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Daytona 500 Wreck

calamity said:
I’m only disputing the definition of “broke.” The “seatbelt broke” was originally presented as though the cause of death resulted from a failure of the safety restraint system. This was not what actually happened. Improper use of the safety restraint system caused the death. You can’t really say “the seatbelt broke,” if it was never properly used to begin with.
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You simply asserted that the seatbelt did not break which was not reality. Then you went on to try and assert that since the seatbelt was installed incorrectly that it didnt break; but it did break.

The seatbelt breaking was one of the factors in the wreck that took Dale's life. Im not the other poster, stop pretending that I should take up his position.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
You simply asserted that the seatbelt did not break which was not reality. Then you went on to try and assert that since the seatbelt was installed incorrectly that it didnt break; but it did break.

The seatbelt breaking was one of the factors in the wreck that took Dale's life. Im not the other poster, stop pretending that I should take up his position.
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Improper use of seatbelt caused the death. Period.
 
bongsaway said:
Yes that's fine with me. My point was all of the folks who don't support some form of healthcare change for the better are basically getting most of their insurance from their employers. What if the employer one day said, company healthcare gone, can't afford it anymore. Do you think those folks would then be more open to reforming healthcare or still say oh well, I'll bite the bullet and pay the expensive premiums from private healthcare. My guess, many couldn't afford it.
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I personally do not know anyone who is against reforming healthcare for the better. The need for reform in 2008 was a given. My point, once again is that the so-called Affordable Healthcare Act was not reform. It was a virtual takeover of the healthcare industry. What should have happened was both the democrat party and the republican party working together to come up with reform that both parties and the majority of Americans could live with. Unfortunately that is not what happened. I don't have a dog in this hunt as I am no longer affected by the ACA, and I am on VA Care and now at 66, have the option of Medicare however there are those in the lower middle class who simply cannot afford health insurance under the ACA. Not everyone works for a fortune 500 company willing to provide nearly free healthcare. Small businesses simply cannot afford it.
 
ObamacareFail said:
I personally do not know anyone who is against reforming healthcare for the better. The need for reform in 2008 was a given. My point, once again is that the so-called Affordable Healthcare Act was not reform. It was a virtual takeover of the healthcare industry. What should have happened was both the democrat party and the republican party working together to come up with reform that both parties and the majority of Americans could live with. Unfortunately that is not what happened. I don't have a dog in this hunt as I am no longer affected by the ACA, and I am on VA Care and now at 66, have the option of Medicare however there are those in the lower middle class who simply cannot afford health insurance under the ACA. Not everyone works for a fortune 500 company willing to provide nearly free healthcare. Small businesses simply cannot afford it.
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Option of medicare? You get it at sixty five, no option. That government takeover directed tons of business into the private sector. I am on medicare so basically I have no dog in this either. However I'm for the people who don't work at fortune five hundred companies but at a small business. Those folks get overlooked.

Our for profit healthcare system first and foremost is out to make a profit and as long as that continues there will be americans who will never be able to afford healthcare. Go to the emergency room does nothing but make others healthcare costs go up. So that argument is ridiculous.
 
bongsaway said:
Option of medicare? You get it at sixty five, no option.
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I am not signed up for it. VA care now covers pretty much everything Medicare does.

That government takeover directed tons of business into the private sector.
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No...it did not. Many exchanges opened hoping to compete for business, however most of them have failed.

I am on medicare so basically I have no dog in this either. However I'm for the people who don't work at fortune five hundred companies but at a small business. Those folks get overlooked.
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And they still get overlooked. And many make too much money to get the obamacare subsidy.

