Coming religion war in Ukraine caused by devil Trump and tolerated by Putin

[Alfons]

The decision of Constantinople 'Patriarch' will cost Ukraine thousands of lives and religion war between Ukrainian Nationalists and Orthodox Christians. Not all believers can accept the change of jurisdiction, most of believers will refuse to give their churches to foreignness. As always supported by Germany and USA nationalists will begin to kill Orthodox Christians and to rob churches.
Western lying MS 'Medias' will as usual blame Russia, devils like Trump and Merkel laugh and impose new sanctions against it.
Coward and weak Putin as always will accept it without any response and talk about his western 'partners'
Russia badly needs a better and bold President to fight for its interests. Putin is too old, too weak and too coward.
He can fight only against old pensioners and Navalny teens.
He does nothing to stop genocide in Donbass.
He will do nothing to stop coming murder of Orthodox Christians in Ukraine

The only reaction of Putin would be amazingly acceptance like by the Father of Russian Democracy Kisa Vorobjyninow

 

[Brochacholomigo]

Coward and weak Putin

 

[Westphalian]

Alfons is right in that Putin is far too patient with the west. It's taken him many years to realise that talking to them is pointless.

The Americans demand Russian surrender and acquiescence to US hegemony.

The Europeans are more sensible (apart from London which is a true satellite state of the US) and we can do business with them, but every so often Washington comes along and rattles their cages, and the Europeans dutifully play along with sanctions and the public rhetoric to please their master.

 

[Alfons]

Alfons is right in that Putin is far too patient with the west. r.

Russia badly needs a more bold president like murdered Zacharchenko or equal.

It is a war against Russia and Putin allows the West p.... on him.
The question is why?
Because the entirely circle around Putin and Russian 'Elite' are thieves who hide stolen money in western banks.

Putin can not save Russia from WWIII It can do only more brave and valiant guys.
He already succumbed demands of the West and betrayed Russians not only in Ukraine, but everywhere outside of Russia.

What will do Putin when Ukrainian Nazis begin to murder Russian priests and burn Russian Churches.
As always nothing because he afraids to endanger businesses of his thievish friends - oligarchs.

 

[Westphalian]

Russia badly needs a more bold president like murdered Zacharchenko or equal.

It is a war against Russia and Putin allows the West p.... on him.
The question is why?
Because the entirely circle around Putin and Russian 'Elite' are thieves who hide stolen money in western banks.

Putin can not save Russia from WWIII It can do only more brave and valiant guys.
He already succumbed demands of the West and betrayed Russians not only in Ukraine, but everywhere outside of Russia.

What will do Putin when Ukrainian Nazis begin to murder Russian priests and burn Russian Churches.
As always nothing because he afraids to endanger businesses of his thievish friends - oligarchs.

Yes, I agree Alfons.

We need someone like Strelkov, or even Kadyrov, someone who understands what the west is all about and how it is pointless talking to these unreasonable people who genuinely hate Russia. They know of no relationship other than surrender, which is the terms on which they themselves have sacrificed to the US. Consequently, they say 'be like us, have a positive relationship with the US by sacrificing your own interests the those of the global empire'.

We need a leader who is prepared to move more quickly in the direction Putin is being forced to turn - the direction of a strategic alliance with China so that we can prepare for the coming war of civilisations. We need to develop alternative financial systems, to weaken the western position. Fortunately our cultural norms are strong while theirs are falling apart amongst the group hugs, safe spaces, hurt feelings, alternative genders where boys and girls are brought up as 'its'. Time is on our side because apart from the US empire, the rest of them (the Europeans) hate the military. They would cry at the sight of a gun.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Is there something in the water?

If anything is going in with the Ukraine it is continued mess at the hands of both Russia and the west. We have no reason to believe there will be peace anytime soon, but it will have less to do with religion and more to do with these outside forces continuing what has been going on for decades. Pinning smaller nations as pawns between Russia and the west.

