Culture and Lifestyle . . . Race and Sexual orientation

[AGENT J]

Are you asking if there are differences that are 100% or are you excepting things like generalities but there is also tons of overlap and it's not a hard and fast rule, to include complete flip-flops of the generality?

Im looking for substantial differences and no it doesn't have to be 100% no culture is 100% but it would have to be significant, id say over 60% for it to have meaning and it couldnt be circumstance or oppression or privileged but true culture.

I think the issue is probably how people inaccurately define culture.

for example Ive heard people say well, gay guys doing sex acts with other guys is thier culture it certainly aint mine .. .well thats stupid because the reality is that its not different because its people doing consensual sex acts with other people they are attracted too. Thats not a difference in culture any more than if somebody who likes blondes vs somebody who like brunettes.

 

[AGENT J]

1. Still horrendous English, but I wasn't talking about feminists. I was stating what contributed towards the acceptance of single parent households.

2. Many do continue these lifestyle choices. I do now believe that in certain groups, single parent households are more likely than two parent households.

3. If I understand your broken English, in regards to racial group differences some groups are more likely to put more emphasis on family rather than the individual. Different opinions on religion being a large part of their lives,etc.

4. I think many of them are yes.

1.) and that is still not an answer lol so is it poor people or is it feminists or are you claiming the feminist spawned the culture for poor people
2.) again NOT an answer
WHY do they not follow what you claim is thier culture
Is it many, most or just a few that do not follow what you claim is thier culture?
If its anything less than majority and not taught to that majority how is it thier culture based on what logic?
3.) if its broken English its yours because I quoted you lol But please continue the failed deflections, thats even more entertainment for me and VERY telling.
Between black and what who puts more focus on family then individual on a culture level?
Between black and white are the majority still not both Christians for them? where the culture difference there?
4.) you think? think doesn't get it done. and neither does "many" whats the percentage you THINK do that and based on what?

 

[Fishking]

Im looking for substantial differences and no it doesn't have to be 100% no culture is 100% but it would have to be significant, id say over 60% for it to have meaning and it couldnt be circumstance or oppression or privileged but true culture.

So not that have I have a huge wealth of experience and it's all anecdotal but black people tend to be louder and more expressive while white people are generally quieter and less reserved. One of the best places to see this is to sit in most white churches vs the few black churches I've been to. It was a very stark difference. The white churches tended to be more of a lecture with people sitting quietly in the pews listening while in the black churches I've been to the pastor was very much more animated and the parishioners were also more animated and responsive.

For homosexual vs heterosexual, I don't know so much about lesbians but for men they tend to be more effeminate (yes, I know there are plenty of jacked gay dudes), to supremely flamboyantly effeminate levels where I don't think I've ever seen a straight dude act the same way. I dunno if that counts as culture, though, or just mannerisms.

What do you think? Wrong or do you see the same?

 

[AGENT J]

1.) So not that have I have a huge wealth of experience and it's all anecdotal but black people tend to be louder and more expressive while white people are generally quieter and less reserved.
2.) One of the best places to see this is to sit in most white churches vs the few black churches I've been to. It was a very stark difference. The white churches tended to be more of a lecture with people sitting quietly in the pews listening while in the black churches I've been to the pastor was very much more animated and the parishioners were also more animated and responsive.

3.) For homosexual vs heterosexual, I don't know so much about lesbians but for men they tend to be more effeminate (yes, I know there are plenty of jacked gay dudes), to supremely flamboyantly effeminate levels where I don't think I've ever seen a straight dude act the same way. I dunno if that counts as culture, though, or just mannerisms.

4.) What do you think? Wrong or do you see the same?

1.) if you dont have a lot of experience how do you come to that conclusion.
follow up would be is black people as in the majority or do the loud ones you encounter stick with you while you simply didnt notice the quiet ones. also not sure how that would be "culture"?

2.) again ones of same religion? the churches i noticed to be more interactive. i would also say though if i put it at a direct competition the churches i have found more interactive the black ones do it better and bigger. But i have also been to quiet as can be you can hear a mouse yawn black churches too.

