Confederate monuments[W:1182]

[slick]

Re: Confederate monuments

my friend you are never going to be correct , so you might as well stop your silliness


congress in the beginning of 1861 just before the civil war authorizes the president to call out militias to quell rebellions

congress does not authorize the president to call out militias to quell insurrections until 1869

you need to read title 10

You beat me to it. I was going to offer a similar response.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: Confederate monuments

It's fun watching conservatives pay homage and defend racist southern conservatives who honored and fought for White Supremacy.

let me know when that happens. I haven't seen that yet. And unlike much of the whiners-I actually had substantial numbers of family members fight for the North.

The party that brought us slavery and continues to try to keep blacks dependent and in a second class state tries to exorcise the demons of its history by whining about their own ancestors and pretending those slavers were Republicans

 

[Master PO]

Re: Confederate monuments

It's fun watching conservatives pay homage and defend racist southern conservatives who honored and fought for White Supremacy.

:lamo

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: Confederate monuments

Were those Democrats back then conservative or liberal and which party do they belong to now ?

conservative and liberal are not useful terms when looking through years of history. right now, the status quo is welfare socialism and those who think the answer to everything is more "welfare socialism" are hardly "liberal"

the paper terms involve things like federal statist or anti federal statist.

 

[Paperview]

Re: Confederate monuments

my friend you are never going to be correct , so you might as well stop your silliness


congress in the beginning of 1861 just before the civil war authorizes the president to call out militias to quell rebellions

congress does not authorize the president to call out militias to quell insurrections until 1869

you need to read title 10

You are not my friend, so don't call me one -- and I don't believe I've run across someone as blatantly obtuse as you. Even after showing you CONGRESS (going as far back as 1795) gave the president the power -- and producing the congressional acts you say didn't exist, you persist in your ignorance.

I am just happy to see you keep embarrassing yourself, as it reduces what tiny bit of credibility you have left.

 

[Master PO]

Re: Confederate monuments

You are not my friend, so don't call me one -- and I don't believe I've run across someone as blatantly obtuse as you. Even after showing you CONGRESS (going as far back as 1795) gave the president the power -- and producing the congressional acts you say didn't exist, you persist in your ignorance.

I am just happy to see you keep embarrassing yourself, as it reduces what tiny bit of credibility you have left.

you have not read the militia acts of 1792 1795 and the insurrection act of 1807, and title 10 is what you really need to read.

when you read you will see the president cannot call out the militias for insurrections in 1861 ...... but only in 1869

 

[katzgar]

Re: Confederate monuments

you have assumed people in the military in the south are all from the north, as well has assuming everyone oversea is as well

Incorrect I would assume them to be largely mixed up although I would also assume that the Army infantry probably leans more towards to be in Southerners and the officer corps is going to be more Northerners cuz they're more educated

 

[katzgar]

Re: Confederate monuments

let me know when that happens. I haven't seen that yet. And unlike much of the whiners-I actually had substantial numbers of family members fight for the North.

The party that brought us slavery and continues to try to keep blacks dependent and in a second class state tries to exorcise the demons of its history by whining about their own ancestors and pretending those slavers were Republicans

Your view of history is seriously Warped

 

[Master PO]

Re: Confederate monuments

Incorrect I would assume them to be largely mixed up although I would also assume that the Army infantry probably leans more towards to be in Southerners and the officer corps is going to be more Northerners cuz they're more educated

:lamo....this kind of thing is why your post carry no weight!

 

[katzgar]

Re: Confederate monuments

I asked you to refute anything I expressed with factual knowledge & to please elaborate, and you merely regurgitate the same nonsense.
You offer nothing, your posts are where threads go to die. The reason you are assigning my position incorrect & inaccurate is because you don't
want to believe the truth & as your comeback suugests you certainly aren't able enough to refute it.

Here is another thought for you to ponder: Soooooo!....if the War of Northern Aggression was about slavery.
Is it your opinion that had the south abolished slavery and then after abolishing slavery seceded,
Lincoln wouldn't have invaded. Of course he would have the war was simply to keep the Union whole, as he stated.

