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Cuomo sends in the National Guard in order to 'steal' upstate NY's medical supply

VanceMack said:
So you are OK when the Fed does that as well, right?
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What I stated has not been refuted by you, I assume you agree with it, or at least cannot refute it.

As to your attempt to derail the topic onto some hypothetical "fed" question, it's not relevant. If you'd like to make a claim, please do so. If you can reasonable refute what I wrote, go ahead.
Otherwise, you appear to be looking for an out.
 
Mach said:
What I stated has not been refuted by you, I assume you agree with it, or at least cannot refute it.

As to your attempt to derail the topic onto some hypothetical "fed" question, it's not relevant. If you'd like to make a claim, please do so. If you can reasonable refute what I wrote, go ahead.
Otherwise, you appear to be looking for an out.
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I'm not attempting to refute anything you said. I'm simply asking if you have any integrity. So far, you arent exactly hitting anything out of the park.
 
Chomsky said:
My reply was predicated upon the data contained in the article you presented in support of your OP.

Here are the key paragraphs below, where I bolded the relevant statements:

Are you saying the article is not accurate?
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Cuomo denies he’ll ‘seize’ ventilators from upstate for NYC, says order promotes ‘sharing’ | Fox News

Yes, according to our representatives, we need the ventilators in case, we get a spike in cases. Basically he wants us to have a shortage. Upstate just doesn't buy the "payback" argument.
 
Singlegaze said:
Upstate New York has traditionally been a drain on the rest of the state, not the other way around. You all contribute far less in taxes than you receive back. Downstate (city, Long Island) fund most of the state budget.

Regarding the article, good. If you're not using equipment, send it where it's needed.
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So what you're saying is upper NY is worthless and doesn't deserve the stuff it has?
 
Roadvirus said:
So what you're saying is upper NY is worthless and doesn't deserve the stuff it has?
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That's basically what the poster was saying. It's disgusting. This is one of the major reasons why most of us want to be a separate state. Western/upper/upstate NY is both rural and urban. Buffalo and Rochester are the two biggest cities in NY, besides the Big Apple. We grow your crops. We have popular sports teams. We have the finger lakes. We have Niagara Falls. We have a rich history. My city Rochester is the home of Kodak and George Eastman. The reason why they see it as a "wasteland" because NY state doesn't try to create more economic opportunities. And this is precisely why I am making these strong arguments: NYC gets all the major financing. But when NYC needs help, we're suppose to bail THEM out. It's basically a one-sided non-existent friendship.
 
VanceMack said:
I'm not attempting to refute anything you said. I'm simply asking if you have any integrity. So far, you arent exactly hitting anything out of the park.
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Then I'm correct, and we're done.

Your attempt tot try and make this about me personally, is weak sauce Vance. It's like what a child would do after losing a ballgame...kick dirt at the other team. Why do that? Why not be more..you know...inspirational.
 
You want more articles: Area lawmakers, officials condemn Cuomo's proposal to shift ventilators from Upstate hospitals to NYC | Local News | dailyfreeman.com

Both political parties are outraged over Cuomo's executive order.


U.S. Rep Antonio Delgado, D-Rhinebeck, Ulster County Executive Pat Ryan, Dutchess County Executive Marc Molinaro, Orange County Executive Steven M. Neuhaus, state Sens. George Amedore, R-Rotterdam, Jen Metzger, D-Rosendale, Sue Serino, R-Hyde Park, and assemblymen Kevin Cahill, D-Kingston, and Chris Tague R-Schoharie, issued a joint statement on the proposal Sunday.

“We are aware of plans to shift ventilators from our upstate communities and are gravely concerned. Health care access in rural communities has long been under strain, and we know the apex of cases in upstate is around the corner," the lawmakers said in a prepared statement. "We stand ready to help our fellow New Yorkers, but moving needed ventilators from our region now would be devastating and counterintuitive to all data on the spread of COVID-19.
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By all means, call us "selfish" for not wanting Cuomo to steal our medical supply and leave us short-handed.
 
BrotherFease said:
Cuomo plans to use National Guard to seize ventilators from upstate facilities

I am a lifelong resident of New York state. No, I do not live in "the city". I live in upstate NY, a region, Andrew Cuomo and both U.S Senators from NY, cares very little about. Recently he's been threatening to take our ventilators from upstate NY hospitals and use them for NYC. For those of you who don't know where "upstate NY" is, basically it's near the Canadian border, in the Buffalo-Rochester-Niagara Falls-Seneca Falls region. My County Executive, Adam Bello, is up in arms, as well as every assemblymen and state Senators in upstate NY. Some say, we're being selfish, but I look at it this way: We have limited supply as well. Sorry I am angry. Never been a fan of Cuomo btw. Am I right or wrong here?
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You're not wrong but you're not right.
It's not Cuomo's fault that he's forced to consider such measures.
Who is the person responsible for pitting elected officials against each other in some sick and twisted Ayn Rand battle while their son in law claims the federal stockpile is not for "US" it's "ours" (Kushner's) ??
 
BrotherFease said:
Please illustrate how we're a drain on the state. Do we bring the most crime? The most poverty? Do we not have farms and popular businesses?
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Did you ignore the bit about upstate receiving more in state expenditures than it contributes to state revenues? Your part of the state is a drain through that lens. And sure, you contribute plenty in terms of agriculture, but downstate economically contributes other goods/services that upstate doesn't.
 
Singlegaze said:
Did you ignore the bit about upstate receiving more in state expenditures than it contributes to state revenues? Your part of the state is a drain through that lens. And sure, you contribute plenty in terms of agriculture, but downstate economically contributes other goods/services that upstate doesn't.
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If the state actually created more economic opportunities, we wouldn't be seen as the "drain". We're only the "drain" because we get ignored. I don't know where you're from, but here in upstate, we see where the state's priorities go. We see through the governor's IOU BS.
 
