Courts hammer Trump for sabotaging Obamacare, in rulings that could cost the Treasury billions

[marke]

The ACA requires insurers to lower deductibles, co-pays, and other out-of-pocket spending for low income people so that they can afford to use their insurance. In return, the feds are supposed to reimburse those insurers for those additional expenses.

When Trump reneged on making those reimbursements in late 2017 insurers responded by jacking up premiums to recoup the lost revenue--that's part of the mechanism by which Trump triggered the largest premium jump the marketplaces have yet experienced.

That made for some weird dynamics in the markets but the truly odd part is that insurers are now winning back in court the funds Trump reneged on--revenue those insurers already recouped, largely at Uncle Sam's expense, through the Trump-induced premium spike. Talk about double dipping!

Courts hammer Trump for sabotaging Obamacare, in rulings that could cost the Treasury billions
What a tangled web.

Billions are nothing when it comes to paying for universal healthcare. Conservative estimates peg the costs in the multiple trillions of dollars. Support for national universal healthcare is like sponsoring a personal end of life suicide accompanied by a spectacular choreographed fireworks display.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

with medicare for all she will be paying 400-500 bucks a month more.

For supplemental? Link?

 

[ludin]

For supplemental? Link?

You can look at most other countries tax for medicare for all it ranges from 20-40%.

CA was looking at this very thing.

it was going to cost them a 15% increase state income tax plus
higher sales tax to make up the difference not including what they
were going to charge employers which would have been passed onto workers
and consumers.

VT was looking at a 10% increase in state taxes. We can extrapolate that to be national
it would cost a person an average of 30%.

that doesn't include the supplement plan. to cover what medicare doesn't.
the average cost of a supplement plan is about 300-350.

so not only will your grandmother have to pay more tax on her investment income (provided she just doesn't live on social security)
she will have higher costs on her supplement plans as more people will be needing them.

Why ‘Medicare for all’ means deadly trouble for seniors

that is if she can find a doctor to even see her.
you people that push this crap rely on appeal to emotion arguments not logic and reason.

 

[Common Sense 1]

LMAO Please prove that the three things you called lies were factually lies . . . ready . . GO!

opcorn2:

If you live in bizarre world I can't help you! Well here is one you can google the others yourself.

Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it'
Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it' | PolitiFact

It was a catchy political pitch and a chance to calm nerves about his dramatic and complicated plan to bring historic change to America’s health insurance system.

"If you like your health care plan, you can keep it," President Barack Obama said -- many times -- of his landmark new law.
But the promise was impossible to keep.

So this fall, as cancellation letters were going out to approximately 4 million Americans, the public realized Obama’s breezy assurances were wrong.


Remember 3 things about Obamacare.

1. You can keep your Doctor if you like your Doctor. A lie!

2. You can keep your healthcare insurance if you like it. A lie!

3. A middle class family will save $2500.00 per year on their healthcare. A lie!

All 3 lies were spread by Obama time after time. Obamacare was a failure the first day it went into effect.

A very flawed program from the start.

 

[Helix]

Try not to break you neck blaming the Heritage Foundation. They have zero legislative power. This was TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY THE FAULT OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND BARACK OBAMA.

If you make the font even bigger, it might absolve the Heritage Foundation even more for you personally.

 

[Helix]

Most of us HAVE to do it. I currently have the choice as my spouse works. I will stay OFF Medicare until I have to. Cost goes way up under Medicare.

Sorry to hear that. My parents like it.

 

[Helix]

Is the ACA the GOP health care plan from 1993? | PunditFact

However, to call it the Republican plan, as though a majority of Republicans endorsed it, goes too far. The House Republicans took a different path, and there was opposition from more hard-line members of the Republican coalition. It is telling that the Chafee bill never became a full blown bill and never came up for a vote.

No, Obamacare Wasn't a "Republican" Proposal

When I actually took the time to read the Heritage plan, what I found was a proposal that was radically dissimilar to the Affordable Care Act. Had Obama proposed anything like the Heritage Plan, Moore would have been leading daily marches against it in front of the White House—and I would have been right there with him.

The argument for the similarity between the two plans depends on their one shared attribute: both contained a "mandate" requiring people to carry insurance coverage. But this basic recognition of the free-rider problem does not establish a fundamental similarity between the two plans.

now that you have been told you are wrong for the 1000th time you can't stop with this lie.

straight from the horses mouth that invented the hertitage plan and he says that you are wrong as well.
Don't Blame Heritage for ObamaCare Mandate | The Heritage Foundation

So now that you have been educated you stop posting this myth and lie, but i doubt you will.

