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Conservatives, would it kill you to admit Obama did a good job?

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Under Obama, we had the longest streak of private sector job growth in history. That's a fact.

U.S. enjoying its longest-lasting streak of jobs growth

When Obama took office we were losing more jobs than any time in 34 years. The economy was a disaster. The DOW was bellow 8,000 and falling. That's a fact.

The economy changed directions under Obama. We recovered from one of the biggest recessions in our history under Obama.

Why can't you swallow your pride and admit Obama did a good job?
 
Under Obama, we had the longest streak of private sector job growth in history. That's a fact.

U.S. enjoying its longest-lasting streak of jobs growth

When Obama took office we were losing more jobs than any time in 34 years. The economy was a disaster. The DOW was bellow 8,000 and falling. That's a fact.

The economy changed directions under Obama. We recovered from one of the biggest recessions in our history under Obama.

Why can't you swallow your pride and admit Obama did a good job?

Because they are assholes.
 
Like every other President to have existed Obama did good things. And bad. People tend to focus on negatives far more than positives. I doubt that anyone can honestly say that X President did a "good job" or "bad job" in totality. And even then a person would base their belief on what they personally wanted more. IE: Immigration vs economics or equality vs equity etc etc.

IMO Obama did fairly decent economic wise. Social wise he sucked.
 
It would kill them terribly, like, they would be dead ...........


I tell folks that Obama walked into, at best, a 'fixer upper' ........ they just look at me like, WTF? after a few minutes, they finally figure it out ..........
 
Under Obama, we had the longest streak of private sector job growth in history. That's a fact.

U.S. enjoying its longest-lasting streak of jobs growth

When Obama took office we were losing more jobs than any time in 34 years. The economy was a disaster. The DOW was bellow 8,000 and falling. That's a fact.

The economy changed directions under Obama. We recovered from one of the biggest recessions in our history under Obama.

Why can't you swallow your pride and admit Obama did a good job?


I believe history will treat him much kinder than current republican will.

I think he will rank in the top 15, perhaps top 10 of any POTUS list

At this early stage it is hard to say where Trump will end up on that list but bottom 10, or even bottom 5 is not out of the question.
 
Under Obama, we had the longest streak of private sector job growth in history. That's a fact.

U.S. enjoying its longest-lasting streak of jobs growth

When Obama took office we were losing more jobs than any time in 34 years. The economy was a disaster. The DOW was bellow 8,000 and falling. That's a fact.

The economy changed directions under Obama. We recovered from one of the biggest recessions in our history under Obama.

Why can't you swallow your pride and admit Obama did a good job?

Well, when you start at the bottom there isn't any way to go but up.

In February of 2009, when Obama could really start implementing his policies, the unemployment rate was 8.3%. That increased to 10% by October of the same year and hovered around that rate for 6 months. It didn't get below 9% until October of 2011 and didn't reach the 8.3% starting point until January of 2012. At that point the Republicans had been running the House for 2 years. Some consideration should be given to that last fact in that it may well have been Republican policies, not Obama policies that got things back on track.
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
 
Well, when you start at the bottom there isn't any way to go but up.

In February of 2009, when Obama could really start implementing his policies, the unemployment rate was 8.3%. That increased to 10% by October of the same year and hovered around that rate for 6 months. It didn't get below 9% until October of 2011 and didn't reach the 8.3% starting point until January of 2012. At that point the Republicans had been running the House for 2 years. Some consideration should be given to that last fact in that it may well have been Republican policies, not Obama policies that got things back on track.
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

Think how much faster we would have recovered had the Repubs actually tried working with Obama, there was plenty of blame to go around between dems and repubs and even Obama, but we the People should have demanded better so we also share some blame. Unfortunately it looks like we still have not learned a thing, our government only operates when it compromises, but today no one wants to compromise on anything meaning something has to change again. I think we will get another reset in 2018 and maybe then things will change, or not. In the end we get the government we deserve as a People.
 
Under Obama, we had the longest streak of private sector job growth in history. That's a fact.

U.S. enjoying its longest-lasting streak of jobs growth

When Obama took office we were losing more jobs than any time in 34 years. The economy was a disaster. The DOW was bellow 8,000 and falling. That's a fact.

The economy changed directions under Obama. We recovered from one of the biggest recessions in our history under Obama.

Why can't you swallow your pride and admit Obama did a good job?

You actually think he had anything to do with that other than circumstance???? He inherited an economic dip....what happens after an economic dip? IT BOUNCES BACK!!!! If it didn't bounce back, that would have been horrible... All he did was bail out the banks and the corporations that were about to get a reality check.... that's all he did.