Felis Leo said:
Let me draw you a parallel: If the governor of any random Southern state, say, Alabama or Mississippi, proposed raiding rural hospitals that catered mainly to poor black citizens to seize their little-used ventilators in order to take them to higher income white cities, I imagine most people here, especially those on the political left would cry bloody murder and this was opportunistic racism further meant to leave poor black people to die. I doubt very many here would give those governors the benefit of the doubt that they were just trying to allocate limited resources, even if some of the the ventilators were idle at the time of their seizure.
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I can't speak to others prejudices. But can speak to the reasonableness of re-allocating unused resources to save lives where their needed.



Yes. Let us go there, Chomsky. It is my belief that the unspoken goal of everyone who seeks and achieves power is to remain in power and arrogate more power unto themselves. Those few who do not are they happy exception who prove the general rule.
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So then what's your point with Cuomo? According to your theory, he does what governors do.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
You're not wrong but you're not right.
It's not Cuomo's fault that he's forced to consider such measures.
Who is the person responsible for pitting elected officials against each other in some sick and twisted Ayn Rand battle while their son in law claims the federal stockpile is not for "US" it's "ours" (Kushner's) ??
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Back in 2015, Cuomo had the opportunity to get more ventilators, but called it a waste of money. His hands are tied for a reason, and now wants upstate to "share".

And yes, Trump should be sending more medical supplies to NYC. I agree.
 
Chomsky said:
Your article again did not support your premise, as Cuomo states he is only taking excess ventilators. That's two-out-of-two.
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I posted another article as well. So you disagree with what our local politicians from both sides of the aisle are saying: We're strapped as well.
 
BrotherFease said:
Cuomo plans to use National Guard to seize ventilators from upstate facilities

I am a lifelong resident of New York state. No, I do not live in "the city". I live in upstate NY, a region, Andrew Cuomo and both U.S Senators from NY, cares very little about. Recently he's been threatening to take our ventilators from upstate NY hospitals and use them for NYC. For those of you who don't know where "upstate NY" is, basically it's near the Canadian border, in the Buffalo-Rochester-Niagara Falls-Seneca Falls region. My County Executive, Adam Bello, is up in arms, as well as every assemblymen and state Senators in upstate NY. Some say, we're being selfish, but I look at it this way: We have limited supply as well. Sorry I am angry. Never been a fan of Cuomo btw. Am I right or wrong here?
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Selfish? Letting your medical equipment sit idle while you watch fellow New Yorkers die for lack of it? Nah.
 
BrotherFease said:
Back in 2015, Cuomo had the opportunity to get more ventilators, but called it a waste of money. His hands are tied for a reason, and now wants upstate to "share".

And yes, Trump should be sending more medical supplies to NYC. I agree.
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Because the FEDERAL STOCKPILE should have been maintained precisely FOR situations like this.
That is WHY it was considered a waste of money.
Sorry but I grew up in the Cold War era. Can you imagine if the Russians actually HAD attacked us, and Eisenhower or Kennedy was forcing elected officials to fight each other for supplies and shortchanging military and national guard for states who didn't kiss their ass?

We DROWNED government IN THE BATHTUB and we are witnessing the result NOW in real time.
This IS the world Ayn Rand envisioned, so if anyone is complaining, and those same people stood in line to purchase a copy of her book because they thought she was such a visionary genius, those people need to stab themselves with a fork each time they bitch and moan.

This IS Trump's baby, this IS Trump's abortion and this IS what you get when you trust Trump to fulfill his constitutional duty to keep us safe.
Instead, Kushner is doing the "MY PRECIOUS!" routine.

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with a federal stockpile paid for by taxpayers
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
This IS Trump's baby, this IS Trump's abortion and this IS what you get when you trust Trump to fulfill his constitutional duty to keep us safe.
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That's what I am saying. Some people are implying that I want NYC to suffer, because NY lawmakers care more about one region over another. That's not my point at all. I get that his hands are tied. We need more support, federal support, not to divert vital medical supplies from one region to another. That's my only concern.
 
BrotherFease said:
I posted another article as well. So you disagree with what our local politicians from both sides of the aisle are saying: We're strapped as well.
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If that turns out to be true, and Cuomo comes after your necessary resources, I'll be happy to call foul. Bur right now he hasn't done anything for me to judge wrong. And until he does, I won't.
 
Will it save lives?
 
BrotherFease said:
That's basically what the poster was saying. It's disgusting. This is one of the major reasons why most of us want to be a separate state. Western/upper/upstate NY is both rural and urban. Buffalo and Rochester are the two biggest cities in NY, besides the Big Apple. We grow your crops. We have popular sports teams. We have the finger lakes. We have Niagara Falls. We have a rich history. My city Rochester is the home of Kodak and George Eastman. The reason why they see it as a "wasteland" because NY state doesn't try to create more economic opportunities. And this is precisely why I am making these strong arguments: NYC gets all the major financing. But when NYC needs help, we're suppose to bail THEM out. It's basically a one-sided non-existent friendship.
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It reminds me of Illinois. Chicago and Springfield rule and the rest of us pay for their garbage.
 
BrotherFease said:
You want more articles: Area lawmakers, officials condemn Cuomo's proposal to shift ventilators from Upstate hospitals to NYC | Local News | dailyfreeman.com

Both political parties are outraged over Cuomo's executive order.




By all means, call us "selfish" for not wanting Cuomo to steal our medical supply and leave us short-handed.
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This will come back to sting Cuomo's ass if he decides to make a 2024 run (or if the Dumbos decide that Biden can't hack it against Trump and replace him with Andy, which has become The Thing that's been kicked around by certain media people lately).
 
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