3.) definitely not culture and i would say for every fem one you notice theres a non fem you dont see. thats the whole thing if they are fem (and they may not even be gay if they are cause i know some fem straights) you wouldnt notice them to get an accurate count.

4.) i dont think you really named anything culture based, the church thing has some potential to be culture if we classify it as manner of worship but again i would think that is more religion based than anything else since there are black churches that are quiet and blacks in many religions or without religion. I dont think in the US its significant enough.

 

[Fishking]

1.) if you dont have a lot of experience how do you come to that conclusion.

Anecdotally.

follow up would be is black people as in the majority or do the loud ones you encounter stick with you while you simply didnt notice the quiet ones. also not sure how that would be "culture"?

That's a question that is basically impossible to answer, either I only notice when they are loud and it sticks with me or it's a valid observation from my experience. I wouldn't be able to answer that question beyond, you could be right.

2.) again ones of same religion? the churches i noticed to be more interactive. i would also say though if i put it at a direct competition the churches i have found more interactive the black ones do it better and bigger. But i have also been to quiet as can be you can hear a mouse yawn black churches too.

I dunno, at least to me this holds true. You can walk into about any white church around the country and it's not going to hold a candle to the energy that black churches have (you'd probably have to go to Pentecostal churches to get something similar), I'm talking Baptist churches white vs Baptist church black.

I wish I could find something posted on a friends FB from waaay back as it would probably be pretty damn good for this. It was some fairly popular FB page for black people and it was just a post that said something like, "White people, ask us something about black people you want to know." The comment section was pretty funny, had some decent questions that I can't recall, and it was overall good-natured.

3.) definitely not culture and i would say for every fem one you notice theres a non fem you dont see. thats the whole thing if they are fem (and they may not even be gay if they are cause i know some fem straights) you wouldnt notice them to get an accurate count.

]4.) i dont think you really named anything culture based, the church thing has some potential to be culture if we classify it as manner of worship but again i would think that is more religion based than anything else since there are black churches that are quiet and blacks in many religions or without religion. I dont think in the US its significant enough.

The first thing is definitely cultural. To further give an example of this, Asian cultures are even more reserved and expressing strong emotions in public is pretty horrible. I wasn't sure about the homosexual thing but I admitted such and agree with you there.

 

[AGENT J]

The first thing is definitely cultural. To further give an example of this, Asian cultures are even more reserved and expressing strong emotions in public is pretty horrible. I wasn't sure about the homosexual thing but I admitted such and agree with you there.

But its not culture because there are millions that are not loud and its not a taught thing. The reasoning for any individual(s) loudness has nothingn to do with black or culture.

 

[Perotista]

I have heard a few people swear up and down that whites and blacks have different cultures/life styles, have also heard the same thing about heterosexuals and homosexuals/bisexuals.

So what do you think?
In the US are black & white culture fundamentally different in substantial way?
In the US are hetero & homosexual orentation culture fundamentally different in substantial way?

and of course the follow up questions:

what is white culture/lifestyle?
what is black culture/lifestyle?
what is heterosexual culture/lifestyle?
what is homosexual culture/lifestyle?

I've been military all my life. I've been places where the culture and traditions are very different than here in the good old USA. So based on that, cultures between races in the U.S. is slight if at all compared to other cultures and traditions throughout the world. I would say there is a bigger difference between rural and urban cultures than the races. Probably between a military community and a civilian one also.

At one time there were cultural differences between regions within the U.S. There still is, but to a lot lesser extent. Especially since all them northerners from the northeast continue to move south. Maybe because I experienced the different cultures of Asia I don't see much difference here in the USA or in Europe for that matter. For me European and American Culture seemed interchangable for the most part.

I never seen a big difference between hetro or homosexual life styles or cultures either. Unless you count whom you hang around with. Being retired military, I prefer to be around other vets and not so much civilians with all their hangups.

