Conservatives mount a whisper campaign smearing Khashoggi in defense of Trump

[markjs]

You don't believe that Kashoggi has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood?

You do realize, any legit journalist, is gonna have contacts everytwhere they can? Helps them report effectively, but it doesn't necessarily make them a part of the cause.

 

[ludin]

The link doesn't send me to the right story.
Nevertheless, the complaints about a smear campaign is still hilarious considering what we all observed in September into October.

I saw stories about Khashoggi and the Muslim Brotherhood connection over a week ago.
He doesn't deserve to meet his end this way, assuming he did, but the M.B./Khashoggi story was still worth reporting even though it didn't appear in the major outlets until they could come up with the right angle.

I didn't even know who the guy was until he was mentioned.

when they said he was captured and possibly killed. I was like well he probably stuck his nose where it doesn't belong.
they have every strict rules over there and people are expected to follow them to the letter.

This guy was playing with fire by entering the embassy over there from my understanding. if he was caught snooping into something
he shouldn't have been caught snooping in then well he knew the risks for doing what he was doing.

if they considered him a spy more the worse.
there is little that trump can do about it.

 

[lwf]

You do realize, any legit journalist, is gonna have contacts everytwhere they can? Helps them report effectively, but it doesn't necessarily make them a part of the cause.

I don't have a problem with it. Mycroft claimed Kashoggi has ties to the MB, but then said he doesn't believe anything (He reads about the case, I presumed.) If he is skeptical of the Saudi's suspected involvement in K's death, shouldn't he be skeptical of K's involvement in the MB?

 

[ludin]

You do realize, any legit journalist, is gonna have contacts everytwhere they can? Helps them report effectively, but it doesn't necessarily make them a part of the cause.

You do realize that some contacts are worse than other contacts? You do realize that in the ME that having certain contacts can mean your death by someone else?
Kashoggi rolled the dice one too many times and this time he hit snake eyes.

He knew the risk in doing what he was doing. He went somewhere that he shouldn't have gone and got into some trouble that he shouldn't have gotten into.
unfortunately it cost him his life. he entered the saudi embassy and evidently was in a place he shouldn't have been in to get caught.

there is little that trump can do about it.

 

[lwf]

I didn't even know who the guy was until he was mentioned.

when they said he was captured and possibly killed. I was like well he probably stuck his nose where it doesn't belong.
they have every strict rules over there and people are expected to follow them to the letter.

This guy was playing with fire by entering the embassy over there from my understanding. if he was caught snooping into something
he shouldn't have been caught snooping in then well he knew the risks for doing what he was doing.

if they considered him a spy more the worse.
there is little that trump can do about it.

The complication is that he was a journalist who was critical of the Saudi regime. If he was murdered due to his criticism of the regime and the Saudis were behind it, then the US is selling weapons to a government who uses them to murder dissidents. That is why people are concerned about this.

 

[MrShangles]

From the Washington Post...
Exact title: "Conservatives mount a whisper campaign smearing Khashoggi in defense of Trump"

Snippet:
Well, these actions are deplorable. We have an intrepid journalist murdered by the royal dictator family and all the apparatchiks in the Republican Party and their cronies in the right-wing media want to do is shield Trump from any and all criticism of his handling of this matter, which includes backing the royal dictators of Saudi Arabia.

Do you have all the facts yet, or should we just go ahead and drop the bomb, liberals don’t need facts, plus it’s another country anyway, let them handle their own problems.


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[lwf]

Do you have all the facts yet, or should we just go ahead and drop the bomb, liberals don’t need facts, plus it’s another country anyway, let them handle their own problems.


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A country we're selling weapons to.

 

[ludin]

The complication is that he was a journalist who was critical of the Saudi regime. If he was murdered due to his criticism of the regime and the Saudis were behind it, then the US is selling weapons to a government who uses them to murder dissidents. That is why people are concerned about this.

You don't know the laws over there very well do you?
They are very very strict and there is no such thing as the freedom of speech or freedom of the press.

then again he knew that. they are very very strict over there about what you can say how you can say it and everything else.

again he knew the dangers of what he was doing.

