Dear Boys: We Hate You

[Idiometer]

Every one of us who have tried to speak up for young men only to be ignored or shouted down or encouraged to feel ashamed for trying to talk about the issue knows better.

Knows better about what? What do you expect society to DO about this?

 

[Idiometer]

It's not really blaming feminists it's blaming misogynist misanthropes that call themselves feminists. Feminism is over everything they ever wanted to accomplish has been accomplished. This is why we see misanthropes calling themselves feminists

Everything they wanted to accomplished, they've done? Really? Then why do they still only earn 69 cents on the dollar?

Seriously, I don't think you have the slightest clue about feminism. Misogynists? You make no sense.

 

[Idiometer]

The feminists who are clearly out to depower males and who have focused their efforts on the young so that they can mold the male that they think we need.....these abusers who claim to be speaking for women and the needs of women only have power to do so because women generally refuse to condemn the effort, we dont get much of "These assholes dont speak for me!".....so ya, I do tend to blame women generally.

I blame the men too for what has happened, but women own the feminists.

Like CLAX1911, you seem clueless about feminism. There's a chip on your shoulder the size of an elephant.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

ohh...just reading it again...

Trust me, I am not a homophobe, far from it.
For one thing, the business I have been in for the past thirty-five years would make being a homophobe not only virtually impossible but a nightmare if it was possible.
I'm a Director of Photography, although I am sort of semi-retired against my will due to failing eyesight at age 62, still good enough to drive but maybe no longer good enough for professional cinematography.



Anyway, what I was getting at is, if you work in the industry, you're surrounded by a ton of really talented gay people.
If you cannot get along with gay people in this business you're going to be miserable, and that's not to say every gay person in the film industry is a delight to be around, but most of them are just like anybody else and they are easy to get along with.
And just as with the fashion business, this business is a magnet for creative people, and creative gay people are just creative people who happen to be gay.
And I've been around them and been friends with a crap ton of them for half my life.

But the very worst thing to encounter, especially IF you ARE a gay person, is the self loathing closeted type. And that warning comes from my gay friends.
It is the reason why the overwhelming majority of them want gay people to be "out" and not in the closet.
Your rights die in darkness but more importantly, so does your safety and security too.

So no, I am not a homophobe, I'm a straight brother who supports my gay co-workers and friends.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

articulate? he said FreeMan... not freman... :lol: LOOK IN A MIRROR!!!

He changed it after I pointed out. Thanks for joining the conversation late and looking like an idiot.

What a weak response... and those that thanked you should feel even more feeble...

It's the exact right response. The OP claimed feminists are completely responsible for fathers walking out, our poor education system and the lack of jobs. If you can defend or explain that nonsense, go ahead and try. So far you've contributed nothing at all to the conversation.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Like CLAX1911, you seem clueless about feminism. There's a chip on your shoulder the size of an elephant.

Idio, you don't have a fart's chance in a windstorm. I'd say maybe two dozen people have tried to enlighten this guy about what feminism really is and it's not that he doesn't get it, he WON'T get it.
If it was just like the scene in City Slickers where the guy just couldn't understand programming your VCR, it would be one thing.
But no, it's more like he's saying "the fact that you're trying to explain programming a VCR to me means you're one of THEM and YOU are evil, too."
And then when he has run out of counter-arguments or handy dandy deflections, he claims you're being rude, which of course, if you're NOT originally being rude, will probably inspire you to BECOME rude. I don't hide the fact that I am being rude when I am, I want the person to know it.
But if I am not being rude and someone continually accuses me of it, I guarantee you I'll be rude to you forever, you earned it.

(And he has...)

So best of luck to you but I sincerely doubt you can make any headway. This is a handful of people who decided a long time ago that the females of the world owe them a genuflect and a nickel, and that feminism is defined by hatred of men.
Hatred of men is defined by hatred of men because hatred is defined by hatred.
Feminism is just women who want the same things everybody else wants, what any man would want, and for all the same reasons.
It doesn't mean that they want to be men, it just means that they want the same square deal as men.