What has Trump done? All Trump has done is make people optimistic about the market.... and often, that is sometimes all an economy needs.
 
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For the most part I don’t credit or blame Presidents for the economy.
 
Think how much faster we would have recovered had the Repubs actually tried working with Obama, there was plenty of blame to go around between dems and repubs and even Obama, but we the People should have demanded better so we also share some blame. Unfortunately it looks like we still have not learned a thing, our government only operates when it compromises, but today no one wants to compromise on anything meaning something has to change again. I think we will get another reset in 2018 and maybe then things will change, or not. In the end we get the government we deserve as a People.

I think a big part of this is the polarized news media, especially the conservative outlets like Fox, Hannity, Rush, etc... And the likes of the Koch brothers fanning the flames of polarization don't help either.

They play on the primitive ignorance, fears, paranoias, and misunderstandings of a large portion of the population to polarize and divide, many times just to advance personal interests and agendas on the American people's backs. It's a sad state of affairs.

“A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or, perhaps both."
-James Madison

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
-Thomas Jefferson

Well, Mr. Madison and Mr. Jefferson, unfortunately we are currently in the situation you guys so presciently described. Technology was supposed to make this less likely to happen. It has made it more likely.
 
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Under Obama, we had the longest streak of private sector job growth in history. That's a fact.
And Ryan Tannehill has the longest streak of consecutive completions in NFL history. So what? I'll take a higher rate of job growth with a few "bad passes" any day over mediocre growth with a "longest streak" record.
 
Under Obama, we had the longest streak of private sector job growth in history. That's a fact.

U.S. enjoying its longest-lasting streak of jobs growth

When Obama took office we were losing more jobs than any time in 34 years. The economy was a disaster. The DOW was bellow 8,000 and falling. That's a fact.

The economy changed directions under Obama. We recovered from one of the biggest recessions in our history under Obama.

Why can't you swallow your pride and admit Obama did a good job?

Because he was a mixed-race Democrat, more popular than their lord Reagan, elected twice. For cons, there is no forgiving crimes as heinous as those!
 
And Ryan Tannehill has the longest streak of consecutive completions in NFL history. So what? I'll take a higher rate of job growth with a few "bad passes" any day over mediocre growth with a "longest streak" record.

But let me guess: you would be totally OK with the deepest recession in our nation's history, right?
 
Well, when you start at the bottom there isn't any way to go but up.

In February of 2009, when Obama could really start implementing his policies, the unemployment rate was 8.3%. That increased to 10% by October of the same year and hovered around that rate for 6 months. It didn't get below 9% until October of 2011 and didn't reach the 8.3% starting point until January of 2012. At that point the Republicans had been running the House for 2 years. Some consideration should be given to that last fact in that it may well have been Republican policies, not Obama policies that got things back on track.
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

"Running the house" - what a joke! If you mean passing useless "Repeal Obamacare" bills and obstructing everything else, then sure - they were "running the house". Give me a break!
 
Think how much faster we would have recovered had the Repubs actually tried working with Obama, there was plenty of blame to go around between dems and repubs and even Obama, but we the People should have demanded better so we also share some blame. Unfortunately it looks like we still have not learned a thing, our government only operates when it compromises, but today no one wants to compromise on anything meaning something has to change again. I think we will get another reset in 2018 and maybe then things will change, or not. In the end we get the government we deserve as a People.

It seems to me that with 2 years of pure Obama policy we didn't see any significant improvement so I'm not sure how Republicans jumping on that train would have fixed anything. Basically, the improvements really started to take hold once the Democratic policies were put in check.
 
"Running the house" - what a joke! If you mean passing useless "Repeal Obamacare" bills and obstructing everything else, then sure - they were "running the house". Give me a break!

Yeah, pretty much. Once the Democratic policies were stymied and we could finally predict "no change" things started to get better. Prior to that there really couldn't be any improvement because every time we turned around there was the prospect of another regulation, quick "fix", or tax bombshell screwing up private sector fiscal planning.
 
Under Obama, we had the longest streak of private sector job growth in history. That's a fact.

U.S. enjoying its longest-lasting streak of jobs growth

When Obama took office we were losing more jobs than any time in 34 years. The economy was a disaster. The DOW was bellow 8,000 and falling. That's a fact.

The economy changed directions under Obama. We recovered from one of the biggest recessions in our history under Obama.