 

[Fledermaus]

Alfons is right in that Putin is far too patient with the west. It's taken him many years to realise that talking to them is pointless.

The Americans demand Russian surrender and acquiescence to US hegemony.

The Europeans are more sensible (apart from London which is a true satellite state of the US) and we can do business with them, but every so often Washington comes along and rattles their cages, and the Europeans dutifully play along with sanctions and the public rhetoric to please their master.

Far too patient as he steals UKRAINE and GEORGIAN territory, contributes war materials and men to what is laughingly called "civil war", poisons dissidents and threatens his neighbors...

 

[Chagos]

The Europeans are more sensible (apart from London which is a true satellite state of the US) and we can do business with them, but every so often Washington comes along and rattles their cages, and the Europeans dutifully play along with sanctions and the public rhetoric to please their master.

Let the Kremlin gang continue its current behaviour or even enlarge upon it and you will actually find out how sensible Europeans can become. Quite without any prompting from outside.

And you'll find how doing business with them will work out when you can shove your gas and oil reserves rearwards.

Business interests will work only so long as they're viable, once that ceases other open avenues will find exploration.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Aww. The Russkies are upset that the Ukrainian Orthodox Church will be granted independence from Russia by Constantinople.

What will Putin do? Invade Greece? Poison the Patriarch of Constantinople?

Stay tuned.

 

[Evilroddy]

Yes, I agree Alfons.

We need someone like Strelkov, or even Kadyrov, someone who understands what the west is all about and how it is pointless talking to these unreasonable people who genuinely hate Russia. They know of no relationship other than surrender, which is the terms on which they themselves have sacrificed to the US. Consequently, they say 'be like us, have a positive relationship with the US by sacrificing your own interests the those of the global empire'.

We need a leader who is prepared to move more quickly in the direction Putin is being forced to turn - the direction of a strategic alliance with China so that we can prepare for the coming war of civilisations. We need to develop alternative financial systems, to weaken the western position. Fortunately our cultural norms are strong while theirs are falling apart amongst the group hugs, safe spaces, hurt feelings, alternative genders where boys and girls are brought up as 'its'. Time is on our side because apart from the US empire, the rest of them (the Europeans) hate the military. They would cry at the sight of a gun.

Westphalian:

Russia needs men like Igor Strelkov and Ramzan Kadyrov to lead it, eh? That is a very illuminating statement/credo indeed. Russia needs hyper-violent, modern-day boyars and princelings in order to rise to meet its glorious potential and national destiny? Men like these would plunge Russia into a new Middle Ages where such men competed with each other ruthlessly and tore Russia to pieces from within while carving out their own little principalities through intrigue, threat, violence, assassination and usurpation. Forget the American Empire, the greatest existential threat to Russia's future is men like Strelkov and Kadyrov, who through unbridled ambition and insatiable greed would Balkanize Russia and make a patchwork of a dozen or so war-torn Russian versions of Ukraine from the Arctic Sea to the Caucasus Mountains.

Here's a little vignette about Ramzan Kadyrov as told by one of his victims before his death:

A paramilitary militia commander who had mutinied against the Kadyrov regime named Movladi Baisarov, explained that Ramzan Kadyrov, "... acts like a medieval tyrant. If someone tells the truth about what is going on, it's like signing one's own death warrant. Ramzan is a law unto himself. He can do anything he likes. He can take any woman and do whatever he pleases with her. (...) Ramzan acts with total impunity. I know of many people executed on his express orders and I know exactly where they were buried". On November 18th, 2006 Molvadi Baisarov was assassinated in a bloody ambush by members of Kadyrov's "police" on Leninsky Prospekt in Moscow, not too far from the Kremlin.

Like others here on this forum, I strongly suspected that you were a paid Russian troll. Now I think my suspicions were wrong. I now think that you actually believe the crap that you've been saying here and hold views closely aligned with hyper-violent, extreme right-wing, Russian ultra-nationalists who recognise no social or societal boundries or limitations to their pursuit of their national "destiny" whatsoever. These are the people whom Putin is trying to hold in check. Thus I conclude that you and other like-minded people are the greatest existential threat to Russia.

