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Confederate monuments[W:1182]

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well to assert something as if their is connection does not work

But there likely was a connection--- that's the thing. There's a higher probability that there was one than there wasn't.
 
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slavery did not end until 1833 in the empire.

but for some reason its not talked about much

They didn't have a civil war over it. That's probably why.

Plus the Royal Navy was largely responsible for putting an end to the slave trade, which gets them some props.
 
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way, most of the military bases are in the south and well has the companies that service them


Actually most bases are overseas and most people in today's military are Northern
 
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They didn't have a civil war over it. That's probably why.

Plus the Royal Navy was largely responsible for putting an end to the slave trade, which gets them some props.

but the practice existed but its never mentioned even though people suffered
 
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you failed in your producing that proclamation

instead of looking an the liberty of congress

The fail is all yours. You're not even reading it, or fail to comprehend it if you are. Or more likely, you're being purposefully obtuse.

It's impossible to have a conversation with someone who can't even accept plain words spelled out.
 
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Actually most bases are overseas and most people in today's military are Northern

you didn't understand

most bases meaning within the u.s. are in the south, and most of the companies which service those military entities are southern based
 
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The fail is all yours. You're not even reading it, or fail to comprehend it if you are. Or more likely, you're being purposefully obtuse.

It's impossible to have a conversation with someone who can't even accept plain words spelled out.

like you i did read it.

its a speech given by the president which means nothing because it has no legality to it.
 
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i know and understand the constitution better then you and its a limiting document on the federal government

LOL! Which is why you deny its definition of treason. Yeah, that sure makes sense.

Again, good luck with your magical thinking.
 
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but the practice existed but its never mentioned even though people suffered

I'm sure it's mentioned in England. But we aren't a part of England anymore; people tend to focus more on our crimes at times.
 
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I'm sure it's mentioned in England. But we aren't a part of England anymore; people tend to focus more on our crimes at times.

people tend to get emotional over things of long past, instead of using logic and reason
 
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What exactly are you trying to imply? Do you actually think that the tank in my profile picture is a Tiger I?

Do you actually want to hear the story of why I chose this particular user name, or are you simply Godwin-ing?

You got a nazi tank as your username. You figure it out.
 
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people tend to get emotional over things of long past, instead of using logic and reason

Logic and reason should tell people that having monuments to people who fought for a slaveocracy is not a good thing.
 
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like you i did read it.

its a speech given by the president which means nothing because it has no legality to it.

Again. He does it again. <smh>
For newcomers to the thread, Po PO declares the confederate states were never declared or classified as an insurrection.

I produced the April "Proclamation on the End of the Confederate Insurrection" that not only classified it as such, showed the Acts of the US Congress, 1861 , and numerous times after, and said the LEGAL proclamation by the president was "just a speech."

He refused to accept it, I again produced another:

August 20, 1866: Message Proclaiming End to Insurrection in the United States
Transcript

By the President of the United States of America
A Proclamation


Whereas by proclamations of the 15th and 19th of April, 1861, the President of the United States, in virtue of the power vested in him by the Constitution and the laws, declared that the laws of the United States were opposed and the execution thereof obstructed in the States of South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings or by the powers vested in the marshals by law; and

Whereas by another proclamation, made on the 16th day of August, in the same year, in pursuance of an act of Congress approved July 13, 1861, the inhabitants of the States of Georgia, South Carolina, Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas, Mississippi, and Florida (except the inhabitants of that part of the State of Virginia lying west of the Alleghany Mountains, and except also the inhabitants of such other parts of that State and the other States before named as might maintain a loyal adhesion to the Union and the Constitution or might be from time to time occupied and controlled by forces of the United States engaged in the dispersion of insurgents) were declared to be in a state of insurrection against the United States; and

Whereas by another proclamation, of the 1st day of July, 1862, issued in pursuance of an act of Congress approved June 7, in the same year, the insurrection was declared to be still existing in the States aforesaid, with the exception of certain specified counties in the State of Virginia: and

Whereas by another proclamation, made on the 2d day of April, 1863, in pursuance of the act of Congress of July 13, 1861, the exceptions named in the proclamation of August 16, 1861, were revoked and the inhabitants of the States of Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas, Mississippi, Florida, and Virginia (except the forty-eight counties of Virginia designated as West Virginia and the ports of New Orleans, Key West, Port Royal, and Beaufort, in North Carolina) were declared to be still in a state of insurrection against the United States; and

Whereas by another proclamation, of the 15th day of September, 1863, made in pursuance of the act of Congress approved March 3, 1863, the rebellion was declared to be still existing and the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus was in certain specified cases suspended throughout the United States, said suspension to continue throughout the duration of the rebellion or until said proclamation should, by a subsequent one to be issued by the President of the United States, be modified or revoked; and
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Now, therefore, I, Andrew Johnson, President of the United States, do hereby proclaim and declare that the insurrection which heretofore existed in the States of Georgia, South Carolina, Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama, Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi, and Florida is at an end and is henceforth to be so regarded.

https://millercenter.org/the-presid...6-message-proclaiming-end-insurrection-united

After all this, he STILL says it was a "speech" - with "no legality."

