Current Attempts to destroy Gun rights in Congress

[Fledermaus]

I personally wouldn't leave the US just to play with bang bangs, but some folks act like it's the end of the world if they can't carry a Howitzer into KMart. You can do that sort of thing in Somalia, minus the KMart part. I think that they closed those everywhere.

A quick note.

I have no desire nor need for a semiautomatic rifle (assault rifle/weapon/gun to the gun haters) except for a Ruger 10-22.

I have actually divested my self of a few firearms over time.

I haven't bought a new one in well over thirty years.

I just don't like the idea of my rights being assaulted by haters.

 

[Helix]

A quick note.

I have no desire nor need for a semiautomatic rifle (assault rifle/weapon/gun to the gun haters) except for a Ruger 10-22.

I have actually divested my self of a few firearms over time.

I haven't bought a new one in well over thirty years.

I just don't like the idea of my rights being assaulted by haters.

I got my most recent gun in 1989. 0.22 LR. Might get another eventually.

 

[TypicalRussian]

England hasn't had an absolute monarchy since 1649

They beheaded Charles I

Since then monarchs of England/Britain have been Constitutional monarchs

(There was the English Revolution in 1688 to depose his son Btw)

France has had 5 republics since their revolution - they have what's called a "Unitary semi-presidential constitutional republic"
Their form of government is parliamentary




OK, name one

Name a single western democracy that mirrors the US form of government - where the head of state is also the head of government.

They all follow the British parliamentary system


No-one copies the US system, because it's proven itself so bad.

The system of DEMOCRACY, not the parliamentary system. England's kings and queens still had power, up until at;east the 20th century. France had a republic after the US as well as any other country

How is our system bad?

 

[Fledermaus]

I got my most recent gun in 1989. 0.22 LR. Might get another eventually.

Rifle or pistol?

I have a H&R 999 revolver that is a joy to shoot. Except everyone shoots better with it than I could. In rifles my favorite is a. 22 lever action. The same Henry puts out.

 

[Helix]

Rifle or pistol?

I have a H&R 999 revolver that is a joy to shoot. Except everyone shoots better with it than I could. In rifles my favorite is a. 22 lever action. The same Henry puts out.

Rifle. Great gun. I need to clean it up. I have some antiques, as well. I'm lucky that one of them didn't really **** me up when I was eleven. Single shot that didn't seal correctly even after being restored. I still have it.

 

[calamity]

All the sponsors currently are Democrats. The chance of this getting passed is almost zero, but it shows what many Democrats want to impose on this Country

Text - H.R.5717 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Gun Violence Prevention and Community Safety Act of 2020 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

the biggest joke is listing hundreds of firearms-many of which are obsolete and no longer relevant as NOT banned.

Good. And, even better since this comes at a time that the NRA is weak.

NRA slashes pay, lays off staff amid coronavirus fears - New York Daily News

 

[Rich2018]

The system of DEMOCRACY, not the parliamentary system. England's kings and queens still had power, up until at;east the 20th century....

Technical power perhaps

You're confusing power and influence


When did a British monarch exercise any power since William III ? (who became king in 1688)

How is our system bad?

The biggest mistake of the founders, IMO, was not to divorce the head of government with the head of state.
This produces from time to time, political inertia with lame duck presidents like Obama in his second term


You said:

and since America was so successful, other countries set up the same thing

I said this is wrong

I can't think of any Westernized democracy that uses the US political system as a model


Can you ?

 

[TypicalRussian]

Technical power perhaps

You're confusing power and influence


When did a British monarch exercise any power since William III ? (who became king in 1688)






The biggest mistake of the founders, IMO, was not to divorce the head of government with the head of state.
This produces from time to time, political inertia with lame duck presidents like Obama in his second term


You said:





I said this is wrong

I can't think of any Westernized democracy that uses the US political system as a model


Can you ?

King George III speaks to Parliament of American rebellion - HISTORY

It is very clear that Kings had power in Britain until the 20th Century

Congress and the Presidency works for America where has a parliamentary system works for European countries who has had it for a long time

We are talking about a Constitution, the bill of rights, the foundation of liberty and democracy. A parliament is not a democracy, that parliament could censor free speech. THAT is what America inspired

 

[Rich2018]

It is very clear that Kings had power in Britain until the 20th Century

As I said, you're confusing power and influence

George III (before he went mad) had no political power.

Congress and the Presidency works for America where has a parliamentary system works for European countries who has had it for a long time

So you admit that the USA's political system is not used by ANY Westernized democracy

Australia, NZ ans Canada all use a parliamentary system and they're younger than the USA

Japan also has a parliamentary system with a prime minister and an emperor as head of state


The presidential system of government doesn't work well even for the USA, it's just the system the founders stuck the USA with

We are talking about a Constitution, the bill of rights, the foundation of liberty and democracy. A parliament is not a democracy, that parliament could censor free speech. THAT is what America inspired

Have you not heard the term "parliamentary democracy" ?