Our for profit healthcare system first and foremost is out to make a profit
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Ofcourse it is. Doctors do not go to college for 8 to 16 years just to give their services away and hospitals are not in it just for charity.

and as long as that continues there will be americans who will never be able to afford healthcare. Go to the emergency room does nothing but make others healthcare costs go up. So that argument is ridiculous.
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That statement is ridiculous. If we were to remove the profit motive from healthcare, there would be much much less healthcare available. We would have government bean counters deciding how many hospitals to build, how many doctors and nurses to hire, how much high tech diagnostic equipment to buy, etc. The result would be rationed healthcare like they have in the UK and Canada. For profit healthcare would work without overbearing government regulation and interference. It has in the past. When I was in my twenties, I did not make alot of money, yet I barely noticed the deductions from my paychecks for health insurance. Health insurance becoming prohibitively expensive coincided with government tinkering. Everytime they tried to fix healthcare, they made it more expensive, starting with the HMOs. Add to that, the cost of runaway frivolous medical malpractice lawsuits. For profit healthcare will work again, once reform is based on market forces that spur competiton. Obamacare missed the boat on that. With it, there was no incentive to compete. At least until the repeal of the individual mandate, they had a captive customer base. Why offer competitive pricing?
 
calamity said:
Leading on the final lap, Ryan Newman gets bumped. The result is pretty bad.



Ryan Newman rushed to hospital after fiery crash late in Daytona 500
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I will do my best. Couldn’t find another NASCAR thread so this one gets bumped. The NASCAR statement that just came out moments ago ‘bans confederate flags’ at all events. COVID and RACE continue to dominate our consciences.

The white drivers deserve positive recognition here. I really am heartened. Bubba Wallace has been instrumental. Sure, they’ll lose fans, but not for long. This is their sport. And, they’ll gain fans.

I expect the other sports leagues to follow. And, I agree with Wilbon right now that the Owners are Gutless and Afraid.
 
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Linc said:
I will do my best. Couldn’t find another NASCAR thread so this one gets bumped. The NASCAR statement that just came out moments ago ‘bans confederate flags’ at all events. COVID and RACE continue to dominate our consciences.

The white drivers deserve positive recognition here. I really am heartened. Bubba Wallace has been instrumental. Sure, they’ll lose fans, but not for long. This is their sport. And, they’ll gain fans.

I expect the other sports leagues to follow. And, I agree with Wilbon right now that the Owners are Gutless and Afraid.
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Sticking that rag in the trash heap is long overdue.
 
calamity said:
Sticking that rag in the trash heap is long overdue.
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Im gonna stay straight-up positive on this one. Over two weeks of mostly peaceful protests have had a profound effect on the professional sports world. It’s evolving. Some call it organic. I call it ‘I’m happy to see it at my age of 66’.
 
eohrnberger said:
Holy Crap! Yeah, his shorts got brown on that one.
Greatest save? Or the greatest luck? I'm thinking the latter.
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He just saved himself about 300 grand, I'm thinking.
My buddy just purchased THIS!

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Yes, it IS the car formerly owned by Michael Waltrip and Dale Jr.
And HE just saw that clip and .... well.... let's just say he was talking a hot streak for a moment! 🤣🤣🤣
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
He just saved himself about 300 grand, I'm thinking.
My buddy just purchased THIS!

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Yes, it IS the car formerly owned by Michael Waltrip and Dale Jr.
And HE just saw that clip and .... well.... let's just say he was talking a hot streak for a moment! 🤣🤣🤣
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Woah! Now that should be fun on the track. Is it the road course configuration? Or the super speedway configuration?
 
eohrnberger said:
Woah! Now that should be fun on the track. Is it the road course configuration? Or the super speedway configuration?
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I'll probably see him on my other social media today and I'll ask but I suspect he's going to do super speedway stuff with it.
He's coming over from drag racing, so it may be interesting to see his evolution.
He was an excellent mechanic even in junior high school, where I first met him and I've known his wife since first grade.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I'll probably see him on my other social media today and I'll ask but I suspect he's going to do super speedway stuff with it.
He's coming over from drag racing, so it may be interesting to see his evolution.
He was an excellent mechanic even in junior high school, where I first met him and I've known his wife since first grade.
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Nice!
 
NASCAR has put an end to the Elliot-Harvick feud. We’ll see …
 
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