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Could Trump pardon Kavanaugh?

ludin said:
look at how many TDS threads get posted here daily.
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I know. Everyday an average of a dozen or so. Ludin there seems to have been a backlash against the Dems over the way the carried on during the confirmation hearing of Kavanaugh. There appears to be a righteous indignation among voters across political affiliations because the poll numbers are showing some big movement. People don't much care for the way they acted. And this constant mob like behavior is just unacceptable and it is starting to look like people are going to send a message with their vote. I believe early voting has already started in several places.

Heck, McSally has pulled ahead of the Democrat in AZ. Heller is up in NV, Cramer is definitely a pickup in the Senate as he is well ahead of Heitkamp in N.D.. Hawley is edging out McCaskill in Missouri. All that talk that Cruz was in trouble.....he has soared ahead in the polls. In Indiana, Montana and Florida they are all in the margin of error. I am also seeing movement in Governor races that have been tight favoring Republicans. If someone is going to vote Republican for Senator or Governor a very good chance they will vote Republican for their House representative and yesterday RCP moved several Republicans from tossups to leans Republican. All good news.
O'Keefe's team went inside Bredesen's campaign. OMG it was damning. If you haven't watched it you can from the link below. His campaign staff admits Bredsesen is a fraud when it comes to his support for Kavanaugh.
https://www.projectveritasaction.co...cal-move-we-dont-say-that-out-of-these-walls/

Blackburn has been well ahead of Bredsesen in the last two major polls... well above Margin of Error!


And did you hear after the Kavanaugh hearing, President Trump nominated over a dozen more appointees to the Circuit court from his list. All originalist constitutionalists. Sweet.
 
vesper said:
I know. Everyday an average of a dozen or so. Ludin there seems to have been a backlash against the Dems over the way the carried on during the confirmation hearing of Kavanaugh. There appears to be a righteous indignation among voters across political affiliations because the poll numbers are showing some big movement. People don't much care for the way they acted. And this constant mob like behavior is just unacceptable and it is starting to look like people are going to send a message with their vote. I believe early voting has already started in several places.

Heck, McSally has pulled ahead of the Democrat in AZ. Heller is up in NV, Cramer is definitely a pickup in the Senate as he is well ahead of Heitkamp in N.D.. Hawley is edging out McCaskill in Missouri. All that talk that Cruz was in trouble.....he has soared ahead in the polls. In Indiana, Montana and Florida they are all in the margin of error. I am also seeing movement in Governor races that have been tight favoring Republicans. If someone is going to vote Republican for Senator or Governor a very good chance they will vote Republican for their House representative and yesterday RCP moved several Republicans from tossups to leans Republican. All good news.
O'Keefe's team went inside Bredesen's campaign. OMG it was damning. If you haven't watched it you can from the link below. His campaign staff admits Bredsesen is a fraud when it comes to his support for Kavanaugh.
https://www.projectveritasaction.co...cal-move-we-dont-say-that-out-of-these-walls/

Blackburn has been well ahead of Bredsesen in the last two major polls... well above Margin of Error!


And did you hear after the Kavanaugh hearing, President Trump nominated over a dozen more appointees to the Circuit court from his list. All originalist constitutionalists. Sweet.
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we need more constitutional judges
 
independentusa said:
To many the Kvanaugh placement on SCOTUS is not over. If more witnesses come forward and there is sufficient evidence of wrong doing, could Tump just say i pardon him for anything he did wrong in the past and thus keep him on the court?
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If on Ruth Bader Ginsburg's 17th birthday in 1950, she was riding in a car that struck and killed someone and Ruth helped cover up it up, would Democrats want her prosecuted?
 
trouble13 said:
Better question is can Trump reduce the court from 9 to 7?

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Why will he want to? He will be replacing Ginsburg soon and maybe Sotomayor who also has extreme health problems.
 
ludin said:
Actually there isn't. Plenty of documents were released. before the liberal melt down he was one of the most respected justices on the 9th court.
He legal reputation is stellar.

he was a perfect fit for the court. this is nothing more than sore loser syndrom.
there is 0 evidence to support that he is some deviant sexual gang rapist.

To say otherwise is just a partisan hack being mad.
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He was on the DC Circuit Court, not the 9th.

The documents that were released were just a bunch of e-mails from his time as an Associate White House Counsel. There was nothing at all from his time as Staff Secretary to the President. Regardless, what I'm specifically interested in is his role in the formulating the Bush Administration's detainee policies, in particular the White House Counsel's office deliberations on the so-called Torture Memo of Aug. 1, 2002. During his DC Circuit confirmation hearings in 2006, Kavanaugh claimed he was unaware of the memo's existence until it was publicly revealed in 2004. This runs contrary to a 2007 Washington Post story which said he was consulted about the memo during the 2002 deliberations. I want to see a record of the meeting in Aug. of 2002 in Alberto Gonzales' office that was also attended by David Addington (VP Cheney's Counsel) and Bradford Berenson (of the White House Consel's office) and other personnel from both the White House and Justice Department in which the memo was debated. If Kavanaugh was in attendance - and a quick search of Alberto Gonzales' White House papers could easily resolve this matter - then he was lying in his confirmation testimony.

