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Colin Kaepernick wins

You don't know anything about me, and you're wrong. I judge, and I believe we all should judge, each action on its own merits. In the case of Eric Garner in NYC selling a few cigs on the sidewalk, even if technically he "resisted arrest", the situation could have been handled with much less force is officers had talked to him a bit longer, reasoned with him, and listened to him when 11 times he said "I can't breath". The city paid his family millions, but no officer was disciplined. I think that is wrong, and the black community certainly thinks its wrong. The whole thing is on video, no questions.

In Ferguson, no video. Looking at all the evidence, I would agree with that judgment. Officer had been struck by a much larger person. I don't know if the victim walked toward the policeman, but I have seen interviews with the cop, and I believe his story.

You seem to think all life events are judged as liberal or conservative, black or white, yes or no. That is not true. That is what the donor class wants you be believe, so you can never get together with your fellow middle class citizens and oppose them. They have succeeded in dividing and conquering the voters so they can't be opposed. They have what they want.

Some of us really are independents. We think for ourselves. We judge each situation on its own merits.
The bolded is what you think my philosophy is but rather it is YOUR progressive ideology towards the police that cops are, somehow, always to blame. This is, of course, the attitude of the African-American community at large.

The next deadly encounter between the police and African-Americans will always be the cops fault 'until evidence is shown to the contrary.' Then, when the next deadly encounter between the cops and African-Americans occurs, cops will automatically be faulted until evidence is proven otherwise. And if one instance of police brutality occurs, you paint the whole police department with the same broad brush. You say you are open-minded and I laugh at the total failure of that statement being correct.

The stereotype of the police put forth by the progressive and African-American community for always thinking the police are out to get African-Americans, for example, (oh wait, until there is conclusive proof to the contrary, the police are always out to get minorities) and the stereotype put forth by the police that African-Americans will always resist them, will always hurt them, are always out to get them. THIS IS THE CRUX OF THE PROBLEM.
If you EVER realize the police are routinely being resisted (and killed) when encountering African-Americans because of the ideology of leaders of the African-American community and progressive ideology, then you will realize the onus for fixing this problem between the police and the African-American community lies on changing the stereotypes of both groups towards each other...YOUR STEREOTYPES.

Listen up. For the umpteenth time, until the stereotypes of the police are changed within the African-American community and progressives and until the stereotypes of the African-American community and progressives are changed within the police department, things won't change. As a start, will you change your stereotypes of the police?
 
The bolded is what you think my philosophy is but rather it is YOUR progressive ideology towards the police that cops are, somehow, always to blame. This is, of course, the attitude of the African-American community at large.

The next deadly encounter between the police and African-Americans will always be the cops fault 'until evidence is shown to the contrary.' Then, when the next deadly encounter between the cops and African-Americans occurs, cops will automatically be faulted until evidence is proven otherwise. And if one instance of police brutality occurs, you paint the whole police department with the same broad brush. You say you are open-minded and I laugh at the total failure of that statement being correct.

The stereotype of the police put forth by the progressive and African-American community for always thinking the police are out to get African-Americans, for example, (oh wait, until there is conclusive proof to the contrary, the police are always out to get minorities) and the stereotype put forth by the police that African-Americans will always resist them, will always hurt them, are always out to get them. THIS IS THE CRUX OF THE PROBLEM.
If you EVER realize the police are routinely being resisted (and killed) when encountering African-Americans because of the ideology of leaders of the African-American community and progressive ideology, then you will realize the onus for fixing this problem between the police and the African-American community lies on changing the stereotypes of both groups towards each other...YOUR STEREOTYPES.

Listen up. For the umpteenth time, until the stereotypes of the police are changed within the African-American community and progressives and until the stereotypes of the African-American community and progressives are changed within the police department, things won't change. As a start, will you change your stereotypes of the police?

The bolded part shows your prejudice against blacks. You are not independent, it is clear from your statement.

I have stated in one of the famous cases that in the end with all the evidence out there, at Ferguson MO, I believe the system arrived at the correct conclusion.

I also believe that when I look at the killing of Tamir Rice in Cleveland after a 2 second encounter with the police, and no charges filed and therefore no trial, there was no justice. I understand the position of the black community, and they have video to back up the claim.

