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Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting [W:977, 1014]

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"500 injured; 50-plus dead. But heavens no, don't take away our guns."

baiting again I see. Why not wait until the facts are in before trying to use this tragedy to bait pro gun posters? the fact is the Sheriff has testified that staff members at the hotel had been in the shooter's room and had seen nothing.
 
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They also dont have our freedoms, our personal liberty.

People have a right to bear arms and self defense...Hard to believe the founding fathers wanted people to have weapons of mass destruction to inflict massacres on their fellow citizens...Apparently all these weapons used in this incident are "Legal"...That is insane in itself
 
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4 or more deaths is a mass shooting. What is your point? Anyway you slice it, we have a much, much, much, higher murder rate than any of our modern developed peer nations. Which is why it is total bull**** to say "nothing could be done to prevent this". Yeah, its a given that there will always been some mass shootings and some murders. However, we certainly ought to be able to reduce the number.

Once again, I am not for gun sale bans. I own several guns. I am just saying that throwing our hands up every time and saying nothing can be done is a total bull**** response.

What would be a good response then? Besides a total ban, what can be done? Apparently the guns he used were not legal to own. (nothing positive stated yet on how he got them) so more laws wouldn't do anything.
 
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"500 injured; 50-plus dead. But heavens no, don't take away our guns."

Then why arent people out in the streets trying to ban or more severely restrict auto use?

117 Deaths Each Day - The New York Times

Let's try to keep a little perspective. These events are horrible, but never ever add up to the death on our streets, highways, and sidewalks (the number of pedestrians hit is appallling).
 
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The shooter would never have been able to do this act of madness without these weapons...Why would a modern society allow somebody to have them?.....Legally?.....So many lives lost because of it....Time for America to look at itself

what a stupid comment. we completely ban cocaine and heroin and we are seeing a dozen people die a week in my home state from Heroin overdoses. if someone is willing to kill himself and kill dozens, do you think that the guy would not have been available to get guns?

I think lots of people like you are more interested in disarming people who don't agree with your politics than you are interested in actually stopping incidents like this
 
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The shooter would never have been able to do this act of madness without these weapons...Why would a modern society allow somebody to have them?.....Legally?.....So many lives lost because of it....Time for America to look at itself

Yes they can...now the use of vehicles is becoming more and more common, esp. overseas.
 
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People have a right to bear arms and self defense...Hard to believe the founding fathers wanted people to have weapons of mass destruction to inflict massacres on their fellow citizens...Apparently all these weapons used in this incident are "Legal"...That is insane in itself

calling a few rifles "weapons of mass destruction" is idiotic.

mass murder is illegal. that didn't stop a guy willing to die to commit his crime.
 
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A full gun ban is the only real solution to the gun issue. But not only is it politically untenable, there are other geographical and social realities that make it less of an effective solution here than in other countries around the world where it works.



I honestly do not think any possible action can stop such atrocities even an all out gun ban. Let us just say for arguments sake that we all out banned firearms in the US what are the likely outcomes?


A reduction of guns by a buy back program and/or forceful search and seizures of everyone and their homes/cars for decades which in its self I would not be ok with. This would probably remove quite a few but not near all of them. Firstly we have many guns out there with no paper trail (stolen, purchased before paper trails or registration were required, illegal or non documented sales, ect.) that probably count in the hundreds of thousands. Secondly technology has advanced to the point that a person can simply 3D print a working gun overnight (admittedly a very poor single shot at current time but that is always improving). And lastly the very people that are least likely to sell or turn over their guns are the very criminals that cause so many of the current gun homicides in our country to begin with.

So while an all out gun ban might reduce gun crimes it imo will never achieve anywhere near a gun-less utopian society that I feel most of the anti gun group believe that they would have. I believe if we banned guns today we would still have many shootings every year in this country for centuries to come. It is unfortunate that some rights come at a cost, just look at how many Americans died to end slavery, but like slavery sometimes the cost is worth it..
 
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In the other thread you spoke about treating mental health, that this guy was mentally ill. I typed up a response but it wasn't really relevant to that specific thread so I deleted it, but I'll ask it here.

One of my frustrations with the Republican party is that they talk about how this is all a mental health issue, but are then happy to defund mental health institutions, throw people off of insurance, and enact policy that means that people who actually need mental health help, end up in prisons who cannot service their needs.

It is not economically profitable to give these people therapy or other mental health help. But it is socially profitable if that therapy prevents them from going on a shooting rampage. Therefore I believe that we as taxpayers would benefit from some of our taxpayer dollars going towards investment into treatment of mental health issues.

As a proponent of the theory that this is mainly a mental health issue, but also as a supporter of a POTUS and party who don't wish to put any investment in mental health, can you help me understand your position? Welcome other people's thoughts on this also.

Thanks for explaining why I got quoted in that post and then couldn’t find your post. Mystery solved!

What makes you think that Obamacare provided for mental illness treatment whereas Trump’s plan did not? I don’t know that. How do you? No offense, but I never saw a,sensible point by point comparison.