 

[lwf]

You don't know the laws over there very well do you?
They are very very strict and there is no such thing as the freedom of speech or freedom of the press.

then again he knew that. they are very very strict over there about what you can say how you can say it and everything else.

again he knew the dangers of what he was doing.

I don't argue that he knew what he was doing. I argue that maybe we shouldn't be selling weapons to a country that puts dissenting journalists to death.

 

[Mycroft]

The facts are he went into the Saudi consulate, disappeared, and is by all rational thinking DEAD.

The entire Saudi royal family has much bigger "ties to terrorists" and basically anyone who has any position of power in the ME has "ties to terrorists" so that's like saying he was a Saudi, today is October 19th, and it's around 3pm. So what?

So. The only fact you have is that he entered the embassy and that nobody has seen him since. Other than that, you know nothing and are speculating.

Thanks, but I'll wait for more facts.

LOL!! WHATABOUT the Saudis!!!

Dismissed.

 

[Mycroft]

Our own intelligence says that this happened. The Turks say they have audio of the event.

Turkish nationals in the embassy staff were sent home early.

Let's review the Saudi response.

First, we know nothing about it.
Then, oh, he was here but he left on his own.
Then, well, he didn't leave. It was an interrogation gone wrong. I guess we had to chop him up with the bone saw that happened to be available with an expert in bone saws, that just happened to stop by.
But... the royal family had no knowledge of this.
Then, we learn from the NY Times, who used facial recognition software, that 9 of the 15 agents sent there to kill K were known associates of the Prince.

In all of this, Trump backs the Saudis.

Lots of speculation. Lots of stuff said by unnamed. Or uncredible people. Very few hard facts.

You may like that stuff. I'm not interested.

 

[radioman]

I don't have a problem with it. Mycroft claimed Kashoggi has ties to the MB, but then said he doesn't believe anything (He reads about the case, I presumed.) If he is skeptical of the Saudi's suspected involvement in K's death, shouldn't he be skeptical of K's involvement in the MB?

One would think.....but for some people it's much easier to wait for their leader to tell them what to believe, I guess.

 

[JasperL]

So. The only fact you have is that he entered the embassy and that nobody has seen him since. Other than that, you know nothing and are speculating.

Thanks, but I'll wait for more facts.

Great. You want to wager those facts will include that he's DEAD? Friendly... no money. Of course you won't because the odds are roughly 100% he's dead or the FACT is the Saudis would have produced evidence he left alive, with their multiple cameras covering every entrance and exit.

LOL!! WHATABOUT the Saudis!!!

Dismissed.

You brought up the bogus "connections to terrorists!!!!!" BS. I'm just pointing out how silly that point is for someone who was high up in the Saudi government for years. Everyone in the Saudi government, 100% of them, has "connections to terrorists" most especially the royal family.

 

[Mycroft]

Great. You want to wager those facts will include that he's DEAD? Friendly... no money. Of course you won't because the odds are roughly 100% he's dead or the FACT is the Saudis would have produced evidence he left alive, with their multiple cameras covering every entrance and exit.



You brought up the bogus "connections to terrorists!!!!!" BS. I'm just pointing out how silly that point is for someone who was high up in the Saudi government for years. Everyone in the Saudi government, 100% of them, has "connections to terrorists" most especially the royal family.

I'll just wait for the facts...thanks.

The guy"s connection to the MB is well established. Nothing about the Saudis change that.

 

[trouble13]

From the Washington Post...
Exact title: "Conservatives mount a whisper campaign smearing Khashoggi in defense of Trump"

Snippet:
Well, these actions are deplorable. We have an intrepid journalist murdered by the royal dictator family and all the apparatchiks in the Republican Party and their cronies in the right-wing media want to do is shield Trump from any and all criticism of his handling of this matter, which includes backing the royal dictators of Saudi Arabia.

Assuming the worst what would you want Trump to do about it? What is the appropriate response to this?

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[Grokmaster]

From the Washington Post...
Exact title: "Conservatives mount a whisper campaign smearing Khashoggi in defense of Trump"

Snippet:
Well, these actions are deplorable. We have an intrepid journalist murdered by the royal dictator family and all the apparatchiks in the Republican Party and their cronies in the right-wing media want to do is shield Trump from any and all criticism of his handling of this matter, which includes backing the royal dictators of Saudi Arabia.