 

[AGENT J]

I've been military all my life. I've been places where the culture and traditions are very different than here in the good old USA. So based on that, cultures between races in the U.S. is slight if at all compared to other cultures and traditions throughout the world. I would say there is a bigger difference between rural and urban cultures than the races. Probably between a military community and a civilian one also.

At one time there were cultural differences between regions within the U.S. There still is, but to a lot lesser extent. Especially since all them northerners from the northeast continue to move south. Maybe because I experienced the different cultures of Asia I don't see much difference here in the USA or in Europe for that matter. For me European and American Culture seemed interchangable for the most part.

I never seen a big difference between hetro or homosexual life styles or cultures either. Unless you count whom you hang around with. Being retired military, I prefer to be around other vets and not so much civilians with all their hangups.

id tend to agree with this too with minor difference of opinions but nothing big. i to feel if theres any culture its probably more regional than anything. Im not so sure id even put a rural or urban tag on it. just regional period. I regional can make the best case for any type of culture differences.

 

[maquiscat]

to answer my own question I personally dont see any substantial difference that isnt completely made up and or sensationalized/worded different to make it seem different.
In the US everything i see is still very individual and not group based.

Is that not group based at all, or with regards to the groups listed in your OP?

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[AGENT J]

Is that not group based at all, or with regards to the groups listed in your OP?

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oh this would just be black/white, straight/gay.... sorry if that wasnt clear...

 

[Perotista]

id tend to agree with this too with minor difference of opinions but nothing big. i to feel if theres any culture its probably more regional than anything. Im not so sure id even put a rural or urban tag on it. just regional period. I regional can make the best case for any type of culture differences.

I'd say 50-60 years ago there was a big regional cultural difference. I also think migration or movement of people from one part of the country to another has diminished the regional differences. I've been TDY all over the states the last 20 years or so, before I retired from FORSCOM, outside of some regions being a lot more expensive than others, I really didn't notice much difference.

But again having experienced other cultures, say in Southeast Asia, there wouldn't be that much difference between north and south as there is between the States and say Thailand or Laos or even Japan or Hong Kong when it didn't belong to Red China.

 

[AGENT J]

I'd say 50-60 years ago there was a big regional cultural difference. I also think migration or movement of people from one part of the country to another has diminished the regional differences. I've been TDY all over the states the last 20 years or so, before I retired from FORSCOM, outside of some regions being a lot more expensive than others, I really didn't notice much difference.

But again having experienced other cultures, say in Southeast Asia, there wouldn't be that much difference between north and south as there is between the States and say Thailand or Laos or even Japan or Hong Kong when it didn't belong to Red China.

Interesting and yet i think thats the very thing people are missing. thier view is either two biased, prejudice (in general) or short sighted in thier own bubble not realizing how little difference there really is. Even with religion, barring small groups, id say its only the extremist and not people in general.

 

[Fishking]

But its not culture because there are millions that are not loud and its not a taught thing. The reasoning for any individual(s) loudness has nothingn to do with black or culture.

Then we disagree. I specifically asked if it would be acceptable to have overlap or if it had to be a complete divergence and you said that was fine. From my observations, black people are way more expressive and generally louder and more vigorous in their expressions than white people.

You don't think so but that's not what I observe. Now I'm questioning if you'd have accept any answer or just basically go with "it's not all of them" as the response, even though I already dealt with that premise.

 

[AGENT J]

1.) Then we disagree. I specifically asked if it would be acceptable to have overlap or if it had to be a complete divergence and you said that was fine. From my observations, black people are way more expressive and generally louder and more vigorous in their expressions than white people.
2.)
You don't think so but that's not what I observe. Now I'm questioning if you'd have accept any answer or just basically go with "it's not all of them" as the response, even though I already dealt with that premise.

1.) sure did and what you describe is not anything ive seen that reigns true in any real numbers nor is a culture thing like i said. "The reasoning for any individual(s) loudness has nothing to do"
2.) well youd be wrong there too as proven by conversations in this thread because "its not all of them" is meaningless and not a disqualify but you can question and feel how ever you like it just wont be accurate.

