Democrat plea for help from Russia to pervert the American presidential election

[Athanasius68]

The opinions from the Right are like New England weather. If you don't like it, wait 5 minutes.

Of course then there is the issue of whether their claim is even worth considering as a flip flop or an opinion of merit at all. As I pointed out in the post that quoted the piece the two incidents, Trump as actual candidate, Kennedy as a thought whisking through the mind of Ted and a few of his allies as a possible candidate is NOT equivalent.

Except of course that the Trump campaign DID NOT work with Russia, whereas aparrently Sen. Kennedy made an offer.
Hey-- if it makes you feel better, it was a HYPOTHETICAL- IF Kennedy ran for president THEN he might be willing to think about conspiring with Russia.

 

[marke]

Oh, yeah? Well, I’ve got something I could tell you about Warren Harding.

You seem interested in politics. Want to see how Obama attempted to secretly collude with Russians just before the 2012 election?

 

[jnug]

Except of course that the Trump campaign DID NOT work with Russia, whereas aparrently Sen. Kennedy made an offer.
Hey-- if it makes you feel better, it was a HYPOTHETICAL- IF Kennedy ran for president THEN he might be willing to think about conspiring with Russia.

At least as your post relates to Kennedy your response is oblique enough, fuzzy and foggy enough and actually claims Kennedy innocent in a left handed sort of way.

So yes, at least to that extent....ACCEPTABLE. You get a gold star. Get that little forehead over here and I will plant it on you.

 

[marke]

Politicians are dirty, period. You think your Republicans are any cleaner, more morally upright and law-abiding? Think again...

UPDATED: Comparing Presidential Administrations by felony arrests and convictions (as of 9/17/2018)

Another democrat crap propaganda site points out the fact that democrats are rarely charged for committing the same types of offences that republicans have been accused and found guilty of whether the charges were justified or not. At least democrats know the system is corrupt and subject to serious error, judging from the numbers of convictions which have later been overturned, particularly in death penalty cases.

Our court system is too often biased. Our media outlets are too often biased. And political activists are too often biased. This has led to volumes of lying data which biased political activists manipulate to their own corrupt political advantage.

 

[Acadia]

Democrats are dirty. They have mastered the art of lying, cheating, stealing and perverting American elections. Assange leaked DNC documents which exposed the effort of the DNC to steal the election from Sanders and give it to Hillary and when that horrifying exposure came out the democrats immediately began crying "Russia, Russia, Russia" to deflect attention away from their own criminal acts. The ploy worked because the leftist media did not want the truth to come out, the corrupt dummasses, and so went into full spin mode to destroy the truth and promote the lie.

After Russia fell during the Reagan administration secret files were unearthed which detailed Ted Kennedy's secret communications with Russia in an attempt to steal the election from Ronald Reagan in 1984. Thank God the plan failed and Ted Kennedy did not get his wicked way.

Ted Kennedy's Soviet Gambit

The high and might Democrats who insist Trump didn't win the election fairly seem to not know their history. Thank you for reminding everyone.
Oh, let's not forget Bill Clinton's meddling in Russia's election!

 

[snakestretcher]

Another democrat crap propaganda site points out the fact that democrats are rarely charged for committing the same types of offences that republicans have been accused and found guilty of whether the charges were justified or not. At least democrats know the system is corrupt and subject to serious error, judging from the numbers of convictions which have later been overturned, particularly in death penalty cases.

Our court system is too often biased. Our media outlets are too often biased. And political activists are too often biased. This has led to volumes of lying data which biased political activists manipulate to their own corrupt political advantage.

So it's all lies in your opinion? Sorry mate you'll have to do a whole lot better than mere opinion. Of course we could examine each of the republican convictions in turn if you like?

 

[marke]

Is your argument that Russia did not interfere in the election?

Did some Russians take out ads in support of Trump? Maybe. Did some Russians take out ads in support of Hillary? Maybe. Did some Russians alter the legitimate vote counts in the election? Absolutely not.

 

[CriticalThought]

Did some Russians take out ads in support of Trump? Maybe. Did some Russians take out ads in support of Hillary? Maybe. Did some Russians alter the legitimate vote counts in the election? Absolutely not.

You argue the extent of Russian interference in the 2016 election was to "take out ads"?

 

[marke]

I didn’t refer to the report you cited, I commented on your poor knowledge of history. The only misunderstanding was yours.

And as much as I admired Reagan (my first presidential vote), he wasn’t principally responsible for the Communist State’s collapse, or the Berlin Wall as part of it.

Reagan deserves credit for challenging Gorbachev to tear down the Berlin wall.

 

[marke]

Have you ever posted anything that wasn't pure garbage? There is a reason no one takes any of your postings seriously.

Garbage? Did I get the facts wrong or do you just hate facts?

 

[marke]

From the piece:
"Tunney remarked that the senator wants to run for president in 1988," the memorandum continued. "Kennedy does not discount that during the 1984 campaign, the Democratic Party may officially turn to him to lead the fight against the Republicans and elect their candidate president."

"May officially turn to him" is not quite the same thing as actually being the candidate encouraging assistance from Vlad the Corrupter.

As for Ted himself....never the sharpest tool in the Kennedy shed.

