Current Attempts to destroy Gun rights in Congress

[Captain America]

Perhaps...

The 99% of those gun totin’ pro-2A Democrats may be electing those people since they have already secured guns for themselves and simple want those elected people to prevent others from getting guns.

Roseann

Oh, no doubt. :roll:

I think you would have a brilliant career at FOX.

Have a nice weekend and stay well! :2wave:

 

[DebateChallenge]

What law exactly ?

I've been to public events where the President makes and appearance and a speech, you have to go through a security checkpoint where there's TSA and the Secret Service. There is all sorts of stuff they don't allow past that checkpoint, including guns. As for an exact law on the books, if you're that interested you can look it up yourself.

And if there is one (which I'm not sure there is) why is there such a law?

Why would the Secret Service enforce it ?

Do you think, they regard men openly carrying guns as a danger ?

Ask the government, its their law not mine.

So you admit to moving the goal posts ?
So you admit to not arguing honestly

First you say mass shootings ....and when you're proven to be wrong, you shift the goal posts to "high profile" mass shootings rather admit you're wrong
And even then you're still wrong

I might've moved goal posts but Im being honest and Im certainly not still wrong.

The Orlando shooting involved a Glock 17 in addition to a rifle

The Sandy Hook shooting involved a pistol in addition to a rifle

The recent Molson Coors, Milwaukee shooting involved two handguns

The recent Pensacola Naval base shooting involved just one handgun

The 2019 Virginia Beach shooting used two pistols


• Guns used in mass shootings 1982-2019 | Statista

Im talking about primary weapons, not all the weapons a shooter might have with them at the time of their shooting but the weapons they use the most, that they kill with the most. In the Orlando and Sandy Hook shootings the primary weapons were rifles. The Milwaukee, Pensacola, and Virginia Beach shootings might've involved just handguns but they're in the vast minority. And shootings where the primary weapons are long guns usually result in much higher death counts.

 

[Rich2018]

yep, any weapon that takes a detachable magazine can take one of higher capacity except in some rare cases-that any semi competent machinist can overcome

Proving that any definition of a type of hand gun is fraught with legal problems....just like trying to ban a breed of dangerous dog

You create a field day for lawyers

Which is why I say, that if the 2A was repealed and we got a total gun ban, I'd let the national executive make exceptions for type of gun like bolt action rifles, based on make/model # and not on some convoluted legal definition

And that might mean a team of lawyers spend a couple of weeks drawing up a list of every make/model of bolt action rifle available. But that's nothing compared to the time it takes to defend multiple legal actions

RF tried to nit pick a hole in this but as usual, only made himself look foolish.

 

[Rich2018]

Of course...

That's not a rifle.

 

[Rich2018]

....as for an exact law on the books, if you're that interested you can look it up yourself.

You made a claim, that guns are prohibited from presidential events by LAW

It seems that was another claim you pulled out of your @ss and yet more proof you don't know what you're talking about

Ask the government, its their law not mine.

Prove it is a law at all

You can't

I might've moved goal posts but Im being honest and Im certainly not still wrong.

Moving the goal posts is not an honest way of arguing

And you are still wrong
Hand guns are the dominant type of weapon is all kinds of shootings - as I have proven to you

Again you pull an unsubstantiated "fact" out of your @ss
Where your evidence that long guns out umber handguns in mass shootings of any kind....and do just go and cherry pick half a dozen mass shootings where a rifle was used and discard all the ones where a handgun was used

That's just cherry picking

Im talking about primary weapons, not all the weapons a shooter might have with them at the time of their shooting but the weapons they use the most, that they kill with the most. In the Orlando and Sandy Hook shootings the primary weapons were rifles. The Milwaukee, Pensacola, and Virginia Beach shootings might've involved just handguns but they're in the vast minority. And shootings where the primary weapons are long guns usually result in much higher death counts.

OK, show evidence that the PRIMARY weapon in mass shootings is a rifle
And don't go cherry picking.

 

[Fledermaus]

That's not a rifle.

Be afraid.....

 

[Rich2018]

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Be afraid.....

That one definitely is a rifle


The FN made Minimi (SAW - which seems to be being withdrawn, though I don't know why) can take M-16 mags, belts or it's own 100 or 200 round box magazines.

 

[TypicalRussian]

No I don't because I didn't and if you claim to "know it, that post it or stop your lies.




He was a victim - he lost throughout the movie

Crime was not shown to pay.


It was an origin story (so he can hardly die can he), if you think he was somehow a "winner" in that movie, you were watching a different movie or have some serious interpretation skills.

Joker was a victim of what?

Also you said it was a hip,skotch and step from concentration camp

 

[Rich2018]

Joker was a victim of what?

Society

He was even shown to be mugged by petty thugs at one point

He wanted to be loved but was anything but.