You said somebody's trying to mothball history that is a lie you are incorrect you are inaccurate. I suggest you review the articles of secession in which of the southern states say the war was about maintaining slavery I know you're a southerner and I know how you people like to rewrite history but it is what it is

 

[katzgar]

Re: Confederate monuments

:lamo....this kind of thing is why your post carry no weight!

Prove me wrong officer corps are always better educated and Northerners on average are better educated than Southerers
Northerners have higher graduation rates from high school and Northerners have higher graduates from college now you're trying to create a world based on lies that's classic southern logic

 

[Master PO]

Re: Confederate monuments

Prove me wrong officer corps are always better educated and Northerners on average are better educated than Southerers
Northerners have higher graduation rates from high school and Northerners have higher graduates from college now you're trying to create a world based on lies that's classic southern logic

classic !...

you make a wild claim you cannot prove, and yet you tell me i must prove you wrong, it does not work that way.

 

[Paperview]

Re: Confederate monuments

you have not read the militia acts of 1792 1795 and the insurrection act of 1807, and title 10 is what you really need to read.

when you read you will see the president cannot call out the militias for insurrections in 1861 ...... but only in 1869

I have read the 1795 law, and even cited it. Talk about dense.

Anyone interested, I invite to look up the 1807 Insurrection Act.

At this point, it's like talking to a 12 year old.

 

[Master PO]

Re: Confederate monuments

I have read the 1795 law, and even cited it. Talk about dense.

Anyone interested, I invite to look up the 1807 insurrection Act.

At this point, it's like talking to a 12 year old.

you didn't read it very good:doh, because if you had you would see that the president cannot call out the militia unless approval is given by the state legislature.

in 1807 under the insurrection act the president can call out regular troops for insurrection.......Lincoln called out militias

in 1861 congress authorizes the president to call out the militias for rebellions without state legislature approval

in 1869 congress authorizes the presidnet to call out militias for insurrections without state legislature approval

 

[Paperview]

Re: Confederate monuments

Like I said -- a 12 year old.

There comes a point where adults recognize they are talking to stunted children.

It was apparent long ago. Keep pogo-sticking your tenuous grasp of history for all to witness. I have better things to do than watch incorrigibles bounce on their neo-confederate sticks of delusion.

Ta.

 

[katzgar]

Re: Confederate monuments

classic !...

you make a wild claim you cannot prove, and yet you tell me i must prove you wrong, it does not work that way.

You're trying to ignore an obvious reality if you don't know if that Northerners on average are better educated than Southerners you've been in the Backwoods way too long

 

[Master PO]

Re: Confederate monuments

You're trying to ignore an obvious reality if you don't know if that Northerners on average are better educated than Southerners you've been in the Backwoods way too long

very judgmental here you are

here we see some of true left thinking in their are the rest of the nations superiors.

 

[Paperview]

Re: Confederate monuments

One more thing, not for po PO, as he is incapable of learning (side note: about 9 months ago, po PO made a huge to-do about the records of Congress being wrong, as a early citation optically character-recognized a date that was obviously a typo ( As early 19th century books as optically character-recognized will do from time to time) -- and went on about 20 posts complaining about the debates of the Constitutional Convention being inaccurate -- and when it was shown to him from other records of Congress - without a doubt - is was just a typo of that date (a 3 for an 8) citation - refused to accept it, yeah THAT'S how dumbed down he gets...)

but for others ...

"The citation for this case is 25 US [12 Wheaton] 19. It’s a Supreme Court case from 1827, argued January 17 and decided February 2 on a 7-0 vote.

During the War of 1812, President James Madison called out the militia in accordance with the Militia Act of 1795. New York’s Governor Daniel Tompkins ordered several companies of the New York militia to gather in New York City. Private Jacob Mott refused to muster with his company. A court-martial found Mott guilty and fined him $96, which he refused to pay. The marshal, Martin, seized property belonging to Mott as a result, and Mott sued to recover his property. The New York State courts sided with Mott and Martin appealed to the Supreme Court.

Martin v. Mott was a major precedent supporting President Abraham Lincoln’s decision to act decisively in the early days of the Civil War. The case gave substantive authority to the president as the commander in chief.” [Kermit L. Hall, ed., The Oxford Guide to United States Supreme Court Decisions, p. 176]

The power to determine whether the emergency exists to call out the militia, then, belongs exclusively to the President, and his determination that the emergency exists must be followed."