Kennedy's motives can only be speculated about. The fact that he sought Russia's help in defeating Ronald Reagan in 1984 cannot be denied.

 

[marke]

Because the OP is dishonestly attempting to mock CURRENT Russian election interference to help the Trump Campaign with a story from 35 years ago and then pretend its applicable to the current situation - which it is not and has nothing to do with.

Kennedy's collusion with the Russians is an established fact. Trump's supposed collusions with the Russians is a bold-faced dummass democrat lie.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Reagan deserves credit for challenging Gorbachev to tear down the Berlin wall.

Yes, he does.

 

[marke]

The story from 35 years ago has NOTHING to do with what happened in this last election cycle with Trump and the Russians.

Don't listen to lying dummass democrat commies like Rachel Maddow. Four different federal investigations, including Mueller's extensive expensive impeachment-driven witch hunt, have all concluded there was no collusion between Trump and the Russians.

 

[marke]

So now it's not OK to try to work with Russians to try to influence an election or...?

It is not OK for foreigners to vote or attempt to corrupt voting machines and methods in an effort to sway the election. It is also not OK for party heads to pretend to support more than one candidate in the primary while secretly dishonestly stacking the deck to give a favored candidate the win before even the first primary is held. In that corrupt scenario the party chiefs decide who gets elected, not the American people.

 

[marke]

The high and might Democrats who insist Trump didn't win the election fairly seem to not know their history. Thank you for reminding everyone.
Oh, let's not forget Bill Clinton's meddling in Russia's election!

And B.O'Bama's interference in the Jewish elections.

 

[marke]

So it's all lies in your opinion? Sorry mate you'll have to do a whole lot better than mere opinion. Of course we could examine each of the republican convictions in turn if you like?

Democrats seek to jail republicans for every little thing while excusing democrats for the same sorts of things. That is a democrat political tactic and it is evil.

Take the matter of American political players in the Ukraine for example. We know there were at least three men involved in the same 'crime' for which Manafort was arrested in the middle of the night and unceremoniously thrown in jail for: Paul Manafort, Tony Podesta, and Robert Mueller. Manafort was burned by democrat prosecutors for his part while the rest were not touched even with kid gloves.

Democrats wanted Sessions to recuse and get out if their corrupt way, but they did not want Mueller to recuse himself in the Manafort case in spite of the fact that he was equally involved in the same crime for which Manafort was charged. Go figger.

 

[CriticalThought]

And B.O'Bama's interference in the Jewish elections.

Did he use the state to hack servers and leak e-mails? Did he create thousands of social media accounts to promote fake news stories generated by state media sources to promote one candidate over another?

Your minimizing is amusing, but it betrays your own insecurities. Had you acknowledged the full extent of Russian interference and not followed up with faulty comparisons, you could have made an argument, but it is clear on some emotional level you are as concerned with Trump's legitimacy as he is.

 

[marke]

You argue the extent of Russian interference in the 2016 election was to "take out ads"?

Was there proof of something else? No.

 

[marke]

Did he use the state to hack servers and leak e-mails?

Obama used the state to spy on innocent Americans and to unmask hundreds of those it illegally spied upon. Hopefully, Congress will finally be calling Samantha Power to give testimony as to why she was used by Obama to commit that crime.

Did he create thousands of social media accounts to promote fake news stories generated by state media sources to promote one candidate over another?

Computer geeks hired by the DNC claimed Russians hacked the dirty DNC emails and exposed the fact that the DNC corrupted the democrat primary, removing the responsibility for the outcome from the American people and giving it to their handpicked corrupt candidate. It was after the computer geeks were hired by the democrats and falsely blamed the Russians for the initial leaks and then supposedly secured the DNC servers from future hacks that some unknown DNC insider stole more email records and gave them to Assange.

No federal investigators ever verified the story put out by the democrat geek hirelings by examining the servers themselves like they should have done.

 

[marke]

Your minimizing is amusing, but it betrays your own insecurities. Had you acknowledged the full extent of Russian interference and not followed up with faulty comparisons, you could have made an argument, but it is clear on some emotional level you are as concerned with Trump's legitimacy as he is.

You list no irrefutable facts. I do not accept lying tales from corrupt democrat deceiver propagandists. I must see proof.

 

[What if...?]

What is pathetic is the fact that democrats refuse to deal with clear democrat collusion with Russia to pervert a presidential election while refusing to let go the lie that Trump supposedly colluded with Russia to influence an election.

Well, he said with words he would take any information that would help him from any foreign government, so it wasn't from any moral position.

 

[What if...?]

Maybe so. But at least condemn politicians for dirty things they have done ( like use information from foreign sources to investigate the 2016 Republican nominee for president) as opposed to what they HYPOTHETICALLY might do (like use foreign information to investigate the 2020 Democratic candidate for president).

Trump did use Bannon's baby Cambridge Analytica, which was based in London.

So there's that.

 

[haymarket]

Nothing happened between Russia and Trump in 2016.

Cue the TWILIGHT ZONE theme song.

 

[haymarket]

Kennedy's collusion with the Russians is an established fact. Trump's supposed collusions with the Russians is a bold-faced dummass democrat lie.

Its neat that your post comes with an audio of the TWILIGHT ZONE theme. Ot it should.