I think it was the Reagan Adinistration that decimated the country’s mental health hospitals in this country. Not sure. I agree with you, though, that if we want mental health issues treated, we’ve got to provide the funds.
 
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What would be a good response then? Besides a total ban, what can be done? Apparently the guns he used were not legal to own. (nothing positive stated yet on how he got them) so more laws wouldn't do anything.

We actually have the technology to implement RFID technology on all guns and WAC technology that could disable/enable gun in certain safe zones.

Oh, believe me, the technology exists to make guns safer. The NRA wants no part of it.
 
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baiting again I see. Why not wait until the facts are in before trying to use this tragedy to bait pro gun posters? the fact is the Sheriff has testified that staff members at the hotel had been in the shooter's room and had seen nothing.
Yeah, yeah. We know--you must defend guns. The 50 dead and 500 who are injured be damned.
 
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Being that gun enthusiasts resist all legislation and efforts to keep guns out of the hands of the wrong people; I think the only real solution is to repeal the 2nd amendment and take away all the guns.
 
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Did you hear the gunfire?
What makes you so sure they werent semi-auto?

Fully automatic weapons are illegal in the US. You can re-engineer them and make them fully auto...also illegal.

I doubt it was fully auto and am waiting to hear. Fully auto just adds to the highly emotional rhetoric.
 
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Then why arent people out in the streets trying to ban or more severely restrict auto use?

117 Deaths Each Day - The New York Times

Let's try to keep a little perspective. These events are horrible, but never ever add up to the death on our streets, highways, and sidewalks (the number of pedestrians hit is appallling).

"B...b...but cars!" :roll:
 
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You're against anyone examining any policy changes that might prevent mass shootings? Do you like mass shootings?

Also.... Why are you politicizing this? People are dying and you want to talk about one vague line in one tweet by one senator.

People like that don't support solutions. Its like healthcare -"Well, if you can't afford it because of a preexisting condition, too bad!"
 
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People have a right to bear arms and self defense...Hard to believe the founding fathers wanted people to have weapons of mass destruction to inflict massacres on their fellow citizens...Apparently all these weapons used in this incident are "Legal"...That is insane in itself

No, not to inflict anything on their fellow citizens...to have the ability to protect themselves from the govt.

It's about freedom, and staying free. You can choose to sacrifice yours bit by bit. I prefer not.

See my signature, in blue.
 
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Yeah, yeah. We know--you must defend guns. The 50 dead and 500 who are injured be damned.

you're the one gleefully using the deaths of innocents to bait other posters knowing damn well that thing you do would have made not a difference. You just want to harass people who own guns
 
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What would be a good response then? Besides a total ban, what can be done? Apparently the guns he used were not legal to own. (nothing positive stated yet on how he got them) so more laws wouldn't do anything.

What has been said on this? Do you have a link?
 
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And we have a way more deaths/injuries from cars...more than another country probably too, since we are so in love with our cars.
Time to limit who owns what cars and how many?
Yes, I'm not sure if you are aware or not, but we limit motor vehicles in many ways.
- we have special licensing for larger vehicles
- seatbekt and crash test requirements, child seating laws
- drivers tests, licensing, countless laws of the road including speed limits
- police that routinely patrol and have special units directly assigned to traffic
- traffic lights, street lights, regulations that govern road design, curves, distances to intersections, etc.

Are you suggesting we need a similar litany of restrictions on firearms? I agree! But ultimately we will likely create dramatic decreases once automated driving is perfected and ubiquitous. So yes, it's an all around work in progress that's in the right direction.
But then this isn't a thread about the dangers of automobiles, is it?
(And no, we dont 'need' them. If people were so concerned, there are many options and lifestyles, just like in other Western countries, to go without or use much less. But convenience overcomes THOSE numbers of dead.)
Transportation, especially in areas that do not and largely cannot benefit from mass transit, is critical to nearly everything in modern life.

Firearms, especially in the broad case of nearly anything-goes in the U.S., is clearly is not similar in that way. Heart disease, Cancer, Old Age, these are bigger killers, and I'm also concerned about them. Which has no real relevance to how the U.S. with it's wild-west approach, compares to nearly every successful/developed nation that has far more comprehensive gun control, and typically far lower homicide rates as well as obviously gun crime rates.
 
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Being that gun enthusiasts resist all legislation and efforts to keep guns out of the hands of the wrong people; I think the only real solution is to repeal the 2nd amendment and take away all the guns.
No, let's allow silencers and armor piecing bullets and full-auto machine guns. There is a reason we call them gun nuts. And, that reason is obvious. They are nuts.
 
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You just want to harass people who own guns
So you're the real victim here. Gotcha.
 
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No, not to inflict anything on their fellow citizens...to have the ability to protect themselves from the govt.

It's about freedom, and staying free. You can choose to sacrifice yours bit by bit. I prefer not.

See my signature, in blue.

Freedom has nothing to do with being able to own an ak-47.
 
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