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Colin Kaepernick wins

KLATTU said:
n 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.

Hey let's talk about that....anybody????
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Criminals killing people, including police officers, is not controversial. It is just a sad reality. Rogue cops killing citizens is controversial. They are supposed to be the guardians of the community. There are some cops and even some departments that see the citizens as the adversary. That mindset needs to change.
 
Geoist said:
Criminals killing people, including police officers, is not controversial. It is just a sad reality. Rogue cops killing citizens is controversial. They are supposed to be the guardians of the community. There are some cops and even some departments that see the citizens as the adversary. That mindset needs to change.
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People ( anybody) killing cops is not controversial?
Good grief.

Of course rogue cops ( whatver that mean) killing people is never good. ( DUH) . But how often does that happen?
I know the left wing media sensationalizes every incident, r' rogue" or not, but that stats I've posted her don't support the BLM nonsense.
 
My personal opinion, Kaepernick has won. The issue of racial injustice is being talked about now much more than if he had done nothing, or protested in a way that nobody would have noticed.

What can be DONE? Could there be a monthly meeting of player reps with the city police to review proceedures?

Frankly, the spotlight is so hot right now, it can only diminish.

The players should consider halting the protests, unless they have a specific OBJECTIVE they want to achieve. If they can't articulate an OBJECTIVE now, then they are DONE IMO. What good can more protests achieve? We know what you are upset about. When there is no more good that can be accomplished, end it.

I think the point has been made.
 
finebead said:
My personal opinion, Kaepernick has won. The issue of racial injustice is being talked about now much more than if he had done nothing, or protested in a way that nobody would have noticed.

What can be DONE? Could there be a monthly meeting of player reps with the city police to review proceedures?

Frankly, the spotlight is so hot right now, it can only diminish.

The players should consider halting the protests, unless they have a specific OBJECTIVE they want to achieve. If they can't articulate an OBJECTIVE now, then they are DONE IMO. What good can more protests achieve? We know what you are upset about. When there is no more good that can be accomplished, end it.

I think the point has been made.
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Man...that racial injustice is a bitch, huh?

Yeah

Well...THAT was productive. What do we complain about next?


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ReverendHellh0und said:
what freedom and rights were displayed?
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The freedom of speech, and the right to descent. Both are guaranteed by the Constitution and both are supposed to be protected by the Federal Government.
 
jdog said:
The freedom of speech, and the right to descent. Both are guaranteed by the Constitution and both are supposed to be protected by the Federal Government.
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You mean "dissent". Unless you are talking about the raitngs then it would be "descent" :pimpdaddy:


And you are wrong. The NFL even though it is grossly subsidized by you and I through federal dollars is a private company that has a right to put in any policy regarding speach while "on the job" that it wants. the US Constitution restricts governments, not people or private enterprises. civics 101.
 
finebead said:
My personal opinion, Kaepernick has won. The issue of racial injustice is being talked about now much more than if he had done nothing, or protested in a way that nobody would have noticed.

What can be DONE? Could there be a monthly meeting of player reps with the city police to review proceedures?

Frankly, the spotlight is so hot right now, it can only diminish.

The players should consider halting the protests, unless they have a specific OBJECTIVE they want to achieve. If they can't articulate an OBJECTIVE now, then they are DONE IMO. What good can more protests achieve? We know what you are upset about. When there is no more good that can be accomplished, end it.

I think the point has been made.
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Is it being discussed? All I see is ratings talk, 1st amendment talk. I see little uptick in actual discussion of "racial injustice".
 
finebead said:
Progress in social injustice is slow, but it does move forward. I was a teen in the '60's, and things are light years ahead today of where they were then. But there have been a lot of demonstrations since then. Problems don't get solved if nobody shines a light on them.

The age of video has brought some progress. Two police were convicted in the beating of Rodney King in the early 90's and each served 30 months of jail time. The black community process now is if you see a cop interact with a black person, start to video record it.

