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Clinton and NYT Whine--BUT They Use SAME TAX BREAK he did.

There is no need - under the Trump Tax Plan, hedge fund guys will pay tax at 15% like all other businesses, which is a lower rate than they're paying now. So he's going to attack hedge fund managers by lowering their tax rates.



The only potential issue with his NOL is he almost surely defaulted on some personal debt in those years when the companies filed for bankruptcy, which is normally income. He probably took advantage of a loophole for real estate developers that allows them to write down the value of property (such as his casinos and hotels) instead of report the debt forgiveness income. That gives him a $billion he can take against ANYTHING immediately, versus deductions for depreciation over a long period - 30 years plus depending on the property.



The audit is his convenient excuse - it's not a reason. He just doesn't want his taxes public, which is his choice, but I wish he wouldn't make up stories about the reason.

Excuse? Reason? And you decide which is which?

LOL!

And no......he said he was going to increase taxes on the hedge fund guys.

That's INcrease.

Loophole? He took advantage of a loophole? And Hillary murdered little kids with her Predator Drones.

Let me think about it......ummmm......which shall I vote for?

Think........think........think.

I'm so torn.

:mrgreen:
 
No they haven't.

Uh, yeah, they have. “Federal privacy rules prohibit the IRS from discussing individual tax matters. Nothing prevents individuals from sharing their own tax information,” the IRS said.

And why would they care? The answer is they don't. Bottom line is Trump doesn't want the public to see his returns. That's fine. I just think it's SAD! that people are buying his lame excuses.
 
Excuse? Reason? And you decide which is which?

LOL!

And no......he said he was going to increase taxes on the hedge fund guys.

That's INcrease.

I just explained why that's not going to happen. What he plans on doing is reduce every business's taxes BELOW the current tax rates paid by hedge fund managers. If you want to believe a con man who lies like the rest of us breath, that's your problem, but you should actually review his tax proposal, compare it to current law, and you'll see I'm correct.

Loophole? He took advantage of a loophole? And Hillary murdered little kids with her Predator Drones.

Let me think about it......ummmm......which shall I vote for?

Think........think........think.

I'm so torn.

:mrgreen:

Okee dokee.
 
Uh, yeah, they have. “Federal privacy rules prohibit the IRS from discussing individual tax matters. Nothing prevents individuals from sharing their own tax information,” the IRS said.

And why would they care? The answer is they don't. Bottom line is Trump doesn't want the public to see his returns. That's fine. I just think it's SAD! that people are buying his lame excuses.

Oh, come on......saying they can't discuss it just means they can't discuss it......NOT that they don't care. The response is cryptic.......probably by intention

Nothing prevents individuals from sharing their own tax information......except that it's under audit and they have the common sense not to complicate matters with a Media frenzy.

Besides, if this was really a problem, the IRS has the ability to finish the audit and then Trump could release the info........but they haven't done that. Instead they sit on it.

Odd.
 
This is so hilarious. You couldn't make this stuff up.

Not only did Hillary Clinton use exactly the same tax avoidance scheme that Trump did........
Her buddies at the New York Times used it too!!!

The EXACT same tax break they complained about HIM using!

Clinton and her NYT buddies = Hypocritical Jackasses.

(And stupid.)

Odd, isn't it? I mean how the Media are not reporting this.

Hypocrisy Reigns as New York Times Pays No Income Taxes Yet Attacks Trump's Taxes

Yes, but the humour subsides when the actual problem with Trump's return emerges. First of all, he makes his main, indeed only claim to the White House on being a cracker jack businessman. Except that he is not, as he has lost a billion dollars, gone through four bankruptcies, trashed the public corporation he ran, stiffed endless contractors and small businessmen, and generally made an ass of himself to all and sundry. He crows about his wealth, but is afraid to let the public see exactly what that is. I'm not even going to get into the discussion that running a business in no way qualities one for the top public job, that is the topic of another thread.