No Cheers for you!
Evilroddy.

 

[Westphalian]

Westphalian:

Russia needs men like Igor Strelkov and Ramzan Kadyrov to lead it, eh? That is a very illuminating statement/credo indeed. Russia needs hyper-violent, modern-day boyars and princelings in order to rise to meet its glorious potential and national destiny? Men like these would plunge Russia into a new Middle Ages where such men competed with each other ruthlessly and tore Russia to pieces from within while carving out their own little principalities through intrigue, threat, violence, assassination and usurpation. Forget the American Empire, the greatest existential threat to Russia's future is men like Strelkov and Kadyrov, who through unbridled ambition and insatiable greed would Balkanize Russia and make a patchwork of a dozen or so war-torn Russian versions of Ukraine from the Arctic Sea to the Caucasus Mountains.

Here's a little vignette about Ramzan Kadyrov as told by one of his victims before his death:

A paramilitary militia commander who had mutinied against the Kadyrov regime named Movladi Baisarov, explained that Ramzan Kadyrov, "... acts like a medieval tyrant. If someone tells the truth about what is going on, it's like signing one's own death warrant. Ramzan is a law unto himself. He can do anything he likes. He can take any woman and do whatever he pleases with her. (...) Ramzan acts with total impunity. I know of many people executed on his express orders and I know exactly where they were buried". On November 18th, 2006 Molvadi Baisarov was assassinated in an bloody ambush by members of Kadyrov's "police" on Leninsky Prospekt in Moscow, not too far from the Kremlin.

Like others here on this forum, I strongly suspected that you were a paid Russian troll. Now I think my suspicions were wrong. I now think that you actually believe the crap that you've been saying here and hold views closely aligned with hyper-violent, extreme right-wing, Russian ultra-nationalists who recognise no social or societal boundries or limitations to their pursuit of their national "destiny" whatsoever. Thus I conclude that you and other like-minded people are the greatest existential threat to Russia.

No Cheers for you!
Evilroddy.

Well Roddy - you're right that I'm not a paid Russian troll (you worked it out before Chagos which in no way surprises me), nor a moron, nor any of the other lurid insults that get thrown on this forum.

But neither am I violent or extreme right wing. In that you are still wrong, but you'll learn in due course because you're a reasonable person (just with some very odd ideas . Of course I strongly hold views which are based on my analysis of global geopolitics and my professional observations of the way the world works.

Nationalism is a noble cause provided it doesn't turn into blind hatred or contempt of others for being non nationals. Sadly I see far more of that in the west which labels itself as tolerant but applies selective intolerance, curiously enough often to sections of its own populations mixed with extreme tolerance of a few select deviant minorities who are exalted. Like many Russians, I believe that the US is preparing for war with Russia. Ideally that war will be fought exclusively in its European colonies and in Russia. Washington is trying to avoid the destruction of the US, itself but hasn't yet found sufficient assurance that it can confine the war to Europe. So it's on hold pending the completion of the missile defence shield and PGS capability, and analysis of the Russian counter-measures to that.

 

[Evilroddy]

Well Roddy - you're right that I'm not a paid Russian troll (you worked it out before Chagos which in no way surprises me), nor a moron, nor any of the other lurid insults that get thrown on this forum.

But neither am I violent or extreme right wing. In that you are still wrong... (Edited for word count by me) Of course I strongly hold views which are based on my analysis of global geopolitics and my professional observations of the way the world works.