Officer Slager in S Carolina has pleaded guilty to federal charges in the shooting death of Walter Scott. It is clear that Slager lied in his early recounting of events, saying he fired his pistol at Scott when Scott was coming toward him. That is a lie, and the video proved it. How many times in the last 150 years have the police lied about violent interactions with black citizens, and there was no video to dispute the police statements. That needs to change.


http://www.postandcourier.com/news/...cle_53e2e000-2904-11e7-8b1a-ebe7b517e0a9.html

Slager has not been sentenced yet, but I think he will spend a long time in jail.
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How many times have policemen like Officer Slager lied about violent interactions with black citizens? That's a stretch of an ideological assumption on your part, huh? It's safe to say there is more lying from, for example, the Africa-American community and progressive ideologues like yourself about violent, abusive reactions to blacks from the police department than actually is happening. The people down St. Louis way pushed it and it wasn't true. The people down Baltimore way pushed it and it wasn't true.

Oh wow, (and I don't know the particulars of this case) but there is a difference between your thinking and mine on this issue: In your thinking, you hate the police and can only think bad of them and one case, heck, maybe the made up rhetoric from previous incidents is enough to prove your premise that cops are bad while I demand proof.
 
What did he win a try out in Canads..lol lol
 
NotreDame said:
Shocking Strawman. Wait. Correction...coming from you, unsurprising Strawman.
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You said you are opposed to the manner of their protest. Not a strawman.

I explained that the manner of their protest is non-violent.

It is not my fault if you are uncomfortable with the absurdity i have reduced your claim to.
 
cabse5 said:
How many times have policemen like Officer Slager lied about violent interactions with black citizens? That's a stretch of an ideological assumption on your part, huh? It's safe to say there is more lying from, for example, the Africa-American community and progressive ideologues like yourself about violent, abusive reactions to blacks from the police department than actually is happening. The people down St. Louis way pushed it and it wasn't true. The people down Baltimore way pushed it and it wasn't true.

Oh wow, (and I don't know the particulars of this case) but there is a difference between your thinking and mine on this issue: In your thinking, you hate the police and can only think bad of them and one case, heck, maybe the made up rhetoric from previous incidents is enough to prove your premise that cops are bad while I demand proof.
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You don't know anything about me, and you're wrong. I judge, and I believe we all should judge, each action on its own merits. In the case of Eric Garner in NYC selling a few cigs on the sidewalk, even if technically he "resisted arrest", the situation could have been handled with much less force is officers had talked to him a bit longer, reasoned with him, and listened to him when 11 times he said "I can't breath". The city paid his family millions, but no officer was disciplined. I think that is wrong, and the black community certainly thinks its wrong. The whole thing is on video, no questions.

In Ferguson, no video. Looking at all the evidence, I would agree with that judgment. Officer had been struck by a much larger person. I don't know if the victim walked toward the policeman, but I have seen interviews with the cop, and I believe his story.

You seem to think all life events are judged as liberal or conservative, black or white, yes or no. That is not true. That is what the donor class wants you be believe, so you can never get together with your fellow middle class citizens and oppose them. They have succeeded in dividing and conquering the voters so they can't be opposed. They have what they want.

Some of us really are independents. We think for ourselves. We judge each situation on its own merits.
 
Alt-rights will cry themselves to death defending the right of nazis to protest ("I draw the line at violence like Antifa!!"), but not black people.
 
AGENT J said:
then you arent paying attention because they talked about more than that in the very channel you mentioned
they are talking about those that have their feelings hurt over the protest AND first amendment vs employee and . . you guessed it police brutality and race relations.

its been on major and local news , local radio and satellite radio for 3 days.
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Maybe things have changed in the last few days, I don't know because I'm not watching anymore. Its their right to be able to kneel and such, but I'm not interested in politics on a sports channel when I go there to avoid politics for a bit. That's my whole point.
 
TaterTots said:
1.)Maybe things have changed in the last few days, I don't know because I'm not watching anymore.
2.) Its their right to be able to kneel and such, but I'm not interested in politics on a sports channel when I go there to avoid politics for a bit. That's my whole point.
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1.) I have no idea what this means since its day 4 since sunday and the same thing is still going on and started monday
2.) thats fine but they are in fact talking about it and the basis of our discussion so your point is kinda irrelevant
 
AGENT J said:
1.) I have no idea what this means since its day 4 since sunday and the same thing is still going on and started monday
2.) thats fine but they are in fact talking about it and the basis of our discussion so your point is kinda irrelevant
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Sure, I'll play along.