 

[Perotista]

Interesting and yet i think thats the very thing people are missing. thier view is either two biased, prejudice (in general) or short sighted in thier own bubble not realizing how little difference there really is. Even with religion, barring small groups, id say its only the extremist and not people in general.

I agree. You have people that look for, find and then magnify the differences instead of seeing how much all of us are alike.

 

[Fishking]

1.) sure did and what you describe is not anything ive seen that reigns true in any real numbers nor is a culture thing like i said. "The reasoning for any individual(s) loudness has nothing to do"

I already gave you an example of how you're incorrect here. How various groups express themselves is most definitely a cultural thing. I even gave you a further example. Not that you'd actually take my word for it so I'll provide a link from an academic source.

https://web.uri.edu/iaics/files/02-Fumiyo-Araki-Richard-L.-Wiseman.pdf

 

[AGENT J]

I agree. You have people that look for, find and then magnify the differences instead of seeing how much all of us are alike.

Yep i think its very positive in both directions by the way..... positives and negatives......
and not just for groups but individual people . . . you can see it when two people arent so found of eachother and they get made at one another for asking "stupid questions" of saying "stupid things" that are common every day things that many people do but only "THAT" one person bothers you when they do it lol

like something simple like you are at work, someone comes in and they are a little wet in and somebody asks "rainin' out"

obviously it is lol
and it is kind of a stupid question

but between buddies its a non issue, one might even bust your chops over it and be like no my dryer is broken dummie and you laugh about it
between strangers or acquaintances most people probably practice civility and think nothing of it
between two people and one doesnt like the other or has judgment for the other..."of course its raining what are you stupid?!?!?" and then they talk about how dumb that person is or something along those lines even though its VERY common behavior.

i think that goes on for some people in a large scale for GROUPS of people. they only see what they want to see or the thing that they THINK makes them different just like you said.

 

[AGENT J]

1.) I already gave you an example of how you're incorrect here.
2.) How various groups express themselves is most definitely a cultural thing. I even gave you a further example. Not that you'd actually take my word for it so I'll provide a link from an academic source.

https://web.uri.edu/iaics/files/02-Fumiyo-Araki-Richard-L.-Wiseman.pdf

1.) no, you didnt LMAO
2.) i didnt say that wasnt the case, that public expression cant be culture LMAO why do you lie so much and make stuff up?
i said in the example you gave and the topic we are discussing blacks vs whites in america its a non issue there not a real difference and its not taught in that case but good job pointing out where YOUR confusion and factual mistake is, thanks! now i dont have too.

anything else?:lamo

 

[Skeptic Bob]

There are countless cultures in the US with a lot of crossover as well. For example, a poor white man in rural Alabama and a poor black man in Alabama are going to have more similar cultures than the poor white man in Alabama would have with a rich white man in New York City.

 

[Fishking]

1.) no, you didnt LMAO
2.) i didnt say that wasnt the case, that public expression cant be culture LMAO why do you lie so much and make stuff up?
i said in the example you gave and the topic we are discussing blacks vs whites in america its a non issue there not a real difference and its not taught in that case but good job pointing out where YOUR confusion and factual mistake is, thanks! now i dont have too.

anything else?:lamo

Oh yeah....why did I bother trying to have an honest discussion with you. It had been a while and I forgot you're not worth the bandwidth. I'll bump you back down into the trash responses category where you're properly filed.

 

[AGENT J]

1.)Oh yeah....why did I bother trying to have an honest discussion with you. It had been a while and I forgot you're not worth the bandwidth.
2.) I'll bump you back down into the trash responses category where you're properly filed.

1.) You would have to post honestly first to try that. I already factually proved you were not. You trying to claim otherwise wont fool anybody LMAO
2.) again deflections like this wont change the fact you were proven wrong and that you made the mistake. If you disagree by all means i directly challenge you to qoute me saying the lie you made up and how your link matters to THIS discussion (hint: yo cant)

In the future to avoid your problem, mistakes and your posts getting exposed simply avoid posting lies and stramwen, you're welcome!