Nationalism is a noble cause provided it doesn't turn into blind hatred or contempt of others for being non nationals. Sadly I see far more of that in the west which labels itself as tolerant but applies selective intolerance, curiously enough often to sections of its own populations mixed with extreme tolerance of a few select deviant minorities who are exalted. Like many Russians, I believe that the US is preparing for war with Russia. Ideally that war will be fought exclusively in its European colonies and in Russia. Washington is trying to avoid the destruction of the US, itself but hasn't yet found sufficient assurance that it can confine the war to Europe. So it's on hold pending the completion of the missile defence shield and PGS capability, and analysis of the Russian counter-measures to that.

Westphalian:

Or you could be both an adherent to ultra-nationalist, hyper-violent, right-wing ideas and at the same time a paid Russian troll, given the smooth text above which contrasts so starkly with your unguarded moment of candor while agreeing with Alfons above. Either way people are very, very suspicious of what you post here. I will defend your right to post here and I will even insist on treating you with decorum and civility, but do not for even for an instant think that I trust what you say or why you say it. You may be selling but I'm not buying.

As to prejudice in the West, yes it exists and in certain places and at certain times it is pervasive and very, very bad indeed. But it is not usually a driver or an instrument of state policy anymore, despite recent developments in places like Sweden, Denmark, America and Brazil. We have plenty of people in the West who are xenophobic, religiously intolerant, homophobic and generally intolerant of "the other". But rarely anymore does that ideological cancer move into positions of real power where it can shape public policy for long periods of time, before the tools of the free-press/media discredit the malefactors and the mechanisms of democracy correct the mistake by turning such bigots out on their fundaments through elections rather than violence. America in the mid-1930's was the last time that such truly viscious measures in North America became state policy I think, prior to he shameful practices going on today.

By the mechanisms of democratic election the agents of this nastiness will be removed from power peacefully either in two or six years, hopefully the former. Until then Americans of good conscience will fight the policies of xenophobia and division and will do whatever they can to thwart them as best they can. Now if America had a Strelkov or a Kadyrov in power rather than the absurd Mr. Trump, then those Americans of good conscience would be turning up on the roadsides dead or being forcibly disappeared by the thousands. They are not disappearing because the West rejects The Rule of Man and instead cleaves to The Rule Of Law (tempered by the compassion of Justice) domestically, something which a Strelkov, a Kadyrov or others of their ilk have only contempt for.

Finally to America and its plans as articulated by you to make war on Russia. You do realize that Russia has at least 1950 nuclear warheads and maybe as many as 7000 warheads plus the missiles, subs, ships and bombers to deliver them to anywhere in the world, right? America is not going to attack Russia militarily and directly. It will attempt to thwart and derail Russian policy and military actions abroad, but it will usually do so indirectly. That is not making war. It will sanction and complicate your lives when you follow certain policy directions but again, that is not war. It will use both overt and covert means to discredit your country and its leadership, when the leadership is not doing the discrediting itself, but that is not war. There are non-military remedies to all of these types of friction being applied by America and the West to Russia, so war is not Russia's only option. Be smarter and out manoeuvre the West because if you confront it directly by military means you will likely lose and kill a lot of Russians and non-Russians to boot. Your own military's doctrines of hybrid-warfare recognize this fact and have adjusted to the reality facing Russia. Using non-military and where no other option is available low-level military options are the best course for Russia to steer for the foreseeable future.

Still no Cheers for you!
Evilroddy.

 

[Chagos]

Well Roddy - you're right that I'm not a paid Russian troll

Well, if you're doing what you're doing for free, that would then take all credence from the statement you let follow of

nor a moron

.:lamo:lamo:lamo

Reason for dismissal of your latter claim above best stated by Roddy with

I now think that you actually believe the crap that you've been saying here and hold views closely aligned with hyper-violent, extreme right-wing, Russian ultra-nationalists who recognise no social or societal boundries or limitations to their pursuit of their national "destiny" whatsoever. Thus I conclude that you and other like-minded people are the greatest existential threat to Russia.

You'd be better off admitting to being a troll than admitting to such apt a description.

With plausibility actually pointing to both options, let me express my empathy. A propagandist that believes his own bovine manure is truly doomed.