1: Hell broke loose once Trump said s.o.b. and everyone took a knee past Sunday. The political talk has ramped up tremendously since then. Not interested.
2: They can talk about it all they want, but I do not have to watch or partake. That's my whole point, which you are ignoring. I tune into sports to take a break from politics. That has gone downhill now. I'll put my time into something else. Its not a big deal. Protest all you want by taking a knee. You're not hurting me.
 
TaterTots said:
1.)Sure, I'll play along.

2.) Hell broke loose once Trump said s.o.b. and everyone took a knee past Sunday. The political talk has ramped up tremendously since then. Not interested.
3.) They can talk about it all they want, but I do not have to watch or partake.
4.)hat's my whole point, which you are ignoring.
5.) I tune into sports to take a break from politics. That has gone downhill now. I'll put my time into something else. Its not a big deal. Protest all you want by taking a knee. You're not hurting me.
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1.) only one playing is you
2.) not asking you to be interested, you claimed they arent talking about it and that claim was wrong ans still is. Maybe you forgot what we were talking about :shrug:
3.) again meaningless to our discussion
4.) im not ignoring it, im just pointing out the fact its meaningless to our discussion and you can post all the off topic straman you want it doesn't change the fact your original claim was wrong.
5.) all meaningless and has nothign to do with what I said. LMAO
 
AGENT J said:
1.) only one playing is you
2.) not asking you to be interested, you claimed they arent talking about it and that claim was wrong ans still is. Maybe you forgot what we were talking about :shrug:
3.) again meaningless to our discussion
4.) im not ignoring it, im just pointing out the fact its meaningless to our discussion and you can post all the off topic straman you want it doesn't change the fact your original claim was wrong.
5.) all meaningless and has nothign to do with what I said. LMAO
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This is coming down to, "I don't care what you think." If that's the case, then you are wasting both of our time.
 
TaterTots said:
This is coming down to, "I don't care what you think." If that's the case, then you are wasting both of our time.
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lol nope its still me just pointing out the fact that your statment was factually wrong and you desperately trying to dodge that fact with deflections and strawman but nobody is buying it. You made a mistake, accept that fact and move on who cares.

in cause you forgot it was this statment
TaterTots said:
PNo one is talking about Kaepernicks cause.
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Its factually wrong
 
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finebead said:
You don't know anything about me, and you're wrong. I judge, and I believe we all should judge, each action on its own merits. In the case of Eric Garner in NYC selling a few cigs on the sidewalk, even if technically he "resisted arrest", the situation could have been handled with much less force is officers had talked to him a bit longer, reasoned with him, and listened to him when 11 times he said "I can't breath". The city paid his family millions, but no officer was disciplined. I think that is wrong, and the black community certainly thinks its wrong. The whole thing is on video, no questions.

In Ferguson, no video. Looking at all the evidence, I would agree with that judgment. Officer had been struck by a much larger person. I don't know if the victim walked toward the policeman, but I have seen interviews with the cop, and I believe his story.

You seem to think all life events are judged as liberal or conservative, black or white, yes or no. That is not true. That is what the donor class wants you be believe, so you can never get together with your fellow middle class citizens and oppose them. They have succeeded in dividing and conquering the voters so they can't be opposed. They have what they want.

Some of us really are independents. We think for ourselves. We judge each situation on its own merits.
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You are delusional.
 
cabse5 said:
You are delusional.
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Explain. I started this off stating that Kaepernik has won, because his small personal protest against racial inequality and police use of excessive force against blacks has garnered national attention and the support of most players, not to mention coaches and some owners in the NFL. Trump tried to denigrate the black players by saying they simply were being disrespectful on the flag and anthem and called them sons of bitches. It totally backfired on him, giving the cause all the national attention that Kaepernick could have hoped for. Very successful protest.
 
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ecofarm said:
Alt-rights will cry themselves to death defending the right of nazis to protest ("I draw the line at violence like Antifa!!"), but not black people.
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What a dumb post.


Who are these "Alt rights"? the thousands of people booing?

The People NOT watching the nfl anymore?


Tell me, who are these "alt right" people you speak of? Specifically.
 
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