Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting [W:977, 1014]

[calamity]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

If only a good guy on the 33rd floor had 11 guns..

 

[MTAtech]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

you are lying. we have national background checks and in the 24 years they have been in place and involve all licensed dealers (which is the only kind of sale that such checks can be enforced) there is NO evidence they have done anything to decrease violent crime

law enforcement agencies routinely gather than information so I have no idea what you are claiming.

First, I researched and we do have background checks. I resent being called a liar for being incorrect.
Second, a loophole in federal gun laws still exempts unlicensed sellers from having to perform any background check whatsoever before selling a firearm. With this loophole, guns easily find their way into the hands of illegal buyers and gun traffickers.
Third, on your claim that there is NO evidence that background checks work, the evidence suggests otherwise (should I call you a liar?) Research Suggests Gun Background Checks Work, But They're Not Everything

 

[Bucky]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

So you're the real victim here. Gotcha.

LOL!

Forget about the innocent people that have died! My ability to own every time of gun trumps that.

 

[Aberration]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

Freedom has nothing to do with being able to own an ak-47.

Maybe not for you. You don’t speak for the rest of us.


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[Saladin4]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

No, not to inflict anything on their fellow citizens...to have the ability to protect themselves from the govt.

It's about freedom, and staying free. You can choose to sacrifice yours bit by bit. I prefer not.

See my signature, in blue.

Government???...The founding fathers wanted to allow citizens to fight their own government?...What kind of logic is that?.....The shooter was de-ranged and insane...To allow him to legally and easily get these weapons is equally insane....

 

[Lursa]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

You're against anyone examining any policy changes that might prevent mass shootings? Do you like mass shootings?

Also.... Why are you politicizing this? People are dying and you want to talk about one vague line in one tweet by one senator.

I am open to any proposals that do not punish the legal gun owners like myself and will actually reduce gun crime.

 

[Aberration]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

I went to the Guns N Roses concert in Tel Aviv not long ago. They had many marksman units, and many more rifle equipped squads surrounding the entire venue. We should consider doing the same.


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[Lursa]

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Government???...The founding fathers wanted to allow citizens to fight their own government?...What kind of logic is that?.....The shooter was de-ranged and insane...To allow him to legally and easily get these weapons is equally insane....

You write in total ignorance now. Yes, the FF's absolutely wanted American citizens to be able to strike against their govt if it turned against them. THey were very clear on their use to fight back against govt tyranny.

 

[Saladin4]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

Sorry DemoRats but we already have gun control; The Second Amendment has already been infringed upon beyond belief ..........

Gun Control?.....Where?.....My guess the folks in Las Vegas and the families of those killed and wounded would beg to differ

 

[Lursa]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

I went to the Guns N Roses concert in Tel Aviv not long ago. They had many marksman units, and many more rifle equipped squads surrounding the entire venue. We should consider doing the same.


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Yowzaa, concert tix are already crazy expensive.

 

[Nilly]

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Thanks for explaining why I got quoted in that post and then couldn’t find your post. Mystery solved!

What makes you think that Obamacare provided for mental illness treatment whereas Trump’s plan did not? I don’t know that. How do you? No offense, but I never saw a,sensible point by point comparison.

I think it was the Reagan Adinistration that decimated the country’s mental health hospitals in this country. Not sure. I agree with you, though, that if we want mental health issues treated, we’ve got to provide the funds.

Obamacare isn't necessarily the final solution for mental health issues - but that said it did put the possibility for mental health treatment in the hands of millions of people who would otherwise be unable to afford it. I know this is anecdotal, but due to Obamacare my ex was able to get treated for depression (not saying she was a candidate for any gun violence - just that it gave her access to healthcare). Republicans also seem to be proponents of private prisons - that are all to happy to take in mental health patients and not give them the care that they actually need - so that when they do eventually get back out - they are unable to actually be healthy members of society.

Even now in America being rich does not ensure you get the mental care treatment you need. Eliot Rodger - who did the shooting in Santa Clara was from a rich family and he didn't get the treatment he clearly needed. I think we need to build awareness of the signs for mental health treatment and we need people to be able to comfortable in seeking it out or ensuring their friends and families seek it out. This, ultimately, requires govt investment. There's no profit motive, it's a societal good. I'm not going to say Dems are perfect at that but they are certainly a damn good sight better at it than the Republican party.

Ultimately, I think this is one of the biggest reasons single payer is a good idea. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure and a single payer system ensures that people can go to the doctor for seemingly small reasons and not worry about getting hit with a $500 bill. This means that issues like this can be diagnosed ahead of time and people can receive treatment early, before they crack.

 

[calamity]

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you're the one gleefully using the deaths of innocents to bait other posters knowing damn well that thing you do would have made not a difference. You just want to harass people who own guns

So, just like Trump believes he is the real victim of Hurricane Maria, you think gun nuts are the victim in Las Vegas. Smh

 

[MTAtech]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

No, not to inflict anything on their fellow citizens...to have the ability to protect themselves from the govt.