But he won't get it, he never will, his very existence depends on him not getting it, ever.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Knows better about what? What do you expect society to DO about this?

You absolutely will not be able to get an answer out of him. He won't even defend the dumbass assertions in his own OP about how feminists are the cause of all his problems, so expecting him to provide a solution of some kind is wishful thinking. The point of this thread was to whine woe-is-me about how everyone else is responsible for his life sucking.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Like CLAX1911, you seem clueless about feminism. There's a chip on your shoulder the size of an elephant.

I started to see modern feminism back 1984-1985 as I lived with a gaggle of self professed radical dyke feminists at the Hedrick House co-op at Michigan State University. They liked me enough to invite me to hang out with them at the gay bars where they often met up with the fellow radical dyke feminsts, many of whom lived at the other housing co-ops. I was a liberal then you see, a self professed feminist with a somewhat radical bent myself as I was getting deep into Zen at that point which was a ****ing radical thing to do in 1984.... anyways one of the feminists I lived with took a real interest in me, we had a thing were we would go together to listen to folk music artists, her girlfriend who also lived in the house did not like that sort of thing plus she was a Vet student and had time issues because that was a demanding field of study. What I am telling you is that I was on the inside way back then, I know damn well what I am talking about, I listened as they talked amoungst themselves on where they wanted feminism to go, I listened to how much hate they had for men generally....and then over the years I watched feminism go exactly in the direction they had wanted to go. By the early 90's the radical dyke contingent of the feminist movement had won, the conservatives and all other non-conformist to their ideology were driven out.

 

[Tangmo]

Oh this is very serious business.....look at all of the incoming fire I have taken already..... and we are just getting started.

Truth Tellers are most certainly not wanted here, can not be tolerated here.

You're wrong which means your record remains 100% intact and secure. You couldn't be better at that, as it were.

It's just fact that anyone who opens a thread would need to be ready to argue the points -- point by point -- as well as discuss the larger setting and context of the topic. An OP does indeed welcome posts in general and engages posters willingly, thoughtfully, articulately. Reading your posts however it becomes obvious you need to be better at this starting a thread thingy than you have been so far, which is pretty far into it at this point. Your posts have instead been belly aching and complaints led by the abysmal tact that you're not going to waste your time stating your case to the participating posters because we're hopeless waifs. Or some same or similar dismissal of points. So my statement to you as the thread OP is to man up and post accordingly thx. Cause if the kitchen's all filled up with heat you'd need to call in replacements. Or quit and close it up.

 

[Idiometer]

Peterson is right you know that young males are actively encouraged to not step up, to not take their place in society...under the claim that males have too much power and that young generations of males must be suppressed to level the playing field.

The Three problems for me here are:
1) women are equals or better now

2) males have no problem generally with equality, so why all the force/abuse?

3) THis is the feminists setting the agenda to administer abuse to whole generations of males, which rightfully earns them the death penalty....both for the abuse and for being complete liars about how they exist to minister to the victims of this society.....They are in fact the abusers of this society now.

The feminists have had far too much power with far too little oversight which has resulted in what that almost always nets...corruption and abuse.

It is time to get better, and a part of that has to be the feminists either reforming or going away.

I prefer the going away option.

Justice Demands.

:violin

 

[calamity]

https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/07/...qz2X8me34MGwKFKXSrrqMKZ2Cz734tRenda5U31E0O6UU

This abuse of males that has long been going on that the feminists insist we not talk about has to be over.

After that maybe the feminists have to be over.

This that we are doing is way wrong.

The feminists are the problem.

I like girls more than boys. You?

 

[Hawkeye10]

You're wrong which means your record remains 100% intact and secure. You couldn't be better at that, as it were.

It's just fact that anyone who opens a thread would need to be ready to argue the points -- point by point -- as well as discuss the larger setting and context of the topic. An OP does indeed welcome posts in general and engages posters willingly, thoughtfully, articulately. Reading your posts however it becomes obvious you need to be better at this starting a thread thingy than you have been so far, which is pretty far into it at this point. Your posts have instead been belly aching and complaints led by the abysmal tact that you're not going to waste your time stating your case to the participating posters because we're hopeless waifs. Or some same or similar dismissal of points. So my statement to you as the thread OP is to man up and post accordingly thx. Cause if the kitchen's all filled up with heat you'd need to call in replacements. Or quit and close it up.