Who needs to "smear" Khashoggi? The TRUTH is damning enough.

While the Fake News keeps trying to present the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, PRO-TERRORIST, ISLAMIST as the "Beacon of Freedom and Justice", NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH ABOUT HIM.

The left wants him CANONIZED because he worked for one of the worst TDS FAKE NEWS media outlets on the planet, naturally.

 

[Fletch]

From the Washington Post...
Exact title: "Conservatives mount a whisper campaign smearing Khashoggi in defense of Trump"

Snippet:
Well, these actions are deplorable. We have an intrepid journalist murdered by the royal dictator family and all the apparatchiks in the Republican Party and their cronies in the right-wing media want to do is shield Trump from any and all criticism of his handling of this matter, which includes backing the royal dictators of Saudi Arabia.

Nonsense. Trump has nothing to do with this guys murder so there is nothing to 'shield' him from.

 

[trouble13]

Do you have all the facts yet, or should we just go ahead and drop the bomb, liberals don’t need facts, plus it’s another country anyway, let them handle their own problems.


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Not to mention it's brown people and they don't care about them unless they have access to a voting booth

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[Fletch]

Assuming the worst what would you want Trump to do about it? What is the appropriate response to this?

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Liberals dont have answers. They are simply going to criticize anything Trump does, no matter what it is. The truth is, there is nothing we can do about it.

 

[lwf]

Liberals dont have answers. They are simply going to criticize anything Trump does, no matter what it is. The truth is, there is nothing we can do about it.

Not sell the Saudis weapons to use against journalists would be one thing.

 

[Crossfire]

So this guy was purported to have been killed by the Saudi Arabian government in the Saudi embassy in Turkey? Why again should this one individual cause the president to change policy toward Saudi Arabia? Because he was a journalist? He was not an American citizen. Should we change foreign policy every time a person from another country is killed in another country by another country's government, or is this just a special case to use as a hit on the president?

 

[MTAtech]

Lots of speculation. Lots of stuff said by unnamed. Or uncredible people. Very few hard facts.

You may like that stuff. I'm not interested.

Well, if he wasn't dead, don't you think he would have shown up by now? It doesn't seem like a far-fetched stretch to think he was dead, especially when Turkish intelligence and American intelligence confirm same. To rework Upton Sinclair's quote, “It is difficult to convince a man to understand something, when his cognitive dissonance depends on his not understanding it.”

 

[MTAtech]

Who needs to "smear" Khashoggi? The TRUTH is damning enough.

While the Fake News keeps trying to present the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, PRO-TERRORIST, ISLAMIST as the "Beacon of Freedom and Justice", NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH ABOUT HIM.

The left wants him CANONIZED because he worked for one of the worst TDS FAKE NEWS media outlets on the planet, naturally.

Even if Khashoggi was everything Trump loyalists make up say, does that justify killing him, without trial and then cutting him up for disposal? Then, making up a cover-up story? Wasn't Trump the one condemning others for not adhering to 'innocent until proven guilty' -- or does that just apply to people Trump likes?

The reality is that there is no excuse the Trump fascists can invent that justifies murdering a journalist. None.

 

[JMR]

This isn't breaking news.
It's a biased opinion piece, a WA Post Power piece.

I'd like to correct the link to get to the correct article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...397227b43f0_story.html?utm_term=.b4b20ae79c8c

And also point out the Power Post is not an opinion column, but specialized reporting on government related issues. Read the article. It is obviously not an opinion piece.

Power Post was launched in 2015:

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[Grokmaster]

Even if Khashoggi was everything Trump loyalists make up say, does that justify killing him, without trial and then cutting him up for disposal? Then, making up a cover-up story? Wasn't Trump the one condemning others for not adhering to 'innocent until proven guilty' -- or does that just apply to people Trump likes?

The reality is that there is no excuse the Trump fascists can invent that justifies murdering a journalist. None.

Yeah..it's "Trump's Fault".

Squabbles between islamists are hardly reason for the US to change our foreign policy.

Where was all this OUTRAGE when Nick Berg was beheaded? Oh yeah...the SAME LYING LEFT BLAMED BUSH for it....