Can you cite a case where justice was not served when police killed or used excessive force? Or do you simply believe that the police are always right? Is that your prejudice?

Look, if a bank robber is walking out of a bank holding a gun and a cop tells him to drop it and he moves to aim at the cop, and the cop kills him, the cop is right, whether the perp is black, white or brown. Sometimes the cops are right and it is clear to everyone.

Now watch this video of Sam Montgomery being stopped late at night for speeding and tell me that black people have nothing to fear from police if they act properly.

State trooper who threatened to Taser polite Bengals lineman during traffic stop fired
The Department of Public Safety said that Lance Cpl. R.S. Salter was terminated for violating agency policies including conduct unbecoming a state employee
Salter pulled over Bengals lineman Sam Montgomery when he caught him driving 89 mph in a 55 mph zone
Rather than write him a ticket, Salter arrested the NFL player and had him spend the night in jail
Video of the incident shows a polite Montgomery trying to comply with Salter's directions
The Department of public safety said Salter's actions were 'not representative of professionalism' the agency expects
By Associated Press Reporter and Mail online Reporter
PUBLISHED: 23 August 2014

The video of the entire incident is in the article at the link below.
State trooper who threatened to Taser Bengals' Sam Montgomery fired | Daily Mail Online
 
Retired police officer Chris Amos, a father of three, had the spotlight shone on him while he was still in uniform. Amos shot and killed a young minority male and was given paid leave.

He is exactly the type of police officer that Kaepernick spoke about when he said, “There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”

However, Amos decided to show Kaepernick something that the NFL player didn’t know: that they were more alike than he realized.

An Open Letter to Colin Kaepernick,

Dear Colin guess you have been pretty busy these last few days. For the record I don’t think any more or less of you for not standing for the national anthem. Honestly, I never thought that much about you, or any professional athlete for that matter, to begin with. I’ve read your statement a few times and want you to know I am one of the reasons you are protesting. You see I am a retired police officer that had the misfortune of having to shoot and kill a 19-year-old African-American male. And just like you said, I was the recipient of about $3,000 a month while on leave, which was a good thing because I had to support a wife and three children under 7 years old for about 2 months with that money. Things were pretty tight because I couldn’t work part-time. Every police officer I’ve ever known has worked part-time to help make ends meet.
You know, Colin, the more I think about it, the more we seem to have in common. I really pushed myself in rehab to get back on the street, kind of like you do to get back on the field. You probably have had a broken bone or two and some muscle strains and deep bruising that needed a lot of work. I just had to bounce back from a gunshot wound to the chest and thigh. Good thing we both get paid when we are too banged up to “play,” huh? We both also know what it’s like to get blindsided. You by a 280-pound defensive end, ouch! Me, by a couple of rounds fired from a gun about 2 feet away into my chest and thigh. We also both make our living wearing uniforms, right? You have probably ruined a jersey or two on the field of play. I still have my blood-stained shirt that my partner and paramedics literally ripped off my back that cold night in January. Fortunately, like you I was given a new one. Speaking of paramedics aren’t you glad the second we get hurt trainers and doctors are standing by waiting to rush onto the field to scoop us up. I’m thankful they get to you in seconds. It only took them about 10 minutes to get to me. By the grace of God, the artery in my thigh didn’t rupture or else 10 minutes would have been about 9 minutes too late. We also have both experienced the hate and disgust others have just because of those uniforms we wear. I sure am glad for your sake that the folks who wear my uniform are on hand to escort you and those folks that wear your uniform into stadiums in places like Seattle!

I guess that’s where the similarities end, Colin. You entertain for a living, I and almost 800,000 others across this country serve and protect. Are there some bad apples within my profession? Absolutely, and they need to be identified and fired or arrested! But you know what, the vast majority do the right thing, the right way, for the right reason. Did I mention that seconds before I was shot, an elderly African-American gentleman walking down the sidewalk, turned to my partner and I as we rode past and said, “Get them.” Get who, you ask? The thugs terrorizing an otherwise good and decent neighborhood, home to dozens of good, decent African-American families trying to raise those families in communities not protected by gates and security guards. No these folks and families depend on America’s law enforcement officers.

Colin, I have buried 7 friends killed in the line of duty and three others who have committed suicide. I have attended more funerals than I care to remember of neighboring departments who have lost officers in the line of duty, during my career. Law enforcement officers with different backgrounds, upbringings and experiences united by their willingness to answer the call to protect and serve their fellow citizens.

