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Confederate monuments[W:1182]

Re: Confederate monuments

Master PO said:
are you still going to call the civil war a war of insurrection...no!.... i don't see you wanting to be shown to be wrong again.
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You are always, always wrong.

The US Congress, US Presidents and the US Supreme Court defined the Confederate states in a state of insurrection.

You have been shown this about 40 times now. You are just too enormously stilted to grasp those facts.

The readers of this thread are fully aware of your enormous embarrassment. Suck it up, chuck.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Which, of course, is only to be expected. Why on earth would we just turn over control of the southern states to the same people who lead their half baked revolt?

Of course, that's what we did far too soon, and loyal Americans paid for it.
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did not make that argument, but many think the south went back to what is was right after the war, and the south did not control it own affairs for years
 
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Paperview said:
You are always, always wrong.

The US Congress, US Presidents and the US Supreme Court defined the Confederate states in a state of insurrection.

You have been shown this about 40 times now. You are just too enormously stilted to grasp those facts.

The readers of this thread are fully aware of your enormous embarrassment. Suck it up, chuck.
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its funny to see your posting buck the federal government library of congress and all the other links i posted, but you go ahead an keep trying.

Master PO said:
The civil war..... a War of Rebellion

Browse | Cornell University Library Making of America Collection

https://ehistory.osu.edu/books/official-records

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Records_of_the_War_of_the_Rebellion

https://www.amazon.com/Master-Rebellion-Compilation-Official-Confederate/dp/B004UBBEGE

The Official Records of the War of the Rebellion

http://[B]www.wiu.edu/libraries/govpubs/war_ofthe_rebellion[/B]/

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/the-war-of-the-rebellion-and-the-naming-of-the-american-civil-war/
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katzgar said:
Post CW events do suggest the north should have occupied the south for several more decades at the least.
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True. At least that way African Americans and loyal Americans would have had their basic human rights maintained.
 
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Re: Confederate monuments

Master PO said:
did not make that argument, but many think the south went back to what is was right after the war, and the south did not control it own affairs for years
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What?

"Many think the south went back to what is was right"?

So white supremacism and depriving American citizens of their constitutional rights and often outright murdering them is what's "right"?

Think about what you said for a minute.

Seeing as within twenty years of the war ending the south was back in control if it's affairs, that statement is false.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
What?

"Many think the south went back to what is was right"?

So white supremacism and depriving American citizens of their constitutional rights and often outright murdering them is what's "right"?

Think about what you said for a minute.

Seeing as within twenty years of the war ending the south was back in control if it's affairs, that statement is false.
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you need to remember who do you think was running the state governments after the war for years, the north..[which is what i meant]...the passing of the 13- 14 -15th amendments
 
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Master PO said:
you need to remember who do you think was running the state governments after the war for years, the north..[which is what i meant]...the passing of the 13- 14 -15th amendments
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No, after the end of Reconstruction, control of the southern states was passed back to the southern states, who often gleefully ignored or delibrately misinterpreted those amendments.
 
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notquiteright said:
Well substitutions was a time honored tradition in American armies, elite slave owners and businessmen could buy a replacement to serve in their stead during our glorious insurrection back in 17 70...ahhh something like that... so from before we were a Republic the elite could opt out but enjoy the benefits.

But let's not forget the South allowed the rich to buy a substitute as well, and the price tag was a pretty penny more than a Yankee's replacement...

I kinda lost track of the beef, but if it's about the elite having an advantage over the common man, the late enlistees were promised land in 'The Ohio' in exchange for service, when it came time to collect on that promise the new government gave that land to the speculators who held IOUs. So those who risked their lives had to buy any Ohio land from those who risked some money.

The definitions of both words use both words so not real sure why the quibble over the terms... :peace
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You are talking to the ultimate quibbler.

Po PO man seems to think that because the rebels were....rebels...(which no one argues) it was, simply....a ...rebellion (der) it was not also an insurrection.