Here's part of the NY Times' review:


"That’s the Joker’s alter ego: a lonely, damaged man eking out an abject living as a clown-for-hire and living in a drab apartment with his mother...Fleck is bullied by thieving poor kids and drunken rich guys, goaded to the point of murder by the meanness of the world. He has a crush on a neighbor (Zazie Beetz) that he thinks might be reciprocated. He keeps a notebook full of stand-up material and works up the nerve to go onstage at a nightclub open-mic night...
...But he also carries the burden of being a victimized Everyman in a parable that can’t get its story straight. Arthur’s uncontrollable laughter arises from a medical condition that is possibly the result of childhood abuse. His profound alienation also arises from social inequality, the decline of civility, political corruption, television, government bureaucracy and a slew of other causes. Rich people are awful. Poor people are awful. Joker’s embrace of radical evil becomes a kind of integrity..."


‘Joker’ Review: Are You Kidding Me? - The New York Times


Joker was the victim, a "victimized everyman"



Tell me what you thought you were watching

Also you said it was a hip,skotch and step from concentration camp

Actually I said patriotism is akin to nationalism and that is just a hop, skip and a jump to totalitarian rule


And it's true, it is

Both Hitler and Mussolini came to power on a platform of nationalism.

 

[CharisRose]

Oh, no doubt. :roll:

I think you would have a brilliant career at FOX.

Have a nice weekend and stay well! :2wave:

Just a perhaps... There is clearly some room for doubt.

I’m way to happily retired to even consider a career at Fox.

Thank You Hoping you are having a nice weekend and staying well:2wave:

Roseann

 

[Razoo]

All the sponsors currently are Democrats. The chance of this getting passed is almost zero, but it shows what many Democrats want to impose on this Country

Text - H.R.5717 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Gun Violence Prevention and Community Safety Act of 2020 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

the biggest joke is listing hundreds of firearms-many of which are obsolete and no longer relevant as NOT banned.

Gun rights are not trying to be squashed that is a mischaracterization aka typical NRA blah blah blah. It is an effort to get assault weapons off the market the ones that have rapid fire capacity and truly are not necessary. Hunting weapons will still be available and most likely some revolver types.

 

[Rich2018]

Gun rights are not trying to be squashed that is a mischaracterization aka typical NRA blah blah blah. It is an effort to get assault weapons off the market the ones that have rapid fire capacity and truly are not necessary. Hunting weapons will still be available and most likely some revolver types.

Why not ban all revolvers too ?

Getting semi-auto guns off the market is only a half measure, there are tens of millions already in circulation.

 

[SoCal]

That's not a rifle.

That's not the point...

 

[TurtleDude]

Gun rights are not trying to be squashed that is a mischaracterization aka typical NRA blah blah blah. It is an effort to get assault weapons off the market the ones that have rapid fire capacity and truly are not necessary. Hunting weapons will still be available and most likely some revolver types.

what do you consider necessary pursuant to the Second Amendment. Given "assault weapons" are used in less than 2% of murders, why do the gun banners want to get rid of them>

 

[Rich2018]

That's not the point...

Yes it is, because in your post #318 you said:

...one of the features that define an AW is a ten round maximum magazine, I have no problem with this. If right-wing radicals believe they need more capacity to protect themselves from the hordes of non-whites spreading out from their ghetto's, intent on raping their wives, they can switch out a magazine....

So are you suggesting that hand guns can be regarded as "Assault Weapons" ?

 

[TypicalRussian]

Society

He was even shown to be mugged by petty thugs at one point

He wanted to be loved but was anything but.

Here's part of the NY Times' review:


"That’s the Joker’s alter ego: a lonely, damaged man eking out an abject living as a clown-for-hire and living in a drab apartment with his mother...Fleck is bullied by thieving poor kids and drunken rich guys, goaded to the point of murder by the meanness of the world. He has a crush on a neighbor (Zazie Beetz) that he thinks might be reciprocated. He keeps a notebook full of stand-up material and works up the nerve to go onstage at a nightclub open-mic night...
...But he also carries the burden of being a victimized Everyman in a parable that can’t get its story straight. Arthur’s uncontrollable laughter arises from a medical condition that is possibly the result of childhood abuse. His profound alienation also arises from social inequality, the decline of civility, political corruption, television, government bureaucracy and a slew of other causes. Rich people are awful. Poor people are awful. Joker’s embrace of radical evil becomes a kind of integrity..."


‘Joker’ Review: Are You Kidding Me? - The New York Times


Joker was the victim, a "victimized everyman"



Tell me what you thought you were watching





Actually I said patriotism is akin to nationalism and that is just a hop, skip and a jump to totalitarian rule


And it's true, it is

Both Hitler and Mussolini came to power on a platform of nationalism.