Martin v. Mott

 

[Master PO]

Re: Confederate monuments

Like I said -- a 12 year old.

There comes a point where adults recognize they are talking to stunted children.

It was apparent long ago. Keep pogo-sticking your tenuous grasp of history for all to witness. I have better things to do than watch incorrigibles bounce on their neo-confederate sticks of delusion.

Ta.

you will not even quote me now....how embarrassing for you.

 

[Master PO]

Re: Confederate monuments

One more thing, not for po PO, as he is incapable of learning (side note: about 8 months ago, Po PO made a huge to-do about the records of Congress being wrong, as a early citation optically character-recognized a date that was obviously a typo ( As early 19th century books as optically character-recognized will do from time to time) -- and went on about 20 posts complaining about the debates of the Constitutional Cnvention being inaccurate -- and when it was shown to him from other records of Congress - without a doubt - is was just a typo of that citation - refused to accept it, yeah THAT'S how dumbed down he gets...)

but for others ...

"The citation for this case is 25 US [12 Wheaton] 19. It’s a Supreme Court case from 1827, argued January 17 and decided February 2 on a 7-0 vote.

During the War of 1812, President James Madison called out the militia in accordance with the Militia Act of 1795. New York’s Governor Daniel Tompkins ordered several companies of the New York militia to gather in New York City. Private Jacob Mott refused to muster with his company. A court-martial found Mott guilty and fined him $96, which he refused to pay. The marshal, Martin, seized property belonging to Mott as a result, and Mott sued to recover his property. The New York State courts sided with Mott and Martin appealed to the Supreme Court.

Martin v. Mott was a major precedent supporting President Abraham Lincoln’s decision to act decisively in the early days of the Civil War. The case gave substantive authority to the president as the commander in chief.” [Kermit L. Hall, ed., The Oxford Guide to United States Supreme Court Decisions, p. 176]

The power to determine whether the emergency exists to call out the militia, then, belongs exclusively to the President, and his determination that the emergency exists must be followed."

https://studycivilwar.wordpress.com/2015/12/15/martin-v-mott/

you didn't read it very good:doh, because if you had you would see that the president cannot call out the militia unless approval is given by the state legislatures.

in 1807 under the insurrection act the president can call out regular troops for insurrection.......Lincoln called out militias

in early 1861 congress authorizes the president to call out the militias for rebellions without state legislature approval

in 1869 congress authorizes the presidnet to call out militias for insurrections without state legislature approval

fort summer is on apr 12-14 1865, Lincoln calls out militia on the 15th, there is no possible way to call out militias of states by getting state legislative authority to do it, not enough time

 

[calamity]

Re: Confederate monuments

the act of 1863-think that through

Retroactive.

 

[Master PO]

Re: Confederate monuments

The 1795 Act For Calling Forth The Militia

it shall be lawful for the President of the United States, on application of the legislature of such state, or of the Executive, (when the legislature cannot be convened,) to call forth such number of the militia of any other state or states, as may be applied for, as he may judge sufficient to suppress such insurrection.

1795 Act For Calling Forth The Militia

 

[Paperview]

Re: Confederate monuments

The 1795 Act For Calling Forth The Militia

it shall be lawful for the President of the United States, on application of the legislature of such state, or of the Executive, (when the legislature cannot be convened,) to call forth such number of the militia of any other state or states, as may be applied for, as he may judge sufficient to suppress such insurrection.

1795 Act For Calling Forth The Militia

:lamo

And thus, po PO reduces his entire argument, bolded and outlined in red

 

[Paperview]

Re: Confederate monuments

No one need give the 12 year old mentality any quarter.

He has blown any shred.

 

[Master PO]

Re: Confederate monuments

:lamo

And thus, po PO reduces his entire argument, bolded and outlined in red

its sad, you try to deflect your terrible argument, but your case is dead.

Lincoln was not authorized to call out militias for insurrections in 1861 because it was not possible to get state approval in 1 day, so Lincoln called out militias for a rebellion which congress had authorized the president a month earlier