Tell yourself whatever you want. I don't care.

 

[ludin]

Tell yourself whatever you want. I don't care.

actually it is actual fact check sites that say you are wrong.
as i stated no interest in educating yourself and you will continue to lie
go figure.

 

[ludin]

Try not to break you neck blaming the Heritage Foundation. They have zero legislative power. This was TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY THE FAULT OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND BARACK OBAMA.

I posted 3 sites that says he is wrong that it was a heritage plan even the guy that worked at heritage.
he refuses to acknowledge it and will continue to lie and be dishonest but there is little you can do with people
like that except to feel sorry for them.

 

[AGENT J]

If you live in bizarre world I can't help you! Well here is one you can google the others yourself.

Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it'
Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it' | PolitiFact

It was a catchy political pitch and a chance to calm nerves about his dramatic and complicated plan to bring historic change to America’s health insurance system.

"If you like your health care plan, you can keep it," President Barack Obama said -- many times -- of his landmark new law.
But the promise was impossible to keep.

So this fall, as cancellation letters were going out to approximately 4 million Americans, the public realized Obama’s breezy assurances were wrong.


Remember 3 things about Obamacare.

1. You can keep your Doctor if you like your Doctor. A lie!

2. You can keep your healthcare insurance if you like it. A lie!

3. A middle class family will save $2500.00 per year on their healthcare. A lie!

All 3 lies were spread by Obama time after time. Obamacare was a failure the first day it went into effect.

A very flawed program from the start.

LMAO this is awesome

none of that proves it was a lie
you do know a lie has a definition right? you cant just make one up L. .

here ill help you:

Lie
1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
Lie | Definition of Lie by Merriam-Webster

sooooo here we are in the same spot and ill ask you AGAIN
Please prove that the three things you called lies were factually lies . . . ready . . GO!

opcorn2:

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

If you live in bizarre world I can't help you! Well here is one you can google the others yourself.

Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it'
Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it' | PolitiFact

It was a catchy political pitch and a chance to calm nerves about his dramatic and complicated plan to bring historic change to America’s health insurance system.

"If you like your health care plan, you can keep it," President Barack Obama said -- many times -- of his landmark new law.
But the promise was impossible to keep.

So this fall, as cancellation letters were going out to approximately 4 million Americans, the public realized Obama’s breezy assurances were wrong.


Remember 3 things about Obamacare.

1. You can keep your Doctor if you like your Doctor. A lie!

2. You can keep your healthcare insurance if you like it. A lie!

3. A middle class family will save $2500.00 per year on their healthcare. A lie!

All 3 lies were spread by Obama time after time. Obamacare was a failure the first day it went into effect.

A very flawed program from the start.

Yes but let's forget about Trump's lies about pre existing conditions and him saying everyone who wants HI will get it and will be able to afford it. Both are blatant lies of the worse kind..

 

[Conservative]

Yes but let's forget about Trump's lies about pre existing conditions and him saying everyone who wants HI will get it and will be able to afford it. Both are blatant lies of the worse kind..

Has Trump tried to fix Healthcare? Since he hasn't gotten what he has proposed then your comments about his lies doesn't exist. Obama's lies hurt a lot of people AFTER ACA was implemented. You cannot seem to grasp the difference all because of nothing but hatred towards Trump or basically any Republican

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

Has Trump tried to fix Healthcare?

No.....

 

[Conservative]

No.....

Maybe if you got our more you would see what is happening in the country although I doubt anything other than having someone else pay for all your personal responsibility issues will suffice for you

Trump clears way for health plans to compete with Obamacare

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

Maybe if you got our more you would see what is happening in the country although I doubt anything other than having someone else pay for all your personal responsibility issues will suffice for you

Trump clears way for health plans to compete with Obamacare

No....

I worked for over 40 years.. Paid my way my whole life, including HC. I did so well I retired early.. But I'm not a selfish POS who only cares about myself... So I do worry that others who are less fortunate than I was need help paying for their HI..

 

[Conservative]

No....

I worked for over 40 years.. Paid my way my whole life, including HC. I did so well I retired early.. But I'm not a selfish POS who only cares about myself... So I do worry that others who are less fortunate than I was need help paying for their HI..

