Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting [W:977, 1014]

[ALiberalModerate]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

We could ban the sale of guns in total and not stop this kind of thing from happening. The genie has left the building.

I am not for banning gun sales. I don't know what the answer is. My point was I am sick of hearing "nothing could be done to prevent this" every time we have a mass shooting. There is bound to be something that can be done, but all we ever get are "thoughts and prayers".

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

Define "regularly"

We average 31 mass shootings a month in this country. That is pretty regular. Guns in the US: The statistics behind the violence - BBC News

I am not for bans on gun sales. I own several guns. My only point is that I am sick and tired of hearing that "nothing could be done". There is bound to be something that can be done. We just need to try more than the usual "thoughts and prayers" bull****.

 

[Bucky]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

some of the hard core banners actually look forward to such tragedies to jump start their bannerrhoid goals that have been languishing of late. Its sick but its true Look at some of the idiotic comments from some of the board gun haters

Hey, they could simply deny the tragedy took place and call it a hoax.

I am not a fan of a complete gun control but at least it is a solution. The gun zealots do not support solutions. They support the status quo which is even more disgusting.

 

[MTAtech]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

Yawn. How many legally owned guns are used to commit crimes?
The answer is very few.
So, people who shouldn't have guns are committing acts that are illegal while illegally in possession of weapons. Your answer is to "Ban" all guns, something that would take a Constitutional Convention to even begin to start...

Somehow, other modern nations are able to avoid these mass carnage events that the U.S. has several times a year. Just do what they do.

The courts have repeatedly allowed control of certain weapons w/o a Constitutional Convention.

 

[Renae]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

Somehow, other modern nations are able to avoid these mass carnage events that the U.S. has several times a year. Just do what they do.

The courts have repeatedly allowed control of certain weapons w/o a Constitutional Convention.

You are free to move to those safe places where you are defenseless, we free people will keep our guns tyvm.

 

[Deuce]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

some of the hard core banners actually look forward to such tragedies to jump start their bannerrhoid goals that have been languishing of late. Its sick but its true Look at some of the idiotic comments from some of the board gun haters

Some of the hard core gun fetishists actually look forward to murdering someone in "self defense" to finish off their murder fantasies. It's sick but its true.

I'm an adult and this is how I debate.

 

[holbritter]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

We average 31 mass shootings a month in this country. That is pretty regular. Guns in the US: The statistics behind the violence - BBC News

That's the FBI's definition of 'mass' shootings (4 or more deaths) Comparing that to something of this magnitude is a bit hyperbole. How 'regularly' does something comparable happen here?

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

That's the FBI's definition of 'mass' shootings (4 or more deaths) Comparing that to something of this magnitude is a bit hyperbole. How 'regularly' does something comparable happen here?

4 or more deaths is a mass shooting. What is your point? Anyway you slice it, we have a much, much, much, higher murder rate than any of our modern developed peer nations. Which is why it is total bull**** to say "nothing could be done to prevent this". Yeah, its a given that there will always been some mass shootings and some murders. However, we certainly ought to be able to reduce the number.

Once again, I am not for gun sale bans. I own several guns. I am just saying that throwing our hands up every time and saying nothing can be done is a total bull**** response.

 

[Winston]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

Honestly impressed with the level of sanity and rational discussion in this thread. Good job so far guys. Rational voices on both sides.

 

[MTAtech]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

You are free to move to those safe places where you are defenseless, we free people will keep our guns tyvm.

Nice. Everyone who doesn't think the sound of 31 mass shootings a month is just the bells of liberty, should just leave the country, huh?

 

[Renae]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

4 or more deaths is a mass shooting. What is your point? Anyway you slice it, we have a much, much, much, higher murder rate than any of our modern developed peer nations. Which is why it is total bull**** to say "nothing could be done to prevent this". Yeah, its a given that there will always been some mass shootings and some murders. However, we certainly ought to be able to reduce the number.

Once again, I am not for gun sale bans. I own several guns. I am just saying that throwing our hands up every time and saying nothing can be done is a total bull**** response.

Nothing achievable can be done. A total ban on weapons is nearly impossible, stopping a criminal from breaking the law is impossible.

 

[Nilly]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

All a gun ban would do is disarm the law abiding. I don't have any desire to be a defenseless victim.

Honestly I don't really disagree. Gun bans have worked in other countries (e.g. UK/Aus) but those countries had far less prevalence of guns in the first place, don't share massive borders with other countries that allow guns etc.

If there were a big red button that made every gun disintegrate then that would stop incidents like the one this morning. Unfortunately, a politically driven 'gun ban' would not have that effect on guns in this country, anywhere near to the extent it had an effect in the UK or Australia.