Why can't you swallow your pride and admit Obama did a good job?

can you admit that the economy had no where to go but UP?
 
But let me guess: you would be totally OK with the deepest recession in our nation's history, right?
And let me guess: you would be totally OK with killing every fluffy, little puppy in the country, right? Got anything not stupid to add to the discussion?
 
can you admit that the economy had no where to go but UP?

Uh, it could have gone further down. Instead of 10% unemployment, we could have hit 25. And, the stock market could have fallen to 3000. You should know that, if you are half as smart as you think you are.
 
It seems to me that with 2 years of pure Obama policy we didn't see any significant improvement so I'm not sure how Republicans jumping on that train would have fixed anything. Basically, the improvements really started to take hold once the Democratic policies were put in check.

as was the case with Clinton-who had the benefit of the dot.com bubble. Newt made Clinton successful
 
Like every other President to have existed Obama did good things. And bad. People tend to focus on negatives far more than positives. I doubt that anyone can honestly say that X President did a "good job" or "bad job" in totality. And even then a person would base their belief on what they personally wanted more. IE: Immigration vs economics or equality vs equity etc etc.

IMO Obama did fairly decent economic wise. Social wise he sucked.

The above is a wonderful example of false equivalency - he's saying (in so many words) "every politician is just as bad as the other", or "all politicians are corrupt".

He looks at the fact that under Obama, we had the longest stretch of private-sector job growth in our nation's history, we had the highest percentage of Americans covered by health insurance in our nation's history, we had the best economic recovery of the nations affected by the Great Recession, we had higher average job growth per year under Obama's last six years than Trump's "we're doing SO much better than Obama" first year...AND Obama did all that while facing the worst degree of political obstruction (from day one) than that faced by any president since Lincoln...

...but Kal'Stang still calls Obama "fairly decent" on the economy.

Then he says Obama "sucked" social-wise. I'm not sure where he's getting that from...unless one's strongly against LGBTQ rights or strongly for the "right" of businesses to serve certain customers for religious reasons, or if one thinks that Obama constantly used racially-inflammatory rhetoric (which is what many on the Right (esp. among the Tea Party and InfoWars crowds) tried to claim).

Under Obama, we were very well-respected among most nations of the world. Under Trump, that's no longer true - Trump has effectively abdicated our nation's preeminence among the nations of the world. Obama led ALL the nations of the planet to join in the Paris Accords (well, except for Syria and Nicaragua, who have both since joined)...and when has an American president (or any other world leader) EVER led all the nations of the world to agree on anything before? Yes, Obama did accomplish something no other world leader had ever done before. Trump pulled America out of the Paris Accords...but the rest of the world remains. Obama also led NATO, Russia, and China to the diplomatic agreements with Iran...and that in and of itself is a truly significant accomplishment by an American president. Obama was pushing the creation of the Trans-Pacific Partnership in order to maintain our nation's economic primacy in the Pacific Basin in the face of China's rise...and Trump pulled us out. Australia's still trying to preserve the framework of the TPP, but it's far weaker than it would have been without America, and so China is filling the vacuum of trade influence left by Trump's "America First" idiocy.

Did he make mistakes? Sure - as Kal'Stang implied, all presidents do good things and bad things - but the key is that by any objective measure (outside of Moscow), and unlike most presidents, Obama's positives FAR outweighed his negatives...especially given that what few scandals did occur were in large part either blown way the heck out of proportion or even made up out of whole cloth by those who hated him. Otherwise, compared to most other presidencies, Obama's administration was almost scandal-free.

In time, historians will agree that Obama was not just a good president, but a great one...and it will be noted with sadness and regret that much of what he accomplished was flushed down the toilet thanks to Trump's narcissism and the ever-growing white nationalism pushed by right-wing media and endemic among much of the GOP as a whole.
 
Under Obama, we had the longest streak of private sector job growth in history. That's a fact.

U.S. enjoying its longest-lasting streak of jobs growth

When Obama took office we were losing more jobs than any time in 34 years. The economy was a disaster. The DOW was bellow 8,000 and falling. That's a fact.

The economy changed directions under Obama. We recovered from one of the biggest recessions in our history under Obama.

Why can't you swallow your pride and admit Obama did a good job?

Perhaps, because, he didn't?

And would it kill you learn a little macro-economics before pleading critics for confessions of error?

