candidates with educational backgrounds based on Google searches? Could you post some?

Oh, so you don't want education, you want credentials. Now I see the difference.
 
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