Colin, I am sorry for the endorsement deals you may lose and the dip in jersey sales, but please know you will NEVER lose what these men and women and their families have lost. And so whether you stand or sit during the national anthem means very little to me. As for me and the men and women on whose team I was privileged to serve, we will put on our ballistic vests, badge and gun, kiss our loved ones goodbye, for some tragically for the last time, and out into a shift of uncertainty we will go. We will continue to protect and continue to serve and we will be standing at attention, Colin, not just for the playing of our national anthem, but far more importantly for the playing of Taps.

Former police officer writes open letter to Colin Kaepernick - NBC12 - WWBT - Richmond, VA News On Your Side
 
if you mean by alienating people, turning them off, and making them resentful, yeah, he won.



but bringing attention to his issue, not so much.

Interesting perspective in blaming Colin for all that. Being that it was only after trump spoke about did the con rage ensue and people started revolting and burning swag and whatnot. I'm sure you think that's Colin's fault too.
 
If he doesn't have pride in his country then why does he live in America? He's free to move somewhere else if he thinks America is evil and his race is so oppressed here. I have news for him. America treats people of all races a hell of a lot better than many other countries do. Such a baby he is!

Flag =/= country
Flag =/= equal patriotism
Flag = a Flag (and meanings for it vary widely)
 
Are there some bad apples within my profession? Absolutely, and they need to be identified and fired or arrested!

Your post is good. However, the sentence above IS THE PROBLEM. The bad apples were not being fired or arrested 20 or 30 years ago, not at all! Cops knew what to say, I thought he was reaching for a gun and I fired because I feared for my life. The fact that cases came up where several eye witnesses disputed the police claim, and the resulting PROTESTS, brought about change and with new technology, we got dash cams, so these interactions can be seen. This hasn't solved all of the problem, but it started motion in the right direction. The Rodney King video started it all, it proved that there are bad cops out there, they do illegal things to citizens, and they lie about it. Prior to video they escaped punishment.

Things are better with video, but more progress needs to be made. People see a cop kill an 11 year old boy sitting by himself on a park bench within literally 2 seconds of the police cruiser rolling up on the kid and an officer jumping out of the car. That never should have happened. Cop never charged. Eric Garner suffocated after selling loose cigarettes on the sidewalk and saying 11 times he could not breathe, no charges against the cops.

I think most agree that most police are great folks. But the few bad ones need to be weeded out, and they need to be held accountable for their actions when they are criminal, and most in the black community do not feel that is occurring.

So, things have gotten better with video, but more progress is required. What are you going to do? You are going to protest.
 
You mean "dissent". Unless you are talking about the raitngs then it would be "descent" :pimpdaddy:


And you are wrong. The NFL even though it is grossly subsidized by you and I through federal dollars is a private company that has a right to put in any policy regarding speach while "on the job" that it wants. the US Constitution restricts governments, not people or private enterprises. civics 101.

You cannot be compelled by an employer to take part in a political activity while at work anymore than you can be force to vote for who they want you to at work. Obviously you flunked Civics 101.
 
"Winning" might be a stretched but definite success! Thats what i find funny about it too. Trumps words had the opposite effect of what he wanted. And now it seems with what the cowboys and cards did that most tams will do that and there will be even less logical reasons to be upset.

I saw this on every news channel, sports show and political show i watched and they were ALL talking about it.

Yes the topic of people having their feelings hurt by the protests and displays of solidarity were being discuss also but guess what? every show i saw also started out talking about why or circled back around to why this started and that was awareness of the original issue. The cases of police brutality that are not delt with especially against minorities and lower class.

Well watched it came up more again today, people talking about the protest. How had their feelings hurt or not is dying down, first amendment vs employee has come up some and what else? you guessed . . . the reason why the whole thing started so again it seems CK is definitely a success in this regard. Conversation, acknowledgement, recognition and exposure to the issue he wanted out there is spreading and happening. Wonder how far it will go?

DAY 3
Only listened to radio today so far, regular morning show and some talk satellite . . .again they were talking about how some have hurt feelings, freedom of speech vs employee and once again police brutality & race relations.

Not sure how you call this anything but having some success and positive moment towards even more talks.