Apparently you are or you would be doing something in your state to alleviate the problem vs. giving lip service to a federal program that drove up costs and reduced access. If you are doing so well what are you doing to help people in your state and local community? Is it your belief that a federal bureaucrat who is a career politician is going to provide you local community with a good healthcare program? You show how easily it is to get people to think only with their hearts and not their brain

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

Apparently you are or you would be doing something in your state to alleviate the problem

Yes. I do, I now vote Democrat.. Even though I was a Republican for 30+years I no longer vote Republican . I no longer vote for the selfish, PoS Republicans who only care for themselves, Party and their rich donors.

 

[Conservative]

Yes. I do, I now vote Democrat.. Even though I was a Republican for 30+years I no longer vote Republican . I no longer vote for the selfish, PoS Republicans who only care for themselves, Party and their rich donors.

Then you want to destroy the very principles that allowed you to be successful and retire early, how typical of you. So being selfish means having a federal bureaucrat pay for your personal responsibility issues vs state and local officials? Can you name for me one federal social program that ever cost what it was supposed to cost, do what it was supposed to do and actually solved a problem? Apparently you have no problem with bureaucrats being selfish and buying votes by spending money, there is nothing Republican about you

 

[Helix]

actually it is actual fact check sites that say you are wrong.
as i stated no interest in educating yourself and you will continue to lie
go figure.

cool. thanks for the response.

 

[washunut]

Sorry to hear that. My parents like it.

Not saying it is bad. I will go on it in a couple of years. I know people on it and like it. Just that it would be more costly right now than the insurance we have.

 

[ludin]

cool. thanks for the response.

your welcome i hope you were educated on why you are wrong and will not post that lie anymore
but you will. because dishonest is dishonest.

 

[Helix]

your welcome i hope you were educated on why you are wrong and will not post that lie anymore
but you will. because dishonest is dishonest.

i'll keep your opinion in file thirteen with your previous opinions.

 

[Greenbeard]

The Gop did nothing. the ACA was designed to fail from the beginning.
it was designed to collapse the private healthcare insurance market so that obama could claim yet another crisis
and force everyone onto **** crap government healthcare.

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with insurer performance over the last decade. But let's move beyond that. Massachusetts has been running this model for 12 years now and it's got the lowest individual market premiums and most robust insurer competition in the country. Hardly a model "designed to collapse."

out of all the co-ops there is what only 2 left open out of like 12 that started.

The co-ops were defunded and destabilized by the GOP. A pity, since the competition they were injecting into their markets was holding down premium growth in those states that got one before they were defunded.

OMG, the Treasury losing billions in revenue, how in the hell will the consumers, state, and local government's survive?

This isn't foregone revenue, it's payouts to insurers. Double payouts, really, since the payouts are covering spending the insurers have already recouped. Unnecessary spending caused by the GOP's relentless sabotage campaign.

it is the same reason that your car insurance is only a few hundred dollars a month. you only use it if an accident happens.
if your car insurance had to pay for every oil or tire change you would see your insurance premium skyrocket through the roof.

Medical "oil or tire changes" are called primary care, which isn't a major cost driver.

 

[Bullseye]

The ACA requires insurers to lower deductibles, co-pays, and other out-of-pocket spending for low income people so that they can afford to use their insurance. In return, the feds are supposed to reimburse those insurers for those additional expenses.

When Trump reneged on making those reimbursements in late 2017 insurers responded by jacking up premiums to recoup the lost revenue--that's part of the mechanism by which Trump triggered the largest premium jump the marketplaces have yet experienced.

That made for some weird dynamics in the markets but the truly odd part is that insurers are now winning back in court the funds Trump reneged on--revenue those insurers already recouped, largely at Uncle Sam's expense, through the Trump-induced premium spike. Talk about double dipping!

Courts hammer Trump for sabotaging Obamacare, in rulings that could cost the Treasury billions



What a tangled web.

So, how does this collate with Business Insider report that 2019 ACA premiums will decline?

The average premium for the benchmark Obamacare plan will decline in 2019 compared to the year before.
In fact, premiums are falling in 18 states, and another 13 are only seeing increases of 5% or less.
While President Donald Trump has taken credit for the falling costs, health policy experts point to a different reason for the cost slowdown.

 

[Greenbeard]

So, how does this collate with Business Insider report that 2019 ACA premiums will decline?

Trump drove premiums up 37% in 2018 (despite most actuarial and financial analyses suggesting they would've been flat in the absence of his deliberate sabotage attempts). Looks like insurers slightly overshot in projecting the magnitude of the Trump premium spike. Maybe it should've only been an unnecessary ~35% jump or so!