 

[brothern]

The first thing is definitely cultural. To further give an example of this, Asian cultures are even more reserved and expressing strong emotions in public is pretty horrible. I wasn't sure about the homosexual thing but I admitted such and agree with you there.

But its not culture because there are millions that are not loud and its not a taught thing. The reasoning for any individual(s) loudness has nothingn to do with black or culture.

I completely disagree as well with the statement that loudness is not a cultural thing. Loudness - or the appropriate volume of speaking - is absolutely a cultural value.

During my study abroad in Germany a few years back, I quickly learned that us Americans and the few Australians that we hung out with were louder than your average German. Too loud. And I'm a "quiet" person compared to most other Americans. We'd often get glares in the street from strangers for violating what the Germans had decided what was the culturally appropriate level of loudness.

Then two years ago I was back in Germany with a friend - an American - who's loud for even for your typical American, and for the first three days of that trip I spent the entire time telling him to shut up or else he'd be regretting it. To the point where he got annoyed at me and told me off for pestering him. Five hours later an elderly German woman grabbed his arm in the middle of a public square and in the most culturally German way possible straight up said, "Sie sind zu laut. Be quiet."

Which shut him the hell up for the remainder of the two weeks.

 

[Fishking]

1.) You would have to post honestly first to try that. I already factually proved you were not. You trying to claim otherwise wont fool anybody LMAO
2.) again deflections like this wont change the fact you were proven wrong and that you made the mistake. If you disagree by all means i directly challenge you to qoute me saying the lie you made up and how your link matters to THIS discussion (hint: yo cant)

In the future to avoid your problem, mistakes and your posts getting exposed simply avoid posting lies and stramwen, you're welcome!

*yawn* pissing all over the places and strutting around like you accomplished something, as is usual.

 

[Fishking]

I completely disagree as well with the statement that loudness is not a cultural thing. Loudness - or the appropriate volume of speaking - is absolutely a cultural value.

During my study abroad in Germany a few years back, I quickly learned that us Americans and the few Australians that we hung out with were louder than your average German. Too loud. And I'm a "quiet" person compared to most other Americans. We'd often get glares in the street from strangers for violating what the Germans had decided what was the culturally appropriate level of loudness.

Then two years ago I was back in Germany with a friend - an American - who's loud for even for your typical American, and for the first three days of that trip I spent the entire time telling him to shut up or else he'd be regretting it. To the point where he got annoyed at me and told me off for pestering him. Five hours later an elderly German woman grabbed his arm in the middle of a public square and in the most culturally German way possible straight up said, "Sie sind zu laut. Be quiet."

Which shut him the hell up for the remainder of the two weeks.

Of course....I even provided an academic paper for him but I thought maybe he wouldn't go back to his normal behavior when someone disagrees with him and just be ridiculous so no bother trying anymore. I should've known. Americans I believe are a little bit on the loud scale compared to many other cultures.

 

[AGENT J]

I completely disagree as well with the statement that loudness is not a cultural thing. Loudness - or the appropriate level of speaking - is absolutely a cultural value.

During my study abroad in Germany a few years back, I quickly learned that us Americans and the few Australians that we hung out with were louder than your average German. Too loud. And I'm a "quiet" person compared to most other Americans. We'd often get glares in the street from strangers for violating what the Germans had decided what was the culturally appropriate level of loudness.

Then two years ago I was back in Germany with a friend - an American - who's loud for even for your typical American, and for the first three days of that trip I spent the entire time telling him to shut up or else he'd be regretting it. To the point where he got annoyed at me and told me off for pestering him. Five hours later an elderly German woman grabbed his arm in the middle of a public square and in the most culturally German way possible straight up said, "Sie sind zu laut. Be quiet."

Which shut him the hell up for the remainder of the two weeks.

You actually just proved my point, the topic is about blacks and whites in the US so as soon as you mention germany there goes your comparison out the window. Then the fact that you say AMEIRCANS are loud further proves what I was saying about AMEIRCAN blacks and whits that theres not much difference in that regard and its not cultural between them.