 

[Renae]

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Nice. Everyone who doesn't think the sound of 31 mass shootings a month is just the bells of liberty, should just leave the country, huh?

Pretty much. If it bothers you that much, go on, go somewhere "safer".

 

[Bucky]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

Somehow, other modern nations are able to avoid these mass carnage events that the U.S. has several times a year. Just do what they do.

The courts have repeatedly allowed control of certain weapons w/o a Constitutional Convention.

You are wasting your time. Any common sense comments about restricting civilians from gaining access to military-grade weapons will be met with:

1. It is my Second Amendment right
2. I need to protect myself in case the government goes tyrannical
3. Shootings will always happen, the laws do not work

No amount of "facts" will change their minds. If gun zealots are going to support gun rights for KKK members and the worst of the worst in society... no amount of mass shootings will change their minds.

 

[MTAtech]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

Pretty much. If it bothers you that much, go on, go somewhere "safer".

You are missing the point, either mistakenly or intentionally. This isn't about me personally. The idea that we waste lives -- such as school children, people attending a concert or going to a night club, should be abhorrent to all people. To answer the problem with shrugged shoulders is more abhorrent.

 

[iliveonramen]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

Pretty much. If it bothers you that much, go on, go somewhere "safer".

Such a mentally lazy response. "Don't like law [x,y,z]", move!"

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

Nothing achievable can be done. A total ban on weapons is nearly impossible, stopping a criminal from breaking the law is impossible.

Why have a police force then? If we can never prevent a criminal from breaking the law then what is the point of policing. Perhaps if we thought outside of the box of "thoughts and prayers", we could figure something out that would help.

 

[MaggieD]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

I am not for banning gun sales. I don't know what the answer is. My point was I am sick of hearing "nothing could be done to prevent this" every time we have a mass shooting. There is bound to be something that can be done, but all we ever get are "thoughts and prayers".

Oh, we could improve the odds of it NOT happening. But those solutions revolve around such impractical things, we would never stand for it. Don’t want a guy to be able to unload his armory in your hotel room? Metal detectors and armed guards at every exit/entrance. School shootings? Armed guards, metal detectors and no unauthorized access. Bombs in stadiums? No backpacks. No brought in water bottles or bags. Metal detectors. Tougher sentencing. Swifter trials. It could be done.

At what price Freedom?

 

[Renae]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

You are missing the point, either mistakenly or intentionally. This isn't about me personally. The idea that we waste lives -- such as school children, people attending a concert or going to a night club, should be abhorrent to all people. To answer the problem with shrugged shoulders is more abhorrent.

It's not shrugged shoulders, it's shrugging at politically motivated posturing. Which is all you are on about.

 

[Renae]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

Such a mentally lazy response. "Don't like law [x,y,z]", move!"

"BAN GUNS!!" IS mentally lazy.

 

[Bucky]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

Why have a police force then? If we can never prevent a criminal from breaking the law then what is the point of policing. Perhaps if we thought outside of the box of "thoughts and prayers", we could figure something out that would help.

The fact is solutions already exist. The NRA however wants no part on reducing mass killings. Its bad for business and profits.

 

[GDViking]

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Are you arguing against stronger sentencing? Are you arguing that you should be able to retrofit a firearm to be automatic fire? Not sure what your point is.

Yes my beliefs are very "liberal" when it comes to gun rights. I believe it is unconstitutional to take away a felons right to bear arms. If he should not have a gun extend his probation otherwise let the man hunt and shoot.

 

[Lursa]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

Interesting that he didn’t proffer the legislation he’d like to see. I’ve been thinking about this guy and his fully automatic weapon. Since I seriously doubt he obtained the proper license, he either bought it illegally or modified his firearm(s).

I know the purists won’t like it, but I advocate extremely tough first-time mandatory sentencing for anyone either owning a retrofit or illegally buying a fully automatic anything. And for sellers? Throw them in jail and throw away the key. Even juveniles. I would also support legislation that required new manufactures to incorporate design technology that would make retrofitting to automatic fire impossible.

Can you imagine? Fifty-plus dead. Four hundred plus wounded.

They were fully automatic? I'm doubting that.

 

[Renae]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

Why have a police force then? If we can never prevent a criminal from breaking the law then what is the point of policing. Perhaps if we thought outside of the box of "thoughts and prayers", we could figure something out that would help.

Now you're being silly. You cannot STOP a criminal with a law, what you can do is try to deter actions. Which is what laws are partially for, the other side of a law is to provide the framework for applying penalties.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

It's long overdue.

we have had all sorts of stupid gun control that doesn't stop crap like this but is used by Democrats to pretend they are doing something when they are not.