Well here we are, a full week later and seems the same thing is going on.
I still can't call it a "win" per say but more people are still talking about the issue then ever before that is a type of success.
 
Interesting perspective in blaming Colin for all that. Being that it was only after trump spoke about did the con rage ensue and people started revolting and burning swag and whatnot. I'm sure you think that's Colin's fault too.



Yes. his protest is misguided,.
 
You cannot be compelled by an employer to take part in a political activity while at work anymore than you can be force to vote for who they want you to at work. Obviously you flunked Civics 101.



lol wut?


read it again, more slowly. ask a friend to explain it to you.

"And you are wrong. The NFL even though it is grossly subsidized by you and I through federal dollars is a private company that has a right to put in any policy regarding speach while "on the job" that it wants. the US Constitution restricts governments, not people or private enterprises. civics 101."
 
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This is why the black community feels there is no justice when police kill black people. This is what Kaepernick is protesting about.
The problem is ,the ' black community ' gets fed a lot of lies by people ( always Democrats ) who have a vested interest in stoking racial divisiveness
"Hands up, don't shoot".
"I can't breathe"
 
What is with you people today? :lol:


How does "I am a libertarian" replete with 2 examples not answer your question?

I didn't ask if you were a Republican. You rather constantly stand on the right wing conservative side of most issues. That you cross over on weed and gays does not make you somehow magically different.

I simply asked if you are a right leaning conservative. Which policy by policy... you know you are. And now you are running away from it acting butthurt because I said you were a right wing conservative. I didn't call you a fascist or any such absurd thing like that.
 
I didn't ask if you were a Republican. You rather constantly stand on the right wing conservative side of most issues. That you cross over on weed and gays does not make you somehow magically different.

I simply asked if you are a right leaning conservative. Which policy by policy... you know you are. And now you are running away from it acting butthurt because I said you were a right wing conservative. I didn't call you a fascist or any such absurd thing like that.




I am not a right leaning conservative.


Prayer in school, nope.
interventionist wars, nope.
war on drugs, nope
euthanasia, yep, more of it.
Abortion, up to a certain time.


I can keep going, but most of what you see as my "defense" or things right wing is simply because of the stupid **** liberals post these days. :lol:


what are my right wing conservative positions?
 
I am not a right leaning conservative.


Prayer in school, nope.
interventionist wars, nope.
war on drugs, nope
euthanasia, yep, more of it.
Abortion, up to a certain time.


I can keep going, but most of what you see as my "defense" or things right wing is simply because of the stupid **** liberals post these days. :lol:


what are my right wing conservative positions?

Pretty much every single thing not listed just above. And that you are always running defense for or interference on behalf of right wing conservatism.
 
I didn't ask if you were a Republican. You rather constantly stand on the right wing conservative side of most issues. That you cross over on weed and gays does not make you somehow magically different.

I simply asked if you are a right leaning conservative. Which policy by policy... you know you are. And now you are running away from it acting butthurt because I said you were a right wing conservative. I didn't call you a fascist or any such absurd thing like that.

Do you suppose you could find out if he is "right leaning conservative" if you could examine his urine?

Often they can't tell if a person has ever used a drug by examining his urine, and maybe the same would work for one of those political labels too? You might be a right leaning conservative if.....:mrgreen:
 
Colin began his protest to call attention to police use of excessive force against black people.

This was his original statement:
"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/article/colin-kaepernick-explains-why-he-sat-during-national-anthem

Given all the attention that the protest has gotten, Colin has achieved his goal of extending the conversation on the topic. You may not agree with his method, but would any other method have ultimately generated the attention that this has brought to the issue?

If his goal was to create a heated division over disrespecting the flag or dividing and insulting the country he has done a bangup job. And he has also done a great job undermining the NFL financial health and, in the longer run, reducing future surplus for NFL player salaries.

But on on his pet cause, he has done nothing at all, other than to discredit it and shut down discussion.

And, by the way, when it comes to self-destructive behavior the guy is a genius. Any more "wins" for Kap and he'll be having to open his own tattoo parlour.
 
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Pretty much every single thing not listed just above. And that you are always running defense for or interference on behalf of right wing conservatism.



So since communists support things like minimum wage, single payer healthcare, taxing the rich, you are obviously a far left wing communist by your own standards.
 
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