The rebels were the actors, the Confederate states were also insurgents. He thinks this matters dearly to his def - in -ish - shuns. Even though there is a hellalota synonymoussssnnnnesss.

It has been shown to him repeatedly -- it was both, and very clearly -- by the US Congress, by numerous Proclamations by two presidents, (approved by Congress), by numerous Supreme Court rulings, it was such, he holds onto this bizarre definition of "it was a rebellion!!" dammit, as if it matters.
 
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katzgar said:
Those defending keeping The Monuments were they have been are bigots and racist
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I guess that I am a northern bigot who had have family members die in the civil war as I do not agree with such actions as taking Robert E Lee monument down as he was one of the greatest military minds born in the US.

I share President Grant respect for the man as a matter of fact.
 
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here is a link to a monument in my home town, where I was born & raised, where I grew up

https://www.nps.gov/nr/feature/places/pdfs/13001124.pdf

hopefully this very small piece of history will not be destroyed by those that are afraid of history

Shreveport, Louisiana was the headquarter of The Trans-Mississippi Department

once a people destroy history then history ceases to be, and those that seek to remember history and learn from that history will no longer remember, nor learn

No, I am not a racist but history needs to be preserved

be careful of the ignorance wished for
 
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cuban smokes said:
here is a link to a monument ...
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Here's another.


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history gave Lincoln what he deserved .................. a box & a grave ................
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No, I am not a racist but history needs to be preserved

be careful of the ignorance wished for
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Indeed.
 
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poweRob said:
So you think its the North that is holding civil war grudges? :lol:

Its nothing in comparison to Southerners' grudges about it. Not even close.
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The anti-South are the folks erasing all Confederate symbolism. Not the other way around. No one has demanded that Joshua Chamberlain's statue be removed from Bowden College.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Which, of course, is only to be expected. Why on earth would we just turn over control of the southern states to the same people who lead their half baked revolt?

Of course, that's what we did far too soon, and loyal Americans paid for it.
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Most of the great Generals of the 20th Century were Southerners and most of those were sons of Confederate veterans. Seeing how their talent during WW2 was priceless, it's a good thing Reconstruction didn't last any longer than it did.
 
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cuban smokes said:
here is a link to a monument in my home town, where I was born & raised, where I grew up

https://www.nps.gov/nr/feature/places/pdfs/13001124.pdf

hopefully this very small piece of history will not be destroyed by those that are afraid of history

Shreveport, Louisiana was the headquarter of The Trans-Mississippi Department

once a people destroy history then history ceases to be, and those that seek to remember history and learn from that history will no longer remember, nor learn

No, I am not a racist but history needs to be preserved

be careful of the ignorance wished for
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nothing is being destroyed you are making crap up
 
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BillRM said:
I guess that I am a northern bigot who had have family members die in the civil war as I do not agree with such actions as taking Robert E Lee monument down as he was one of the greatest military minds born in the US.

I share President Grant respect for the man as a matter of fact.
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yes, your post is certainly racist
 
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katzgar said:
nothing is being destroyed you are making crap up
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yes, cowards in flak jackets, helmets, and mask covering their faces are destroying history, in the dead of night, and folks are making crap up?

LOL ............ what a .... wad .................
 
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apdst said:
Most of the great Generals of the 20th Century were Southerners and most of those were sons of Confederate veterans. Seeing how their talent during WW2 was priceless, it's a good thing Reconstruction didn't last any longer than it did.
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A lot of blacks would likely disagree with you but then they dont matter do they.
 
Re: Confederate monuments

Master PO said:
no, thats no correct, insurrection and rebellion mean two different things

here is what the federal govenrment calls the war:
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Actually the federal government could use either word, if you care to look at any definitions they both use each other when describing the activity. Rebellion had several different definitions depending on the degree of organization.

Seems a silly point to argue about, but then again it is the internet... :peace
 
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