Is this someone you can have a normal conversation with?
 
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Logic and reason should tell people that having monuments to people who fought for a slaveocracy is not a good thing.

one thing people ARE NEVER ONLY TO GET, is you cant look back into time and apply todays values.

because even you and i are going to be judged in the future on the things we have done.
 
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LOL! Which is why you deny its definition of treason. Yeah, that sure makes sense.

Again, good luck with your magical thinking.

Yep.

& We were awfully damn kind to those rebel traitors, and Johnson was mighty nice to give Amnesty --

Too nice, IMO.
 
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you didn't understand

most bases meaning within the u.s. are in the south, and most of the companies which service those military entities are southern based


Actually I didnt misunderstand rather you arent literate. The service company thing we can just dismiss as the is certainly no way you can know that. The bases in the south will be of little value when the 60% northerners leave and the troops from overseas land on the gulf coast.
 
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Again. He does it again. <smh>
For newcomers to the thread, Po PO declares the confederate states were never declared or classified as an insurrection.

I produced the April "Proclamation on the End of the Confederate Insurrection" that not only classified it as such, showed the Acts of the US Congress, 1861 , and numerous times after, and said the LEGAL proclamation by the president was "just a speech."

He refused to accept it, I again produced another:

August 20, 1866: Message Proclaiming End to Insurrection in the United States
Transcript

By the President of the United States of America
A Proclamation


Whereas by proclamations of the 15th and 19th of April, 1861, the President of the United States, in virtue of the power vested in him by the Constitution and the laws, declared that the laws of the United States were opposed and the execution thereof obstructed in the States of South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings or by the powers vested in the marshals by law; and

Whereas by another proclamation, made on the 16th day of August, in the same year, in pursuance of an act of Congress approved July 13, 1861, the inhabitants of the States of Georgia, South Carolina, Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas, Mississippi, and Florida (except the inhabitants of that part of the State of Virginia lying west of the Alleghany Mountains, and except also the inhabitants of such other parts of that State and the other States before named as might maintain a loyal adhesion to the Union and the Constitution or might be from time to time occupied and controlled by forces of the United States engaged in the dispersion of insurgents) were declared to be in a state of insurrection against the United States; and

Whereas by another proclamation, of the 1st day of July, 1862, issued in pursuance of an act of Congress approved June 7, in the same year, the insurrection was declared to be still existing in the States aforesaid, with the exception of certain specified counties in the State of Virginia: and

Whereas by another proclamation, made on the 2d day of April, 1863, in pursuance of the act of Congress of July 13, 1861, the exceptions named in the proclamation of August 16, 1861, were revoked and the inhabitants of the States of Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas, Mississippi, Florida, and Virginia (except the forty-eight counties of Virginia designated as West Virginia and the ports of New Orleans, Key West, Port Royal, and Beaufort, in North Carolina) were declared to be still in a state of insurrection against the United States; and

Whereas by another proclamation, of the 15th day of September, 1863, made in pursuance of the act of Congress approved March 3, 1863, the rebellion was declared to be still existing and the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus was in certain specified cases suspended throughout the United States, said suspension to continue throughout the duration of the rebellion or until said proclamation should, by a subsequent one to be issued by the President of the United States, be modified or revoked; and
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Now, therefore, I, Andrew Johnson, President of the United States, do hereby proclaim and declare that the insurrection which heretofore existed in the States of Georgia, South Carolina, Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama, Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi, and Florida is at an end and is henceforth to be so regarded.

https://millercenter.org/the-presid...6-message-proclaiming-end-insurrection-united

After all this, he STILL says it was a "speech" - with "no legality."

Is this someone you can have a normal conversation with?

this is a speech from andrew johnson, it has no weight of law...none!

the u.s. library of CONGRESS designates the civil war a war of rebellion.

proclamations are not legal evidence of law because if they were they would be law, former presidents of the u.s. have given christian proclamations
 
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Actually most bases are overseas and most people in today's military are Northern

Do you want 1/41st Field Artillery to get rid of it's Confederate symbolism?
 
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