I dont work for you.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I like girls more than boys. You?

I have an obligation to young men to speak up against their oppression by this society.

 

[Idiometer]

Yes, yes...we met already, remember?
No, not in real life, but I read your stuff and you read mine.
I know what you do to make your day interesting.

I've just had a long succession of girlfriends and two wives who have all been badasses in their own way, somehow. Whatever it is, apparently a "Jeff girlfriend" or a "Jeff wife" is some kind of a "type" and they all share some kind of characteristics in common.

Not talking about the women I got into casual things with, talking about my long term relationships.
I might be tempted to say that there is one girl, a Diane from back in the 1970's, who might be the root of it all because it seems all the girls in my long term relationships and both marriages all share at least one or two things in common with Diane in Minneapolis.

You know how it is, if your first real serious long term relationship had a lot of fond memories, you sort of keep that in a special place in your mind, or your heart, I guess. So I guess unconsciously I wound up seeking out women who had at least one or two things in common with her afterward.

Well, Diane in her own way was something of a badass, although she called herself a "daredevil" instead.
So I guess ever since, when I meet a girl who is something of a daredevil or who possesses some kind of badass credentials, I guess I am impressed.

It sounds to me like you prefer strong women. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Peter King]

It is not about me, it is about the low quality oppressed young men we are turning out these days, just one more thing that we suck at now, but a biggy.

Please try to focus, this is important.

tyvm

Boys do not need a father, they need a loving and supportive home with positive role models. Having a father is no guarantee for anything.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Boys do not need a father, they need a loving and supportive home with positive role models. Having a father is no guarantee for anything.

When you respond to a quote the response should have something to do with the quote.

 

[Idiometer]

The Universal Hot Crazy Matrix.

You're welcome.

Is this guy for real? Does he get paid for this? He doesn't see women as human beings.

Why do homely, pudgy (or outright obese) men think they deserve "hot" women?

 

[Aristaeus]

I have an obligation to young men to speak up against their oppression by this society.

You have to be deluded and ignorant to think men are the oppressed sex in society.

 

[Hawkeye10]

You have to be deluded and ignorant to think men are the oppressed sex in society.

It takes very little observation of what goes on in our schools and the Failed University to figure out that they are.

 

[Peter King]

When you respond to a quote the response should have something to do with the quote.

Well, I will decide what I write, especially because I responding about something you wrote in your OP. And it has to do with your claim of oppressed men being turned out today, which as you stated had to do with (among others) not having dads. So IMO I am writing something that has to do with your bogus claim.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Well, I will decide what I write, especially because I am quoting something from your OP. And it has to do with your claim of oppressed men being turned out today, which as you stated had to do with (among others) not having dads.

Actually what I have said is that all too often men fail to do right by boys, so many dads are physically in the home but are nearly useless.... so you have misunderstood.

 

[marke]

You better quit putting words in my mouth if you know what's good for you.

When I ask you what you believe I am asking you to put words in your own mouth for your own good.

 

[marke]

I'm going to stop you there.

Nobody gives a shit about the "wisdom" of a fictional character. I don't preach the wisdom of Gandalf.

There is no such thing as a "God." I pity people who get suckered into bronze age superstition.

Yes, some poor souls are to be pitied.

 

[Peter King]

Actually what I have said is that all too often men fail to do right by boys, so many dads are physically in the home but are nearly useless.... so you have misunderstood.

From your OP:

give them their fathers back

Nowhere did it say that they were physically present but not being there for their sons.

 

[calamity]

I'm going to stop you there.

Nobody gives a shit about the "wisdom" of a fictional character. I don't preach the wisdom of Gandalf.

There is no such thing as a "God." I pity people who get suckered into bronze age superstition.

“Preach the Wisdom of Gandalf” :lol: I’m going to use that one, for sure.