Define assault weapon

[DebateChallenge]

That is up to the duly elected representatives of the American people. If a person wants to use military weapons they should join our fine military. If they want to use weapons police are given, take up that career.

So if I want to have access to a KA-BAR USMC knife should I have to be a marine? After all, it is a weapon used by marines. Or, as a private citizen should I be able to buy a KA-BAR USMC knife at a sporting goods or outfitter store? Do you want to ban the sale of knives to private citizens?

 

[Cardinal]

Then I don't care if you don't give your answer for the definition of an assault weapon. As such, any further conversation with you is pointless.

You would have loved my definition of "assault weapon." But you can't even define "green" so now you don't get to hear it.

 

[DebateChallenge]

You would have loved my definition of "assault weapon." But you can't even define "green" so now you don't get to hear it.

You can't say I would've loved your definition. As for defining green Green | Definition of Green by Merriam-Webster

 

[Cardinal]

You can't say I would've loved your definition. As for defining green Green | Definition of Green by Merriam-Webster

Those definitions apply to things that we already consider green, but none of them get to the heart of what green is in the first place.

 

[KevinKohler]

Failed - meaning what?

Didn't ban anything, did restrict anything, didn't prevent...anything. Too vague in some areas, too specific in others, people simply worked around it. Its why it was allowed to expire.

 

[KevinKohler]

No, it WAS successful. How many mass shootings with such weaponry were there during that period?

During what period? From the 80s to 94? Mass shooting meaning, any shooting involving 4 or more victims?

 

[KevinKohler]

Those definitions apply to things that we already consider green, but none of them get to the heart of what green is in the first place.

Green is a color.


There, defined. And he'll, almost as vague as the 94 weapons ban law.

 

[Cardinal]

Green is a color.


There, defined. And he'll, almost as vague as the 94 weapons ban law.

Right, so define that color.

 

[DebateChallenge]

Green is a color.


There, defined. And he'll, almost as vague as the 94 weapons ban law.

Cardinal just sets the typical example that most people set who don't like guns.

 

[TurtleDude]

And I think cops shouldn't have full auto weapons.

I use civilian law enforcement as a bright line. If a state or federal agency issues a firearm to a civilian employee, I apply estoppel to that agency concerning civilian ownership of that type of firearm

 

[DebateChallenge]

And I think cops shouldn't have full auto weapons.

The only cops that do have access to full autos, that Im aware of, are cops in special divisions such as SWAT.

 

[TurtleDude]

We're talking about velocity. Your hunting rifle is for taking down large animals at long range. Assault rifles are taking down lots of people at short range: these are bush guns and their velocity gives them much more fire power. They were and are designed for heavy combat.

:lamo

complete BS once again. and we aren't talking about assault rifles, the new sales of those have been banned some 1986 even though no one has ever been murdered by a legally owned assault rifle in private hands in the USA EVER

 

[TurtleDude]

I agree, yet the law specifically exempts LEOs (even while off-duty) from compliance.

which is contrary to the constitution

 

[TurtleDude]

Difference is I did not own any of those scary firearms in 94, I do now and will continue to ban or not, I only care based on principle and the rights of future generations.

The founders did not need to be experts on ballistics but they obviously believed in our right to bear arms.

LOL why on Earth would I waste my time you not shown any ability to learn when others have provided you with the facts I doubt anything changed there

If you ever need the obviously wrong position on anything to do with firearms, consult that poster.He is mad he cannot own scary looking firearms in the nanny state of California and he wants to spread that misery.

Claiming AR 15s are designed for "HEAVY COMBAT" is one of the most stupid statements I have seen in 40 years of dealing with the most dishonest movement in the USA-the anti gun movement

 

[TurtleDude]

You've not the slightest idea what you're talking about dude. Maybe you should research what you preach before you make ridiculous comments.

The genocide of Irony meters is underway with that comment.

 

[TurtleDude]

Why do gun people always demand that the rest of us pass a definition test before gun control can be discussed?

Because most of the anti gun left is so completely clueless about the subject, no intelligent discussion can take place

 

[TurtleDude]

And why must I pass this exercise?

Because he wants to avoid the fact that he most likely has no idea what say a blow back action is compared to a locked breach or why AR 15s are really no different than the almost a million MI Carbines the DCM sold to US citizens

 

[TurtleDude]

Alright, according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, "fine art" is art (such as painting, sculpture, or music) concerned primarily with the creation of beautiful objects —usually used in plural, objects of fine art, or an activity requiring a fine skill.

I don't see what this random exercise has to do with this discussion but there's your definition.

It is merely more proof that almost all anti gun advocates come by their position purely due to the way gun owners vote, rather than these anti gun advocates actually having a clue about firearms and firearms usage. They are left-wingers, they don't like the fact that most gun advocates are voting for Republicans

 

[TurtleDude]

You "must" pass it because most of the time he's asked a question he doesn't want to answer, he plays a childish game of "NO! YOU answer MY question first!!"

You should just take it as his concession, because that's what it effectively is.

several of the most persistent, but least informed, gun banners, constantly play that game

 

[TurtleDude]

Those would fall under gas operated, they use the gas from the round to drive a piston.

we could start a discussion about whether direct impingement is a better system for a 556 rifle compared to piston driven.

 

[Wayne Jr]

I respectfully disagree with this position.

If you were to say that these weapons should be made available for folks to use at appropriate places, sure. And available to be used during times of need, sure.

But an M60 in every house? Nope. M16, M4? Nope. Those weapons, when used as designed (full auto, spray and pray), apply collateral damage as a function of its use. That is not acceptable to me.

The M60 is not an Assault Rifle but I carried an M249 as a self-defense gun for a year. Spery&prey is not how you use full-auto in the first place, so it seems the challenge in discussing this with you is your relatively low basis of knowledge on the topic.

 

[TurtleDude]

You mean when Scalia said that the second amendment was NOT an unlimited right? Did HE know what he was talking about?

Was he a ballistics expert?

He was trying to keep an erratic Justice Kennedy on board, after Stevens claimed that the Scalia decision would strike down the Gun control Act of 68's ban on felons owning firearms. Scalia also was worried that restricting the commerce clause to its proper boundaries would lead to the destruction of many of the new deal institutions that people have become reliant on and doing so would cause social upheaval/ So Scalia put in that dicta to keep Kennedy on board. And he was right in the sense that state governments, at that time-PRIOR TO MCDONALD-had some police powers that would not be constitutional at a federal level

 

[TurtleDude]

Scalia said that the second was not an unlimited right. Did he know what he was talking about? Did he care?

you know what he meant by that, and it had nothing to do with a fictitious federal power to ban commonly owned civilian firearms -the ones you want to ban because you aren't trusted to own them

 

[TurtleDude]

Its pointless to discuss stuff with Cardinal, he disagrees with the dictionary.

Best to ignore posts that aren't made in good faith

 

[Wayne Jr]

Which would be?

3rnd burst is for relatively untrained troops in close quarters battle where they need to stop a threat instantly but haven't been given the trigger-time necessary to develop their skill to the point that it can be done with single shots.

Full-auto in an Assault Rifle is for stopping cars charging at you and whatnot.