It's about freedom, and staying free. You can choose to sacrifice yours bit by bit. I prefer not.

See my signature, in blue.

Sorry, but I've been hearing crap like that my whole life. In the 1960s, conservatives said 'passing Medicare would lead to doctors being told where to live and how much money they earn -- and we'd look back on the days when men were free.' That was BS then and the idea that unless we live like the wild-wild-west we can't be free, is BS now.

 

[Lursa]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

Freedom has nothing to do with being able to own an ak-47.

Sure it does, if you need it when the govt stops listening to the People and turns against it. Would definitely come in handy. Handier than a musket.

 

[Saladin4]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

You write in total ignorance now. Yes, the FF's absolutely wanted American citizens to be able to strike against their govt if it turned against them. THey were very clear on their use to fight back against govt tyranny.

Ah no they were not...The wanted a citizen militia in place of a standing army to defend against an invasion.....No talk of fighting their own government...That was over 250 years....Hardly relevant to today....That logic won't make the families of the victims feel better

 

[cuban smokes]

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Gun Control?.....Where?.....My guess the folks in Las Vegas and the families of those killed and wounded would beg to differ

the general demographic of the crowd targeted are typically pro gun; I'm sure they will be thinking long & hard about that but I don't see a lot of change of heart AFA the overall gun issue within the US ..........

 

[Nilly]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

I went to the Guns N Roses concert in Tel Aviv not long ago. They had many marksman units, and many more rifle equipped squads surrounding the entire venue. We should consider doing the same.


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Where does that stop? Do we need armed security at Chuck E Cheese?

Is requiring armed security everywhere really what we want when we say we want to be free?

 

[Lursa]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

Sorry, but I've been hearing crap like that my whole life. In the 1960s, conservatives said 'passing Medicare would lead to doctors being told where to live and how much money they earn -- and we'd look back on the days when men were free.' That was BS then and the idea that unless we live like the wild-wild-west we can't be free, is BS now.

You make your own choice on what you'll give up to be safe.

Just dont try to force it on me so that I have to give up something that I keep to be responsible for MY OWN safety.

 

[Moon]

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You are missing the point, either mistakenly or intentionally. This isn't about me personally. The idea that we waste lives -- such as school children, people attending a concert or going to a night club, should be abhorrent to all people. To answer the problem with shrugged shoulders is more abhorrent.

What would propose that would have prevented this guy and the Sandy Hook killer?

 

[Lursa]

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Ah no they were not...The wanted a citizen militia in place of a standing army to defend against an invasion.....No talk of fighting their own government...That was over 250 years....Hardly relevant to today....That logic won't make the families of the victims feel better

You are wrong.

 

[yankintx]

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Sandy hook marked the end of the gun control debate. If a bunch of kids getting shot wasn't enough to enact change then nothing will be.

Sandy Hook was the tipping point, as a country, we are blasé about our young folks getting shot down with auto weapons, there is no easy answer. Perhaps it is time to revise the wording of the second amendment, in its current form, it is not working in modern day America. The Vegas shooter had 10 guns, all legal who knows, but no one needs 10 guns !!

 

[MaggieD]

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What makes you so sure they werent semi-auto?

Fully automatic weapons are illegal in the US. You can re-engineer them and make them fully auto...also illegal.

I doubt it was fully auto and am waiting to hear. Fully auto just adds to the highly emotional rhetoric.

Actually, I think I just assumed that by listening to the gunfire over such an extended period of time. I don’t think I heard anyone report it.

Edit... so I googled. There is apparently speculation that a fully auto rifle was used. Speculation. The article ends with this...

The contention, if true, that the Las Vegas shooter used a full-auto firearm in his crime makes the act even more mind boggling than other tragic mass shootings. It means that the shooter somehow had access to extraordinarily rare and difficult-to-obtain weapons

It also stated that even the conversion kits are only available to law enforcement and the military. It will be interesting to find the truth.

 

[Saladin4]

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What would propose that would have prevented this guy and the Sandy Hook killer?

That guy and this nut should never been allowed to acquire a "weapon of mass destruction" so easily.....That would be a starter

 

[Cardinal]

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What I want to know is, when are we as a nation finally going to stand up against these people who keep getting in the way of other people's bullets? I know I'm not alone when I say the NRA is going to get a pretty nice sized donation today from yours truly, yes sir.

 

[Verax]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

No, let's allow silencers and armor piecing bullets and full-auto machine guns. There is a reason we call them gun nuts. And, that reason is obvious. They are nuts.

The experiment has gone on long enough. Mass shootings, accidents, suicide, criminals have open access to firearms. It's been a disaster and it's time to cut our losses and move in a sane direction.