But the Joker BEAT society and became king of the clowns

He was victimized but he ended up being the winner.

Wrong, you claimed it was from DEATH CAMPS, not just totalitarian states? Any evidence too, Patriotism got america to NOT BE a tolilatarian state, there are many more examples, dont lie

 

[Rich2018]

But the Joker BEAT society and became king of the clowns

He was victimized but he ended up being the winner.

Says who ?


Just because you don't understand what you've watched, you probably think "Joker" was a DC Universe action movie". It wasn't

He was a victim. A loser.

But I guess you're entitled to your own, personal take on the movie
Just that you're on your own and have a different interpretation to the rest of the world.

If you dispute this, post a review stating that Joker was, in any way, a winner in the movie

Wrong, you claimed it was from DEATH CAMPS, not just totalitarian states? Any evidence too, Patriotism got america to NOT BE a tolilatarian state, there are many more examples, dont lie

What was from death camps?
More evidence of your word salad


How did patriotism get America to NOT be a totalitarian state ?
Are you suggesting that if Britain had won the Revolutionary War, the USA would today resemble Canada, Australia or New Zealand ?

You talk utter nonsense, apart from when you're lying of course.

 

[RF667799]

Says who ?


Just because you don't understand what you've watched, you probably think "Joker" was a DC Universe action movie". It wasn't

He was a victim. A loser.

But I guess you're entitled to your own, personal take on the movie
Just that you're on your own and have a different interpretation to the rest of the world.

If you dispute this, post a review stating that Joker was, in any way, a winner in the movie





What was from death camps?
More evidence of your word salad


How did patriotism get America to NOT be a totalitarian state ?
Are you suggesting that if Britain had won the Revolutionary War, the USA would today resemble Canada, Australia or New Zealand ?

You talk utter nonsense, apart from when you're lying of course.

Best if it is a youtube review. A youtube opinion that agrees with you is always the superior opinion,right?

 

[Rich2018]

what do you consider necessary pursuant to the Second Amendment. Given "assault weapons" are used in less than 2% of murders, why do the gun banners want to get rid of them>

Because they look scary and have been used in a few high profile mass shootings.

The UK banned semi-auto rifles in 1987 and still suffered a mass shooting at a school in 1996, committed with hand guns.


Moth need to be banned.

 

[SoCal]

Yes it is, because in your post #318 you said:




So are you suggesting that hand guns can be regarded as "Assault Weapons" ?

You pointed out that a rifle capable of taking a ten round magazine, can take high capacity magazine, which is true. My point was that high capacity magazines can also be used in a pistol.

If a pistol can accept a magazine with the same or more capacity than a long gun, yes...

 

[Rich2018]

You pointed out that a rifle capable of taking a ten round magazine, can take high capacity magazine, which is true. My point was that high capacity magazines can also be used in a pistol.

I suppose, if such high capacity magazines are commercially available for your gun

I still would call a pistol an "assault weapon" though

If a pistol can accept a magazine with the same or more capacity than a long gun, yes...

No, it's not

Important difference is range and also accuracy.


But, that's just my opinion, there is no "official" definition.

 

[SoCal]

[/I]ich2018;1071631505]I suppose, if such high capacity magazines are commercially available for your gun

I still would call a pistol an "assault weapon" though




No, it's not

Important difference is range and also accuracy.


But, that's just my opinion, there is no "official" definition.

Agree about the definition, you can't own anything larger than a 10 round magazine here. We'll have to agree to disagree about this one. I think the folks who claim they need a high cap mag, would love to have one for a "backup" when the hordes of non-whites invade their homes looking to take and sell their children into slavery. And if you're that close, who cares about accuracy?...

 

[TurtleDude]

Because they look scary and have been used in a few high profile mass shootings.

The UK banned semi-auto rifles in 1987 and still suffered a mass shooting at a school in 1996, committed with hand guns.


Moth need to be banned.

what do you have against moths? too many ruined wool sweaters?

 

[TurtleDude]

It is hilarious that someone admits that something that looks scary ought to be banned,. DOesn't Nancy Pelosi fit that description?

 

[DebateChallenge]

Prove it is a law at all

I've got nothing to prove, believe what you want.

Moving the goal posts is not an honest way of arguing

Maybe it just means we've got different goals.

And you are still wrong

No Im not.

Hand guns are the dominant type of weapon is all kinds of shootings - as I have proven to you

You're talking about shootings in general Im talking about high profile shootings where innocent people are killed, OH NOOOOO! IM MOVING GOALPOSTS! Or maybe we've just got different goals.

OK, show evidence that the PRIMARY weapon in mass shootings is a rifle
And don't go cherry picking.

Im not talking about shootings in general, see above.