In a nutshell:

1) Business cycles are natural. Recovery always follows recessions.
2) Politicians usually can do little to enhance recoveries, but they can cripple them with bad policy.
3) The last recession was unusually deep and Bush,Obama, and Bernanke initially did the only thing they could; backstop with liquidity and propping up the banks.
4) On the other hand, the recovery was the slowest in history and the later "stimulus" completely in effective.

Did Obama do a good job? Given the constant brow-beating of Wall Street, interference in compensation, injustices to stockholders on behalf of unions, impact of Obamacare on wages, pointless "stimulus" spending, etc. I would say no. Consider these propositions:

1) Bush's and Obama's short-run bandaids, and Obama's campaign of Wall Street and Bank intimidation, since the Fall of 2008 caused contributed to increasing economic uncertainty, have had little positive effect on the economy. The persistent and high level of uncertainty caused by a grab bag of expensive programs (car rebates, mortgage subsidies, alternative energy subsidies, etc.), government obstacles to foreclosure, and mortgage industry retribution (and constant threats) delayed job creation and recovery (especially in construction).

2) The sudden and dramatic expansion of the "safety net" (food stamps, extended unemployment benefits to nearly two years, SSI disability, etc.) effectively paid people to remain unemployed. As much as 2/3rds reduction in labor employment is explained by this (Mulligan (2011).

3) Obama should have instituted tax reform, lowering the corporate rate to current levels, and that would have shifted taxes from income to consumption. The long-term reduction in income taxes would have provided more stable incentives for entrepreneurs to start businesses that in turn generate more jobs and more taxable income.A long-term reduction in corporate taxes would have provided more incentives for individuals to incorporate, which would have expanded the tax base, and provided incentives for existing multinational companies to invest more in the U.S..

In other words, Obama pursued measures that made recovery worse and failed to support policies that would have helped the economy recover faster.

No, he was not a good President.
 
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Well, when you start at the bottom there isn't any way to go but up.

In February of 2009, when Obama could really start implementing his policies, the unemployment rate was 8.3%. That increased to 10% by October of the same year and hovered around that rate for 6 months. It didn't get below 9% until October of 2011 and didn't reach the 8.3% starting point until January of 2012. At that point the Republicans had been running the House for 2 years. Some consideration should be given to that last fact in that it may well have been Republican policies, not Obama policies that got things back on track.
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

That's because IT TAKES TIME TO CHANGE THINGS. It's not like this Trump fantasy where he steps into office and the first month he starts claiming credit for the economy. A basic principle of science is it takes work to produce change. And a large mass with a lot of momentum requires a lot of work to change its direction.

Why not stop the charade? If the economy is good one year after Obama and it hasn't changed directions then Obama did a good job. Hopefully, Trump does a good job too.
 
Perhaps, because, he didn't?
1) Business cycles are natural. Recovery always follows recessions.

Wrong, recoveries can take decades if not handled properly by politicians.

Japan's Lost Decade: Brief History and Lessons

Moreover, if that were the case, wouldn't stock values anticipate these recoveries? Are you saying that people who were selling DOW stocks at 8K knew that a few years later it would be at 17K? They knew that they could more than double their money in 5 years and they sold their stocks anyway? I call BS on that.


2) Politicians usually can do little to enhance recoveries, but they can cripple them with bad policy.

What if Bush hadn't passed TARP? Could Bush have passed TARP if Obama had opposed it and encouraged Democrats to oppose it?

Does anyone still think it would have been a good idea to let GM fail and be bought out by foreigners? Do you give Obama credit for that?

Government is the biggest customer in any economy. What politicians do with the budget has a huge effect on the economy. Obama increased spending to boost the economy. It worked.


3) The last recession was unusually deep and Bush,Obama, and Bernanke initially did the only thing they could; backstop with liquidity and propping up the banks.

So you admit that it was an "unusually deep" recession?

Many people didn't want TARP. There are fools who still complain about us "bailing out the banks." Fortunately, Obama didn't listen to them. Saving Wall Street is not what liberals typically do.

How many times did I hear conservatives complaining about Fed policy and QE? How many times did we hear them saying the dollar was going to become worthless and inflation would be out of controls.

Conservatives were wrong at every single point.

4) On the other hand, the recovery was the slowest in history and the later "stimulus" completely in effective.

It wasn't the slowest recovery in history. It was the slowest recovery since WWII. But guess what? It was the worst recession since WWII. The greater the injury, the more time it takes to recover. That's if you recover at all.

That's been the core complaint. The recovery was slow. But the recession was severe. It's just common sense!

Did Obama do a good job?

Yes, he did, would it kill you to admit it instead of all this partisan spin?
 
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