Why is this important? Well, not only because it'd be a Federal crime... but also because the DC Circuit Court of Appeals is the court where Guantanamo detainee habeas corpus cases are heard. If Kavanaugh played a role in formulating the Bush Administration detainee policies and then didn't recuse himself when cases challenging those same policies came before the Court, then it calls into question not only his legal judgment, but also puts into potential legal jeopardy any continued incarceration of those detainees.
 
ludin said:
there is no way they are getting 67 seats in the senate.
also they are now expecting to lose at least 3 more seats in the senate after this debacle.
the other thing is they could still not gain the house because of this.

They pushed all in on this battle (not one they should have) but they did it anyway only to find
out the otherside was holding a royal flush while they where bluffing.
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It's not nice to destroy someone's fantasies. Give them a break. Fantasies are all they've got.
 
independentusa said:
To many the Kvanaugh placement on SCOTUS is not over. If more witnesses come forward and there is sufficient evidence of wrong doing, could Tump just say i pardon him for anything he did wrong in the past and thus keep him on the court?
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Why would he need to?
 
Cordelier said:
He was on the DC Circuit Court, not the 9th.

The documents that were released were just a bunch of e-mails from his time as an Associate White House Counsel. There was nothing at all from his time as Staff Secretary to the President. Regardless, what I'm specifically interested in is his role in the formulating the Bush Administration's detainee policies, in particular the White House Counsel's office deliberations on the so-called Torture Memo of Aug. 1, 2002. During his DC Circuit confirmation hearings in 2006, Kavanaugh claimed he was unaware of the memo's existence until it was publicly revealed in 2004. This runs contrary to a 2007 Washington Post story which said he was consulted about the memo during the 2002 deliberations. I want to see a record of the meeting in Aug. of 2002 in Alberto Gonzales' office that was also attended by David Addington (VP Cheney's Counsel) and Bradford Berenson (of the White House Consel's office) and other personnel from both the White House and Justice Department in which the memo was debated. If Kavanaugh was in attendance - and a quick search of Alberto Gonzales' White House papers could easily resolve this matter - then he was lying in his confirmation testimony.

Why is this important? Well, not only because it'd be a Federal crime... but also because the DC Circuit Court of Appeals is the court where Guantanamo detainee habeas corpus cases are heard. If Kavanaugh played a role in formulating the Bush Administration detainee policies and then didn't recuse himself when cases challenging those same policies came before the Court, then it calls into question not only his legal judgment, but also puts into potential legal jeopardy any continued incarceration of those detainees.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/su...decade-old-question-whether-he-misled-n891436

Of course the slum dogs lodged a complaint against him in 2006.

"The Public Integrity Section of the Criminal Division reviewed this matter and determined that there was not a sufficient basis to initiate a criminal investigation," Brian Benczkowski, the principal deputy assistant attorney general, wrote to Leahy in a March 2008 letter obtained by NBC News.

So there was no evidence that he lied or said anything that would cause him to be disbarred or prosecuted.
You guys should really do some research into the matter before going all he did it he did it.

every time you accuse him of something turns out the opposite is true.
 
ludin said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/su...decade-old-question-whether-he-misled-n891436

Of course the slum dogs lodged a complaint against him in 2006.

"The Public Integrity Section of the Criminal Division reviewed this matter and determined that there was not a sufficient basis to initiate a criminal investigation," Brian Benczkowski, the principal deputy assistant attorney general, wrote to Leahy in a March 2008 letter obtained by NBC News.

So there was no evidence that he lied or said anything that would cause him to be disbarred or prosecuted.
You guys should really do some research into the matter before going all he did it he did it.

every time you accuse him of something turns out the opposite is true.
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Uh-huh... a Department of Justice investigation cleared him in 2007. Remind me again.... who was the Attorney General in 2007?
 
Cordelier said:
Uh-huh... a Department of Justice investigation cleared him in 2007. Remind me again.... who was the Attorney General in 2007?
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Facts are facts and as usual you attempt to deflect and claim some kind of bias or corruption.
 
ludin said:
Facts are facts and as usual you attempt to deflect and claim some kind of bias or corruption.
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If there was truly nothing there then the Republicans should have had no problem releasing all of the documents pertaining to Kavanaugh's White House tenure. Look - I've got no interest in prolonging investigations just for the sake of prolonging them. I'm not looking to start another Whitewater Investigation. I just want someone who knows what they're doing and who has no connections to the Bush or Trump White Houses (or Obama's, for that matter) to take a good, hard, look at the evidence and to tell us once and for all if there's anything there that we should be concerned about. That's all.
 
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