"A parliamentary system or parliamentary democracy is a system of democratic governance of a state (or subordinate entity) where the executive derives its democratic legitimacy from its ability to command the confidence of the legislature, typically a parliament, and is also held accountable to that parliament."


Parliamentary system - Wikipedia


You might be thinking of the UK which has no written constitution.

Other parliamentary democracies eg: Ireland, Germany and Japan do. So their parliaments can't just strike down a part of the national constitution



You've never studied politics beyond high school social studies have you ?

 

[pinqy]

Good. And, even better since this comes at a time that the NRA is weak.

NRA slashes pay, lays off staff amid coronavirus fears - New York Daily News

What do you consider good about the bill? Licensing doesn’t make any sense or serve any legitimate purpose, and the “assault weapons” ban is a joke in that it bans based on cosmetic features and not performance Example: the Ruger mini-14 tactical and the Ruger AR556 Fire the same caliber at the same rate of fire from the same length barrel with the same capacity etc, yet the mini-14 is named as exempt while the AR556 is specifically banned.

 

[calamity]

What do you consider good about the bill? Licensing doesn’t make any sense or serve any legitimate purpose, and the “assault weapons” ban is a joke in that it bans based on cosmetic features and not performance Example: the Ruger mini-14 tactical and the Ruger AR556 Fire the same caliber at the same rate of fire from the same length barrel with the same capacity etc, yet the mini-14 is named as exempt while the AR556 is specifically banned.

They'll get to those next. Viva la Gun Control.

 

[TurtleDude]

They'll get to those next. Viva la Gun Control.

that's not an answer to his question,.

 

[calamity]

that's not an answer to his question,.

I wasn't talking to you. Was I?

 

[TurtleDude]

I wasn't talking to you. Was I?

I am curious why you believe that stupid gun law is so great

 

[pinqy]

They'll get to those next. Viva la Gun Control.

Why next? What’s the logic i exempting them? (Besides “they’re not scary looking)
Basically, my understanding of your position is you don’t care if the restrictions make sense or would do anything to reduce gun violence. I find that irrational.

 

[calamity]

Why next? What’s the logic i exempting them? (Besides “they’re not scary looking)
Basically, my understanding of your position is you don’t care if the restrictions make sense or would do anything to reduce gun violence. I find that irrational.

THe more guns we get off the street the better. That is very rational.

 

[TurtleDude]

THe more guns we get off the street the better. That is very rational.

The problem is-all the laws that gun banners support-only tend to remove guns in the hands of honest people. Gun banners-of course-hate lawful gun owners far more than criminals with guns because lawful gun owners vote against the political agenda of the anti gun advocates

 

[calamity]

The problem is-all the laws that gun banners support-only tend to remove guns in the hands of honest people. Gun banners-of course-hate lawful gun owners far more than criminals with guns because lawful gun owners vote against the political agenda of the anti gun advocates

We've discussed this before. Lots of so-called good guys with guns go bad. We see it all the time with domestic homicides.

 

[TurtleDude]

We've discussed this before. Lots of so-called good guys with guns go bad. We see it all the time with domestic homicides.

Less than 2k deaths a year. Not worth destroying the rights of millions. and those willing to kill-few would be deterred by any law since the law against murder didn't deter them. I don't believe most avid gun banners actually care about stopping a couple thousand deaths -they care more about harassing millions of people who don't buy into their political agendas

 

[VanceMack]

Because you apparently don't believe in state's rights. I suppose you could move to a real toe shootin' red state if you don't like California. I was recommending Somalia in case you wanted to go for the really big stuff.

So you support states rights to ban abortion? To ban gay marriage?

 

[justabubba]

Less than 2k deaths a year. Not worth destroying the rights of millions. and those willing to kill-few would be deterred by any law since the law against murder didn't deter them. I don't believe most avid gun banners actually care about stopping a couple thousand deaths -they care more about harassing millions of people who don't buy into their political agendas

OK, turtledude has named his price. unrestricted gun ownership is worth 2,000 lives per year

 

[TurtleDude]

OK, turtledude has named his price. unrestricted gun ownership is worth 2,000 lives per year

that's silly because there is no evidence that your desired bans would stop that. It is as dishonest as saying anyone who supports the current speed limit supports the thousands of deaths from traffic accidents

the point I was making is that with 100 million gun owners and 300 million citizens, 2000 deaths a year is minor compared to many other things that you don't want to stop

 

[TurtleDude]

We've discussed this before. Lots of so-called good guys with guns go bad. We see it all the time with domestic homicides.

You want to ban all good guys from having guns because they might cause problems. I support constitutional freedoms and I am more than suspicious as to your real motivations for wanting to ban guns

 

[jamesrage]

Boonies. Sold my place in the sticks and moved here.

I would imagine that democrats in the sticks or boonies tend to be a lot more pro-2nd amendment than their counterparts in the cities.

 

[jamesrage]

Do you know if there any major differences between the two versions?

Not really. The 2019-2020 version doesn't have any RINO co-sponsors in it.