Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’
Tell you what, post the entire dialog here and let the readers judge for themselves if Mr. Bundy spoke from genuine concern or outright foolishness for ourselves?
1. It has already been done several times. His words are not the words of a racist and can be seen coming from a point of concern.
2. And while the words are not racist, there are those bigots who will claim they are anyways. We have already seen this.
I mean, yourself and a few others have defended him but you've done so third-party. Let the man's words speak in his defense.
Wrong. It hasn't been third party as his words in full and video has been posted several times now.
Post the entire dialog - the parts we're apparently missing - or the entire video and maybe I'll change my opinion about him depending on what I hear.
Both have already been done several times by various posters including myself.
So I have no clue as to why you are acting like it hasn't been done?
His words are not the words of a racist.
Until then, he spoke foolishly, IMO.
Foolishly does not make one, or one's words racist.
Edit: Nevermind...Zimmerman posted it already (reposted below for emphasis).
These arguments appear to be dishonest as it has been done several times. Or isn't that you you haven't really familiarized yourself with the discussion?
Here is the video that was also previously provided.
And one that was also previously provided of his body guard expressing his opinion of Bundy not being a racist.
And here you can see Bundy poorly express again, what he meant.
And he even says his words came from his heart and stated that he didn't really mean to compare it to slavery.
You don't make a blanket statement like that and not expect people to view you as racist at worst, bigoted at best.
I don't know about you, but when the comments are not racist as in this case, I only expect bigots to react that way.
And that expectations has never failed.
I can accept your point of view that he was in his own way speaking out of concern for Blacks (and Mexicans, too),
No. :naughty
That would be you acknowledging his words in context. Or in other words, acknowledging reality.
he'd been better off using "sharecropping" or "minimum wage jobs" over slavery.
I have already said he expressed himself poorly. But being better off using such wording is irrelevant to the false claims of racist/racism.
Having an inability to properly express himself, and/or not using those terms, does not make him or his comments racist and the actual context made that clear.
That word doesn't come up as a way Black families can unify or excel in life unless you harbor racist or bigoted views.
That is your assumption. Being poor at expressing yourself and using antiquated terms is all it really reflects.
Which is not racist.
Sorry, he doesn't get such a easy pass from me.
He doesn't need any such pass, as his words were not racist. They were not of disparagement, hatred, or of intolerance.
They simply were not racist.
A simple examination of context was all that was needed to understand that.
I just think he can and should keep his opinion on Black family bonding, sense of morality and direction on upward mobility to himself.
You may, and are entitled to think and express just that.
Just as he is entitled to such.
My opinion in reference to the above comment, is that the dialog needs to start somewhere and somehow, which would include the underlined.
It isn't all one sided, and isn't likely going to be a pretty discussion in the beginning.
But it does need to start, or what ever the issues are, as seen from either side, real or imagined, are not going to be addressed or resolved.
But for starters, we can start by calling out these false claims of racism and shutting them down when they are made.
Thank you, The Mark. I couldn't have said it better myself.
Sad. His out of context bs is just that.
Out of context.