Second, he endlessly paints himself as a patriot, and outsider who will fix all the waste and corruption in the country. Yet he is clearly the ultimate insider, the smarmy, let's make a deal, who do I have to pay off, let's see how many corners we can cut, let's screw those who can't fight back, corrupt figure that he pretends he is against. His goal is to make money, and he has trashed a lot of people along the way to this end, and has made clear during the debate, he thinks himself smart for not contributing to the extent possible.

Thirdly, what does it say about the judgement of a man who has made so many errors in the business sector, literally thousands of lawsuits and court cases against him, some even pending now, who goes into the premier forum for public judgement, the first debate, and smirks and calls himself smart for not paying taxes, due to his mistakes, miscalculations, buffoonery, and possibly fast accounting principles, not thinking of course that those obligations are being picked up by the most vulnerable and most humble in society- pensioners, workers with mandatory wage deductions, etc. He has a grin on his face, but is there much between the ears?
 
I disagree. I think whichever candidate gets elected only gets four years. The economy has been on an upswing for 6 years and will have to turn eventually. I think 12 years of Democrats will lead to people wanting a change and 4 years of Trump will lead to people wanting a change.

I think the next President gets four years, regardless of who wins. As far as what type of candidate comes next, there's no telling.

What you're missing here is that the Bernie-style candidate must come from the Democrats.....that can't happen with a sitting Democrat president.

Thus electing Trump is the only way to field a Bernie-style candidate in four years.
 
Yes, but the humour subsides when the actual problem with Trump's return emerges. First of all, he makes his main, indeed only claim to the White House on being a cracker jack businessman. Except that he is not, as he has lost a billion dollars, gone through four bankruptcies, trashed the public corporation he ran, stiffed endless contractors and small businessmen, and generally made an ass of himself to all and sundry. He crows about his wealth, but is afraid to let the public see exactly what that is. I'm not even going to get into the discussion that running a business in no way qualities one for the top public job, that is the topic of another thread.

Second, he endlessly paints himself as a patriot, and outsider who will fix all the waste and corruption in the country. Yet he is clearly the ultimate insider, the smarmy, let's make a deal, who do I have to pay off, let's see how many corners we can cut, let's screw those who can't fight back, corrupt figure that he pretends he is against. His goal is to make money, and he has trashed a lot of people along the way to this end, and has made clear during the debate, he thinks himself smart for not contributing to the extent possible.

Thirdly, what does it say about the judgement of a man who has made so many errors in the business sector, literally thousands of lawsuits and court cases against him, some even pending now, who goes into the premier forum for public judgement, the first debate, and smirks and calls himself smart for not paying taxes, due to his mistakes, miscalculations, buffoonery, and possibly fast accounting principles, not thinking of course that those obligations are being picked up by the most vulnerable and most humble in society- pensioners, workers with mandatory wage deductions, etc. He has a grin on his face, but is there much between the ears?

He's got billions of dollars and a vast empire. Lawsuits and other complications come with the territory.

The bottom line is that Hillary is a murderer of innocent Muslim kids with her Predator Drones.....a war criminal right along with Obama.

She also put us all at risk with her mishandling of Top Secret information. She's a greedy flake and her only strength is her ruthlessness.

Trump would do more right by mistake than she could ever do pretending to try.
 
What you're missing here is that the Bernie-style candidate must come from the Democrats.....that can't happen with a sitting Democrat president.

Thus electing Trump is the only way to field a Bernie-style candidate in four years.
Anti Vietnam War progressive opponents of Hubert Humphrey made the same argument in 1968 for supporting Richard Nixon--a truly left wing candidate in four years. We got George McGovern and a nearly 50 state Nixon landslide instead. Scorched earth nihilism rarely turns out as planned.
 
He's got billions of dollars and a vast empire. Lawsuits and other complications come with the territory.

We don't know how much money he has, as he has made that a secret. The very fact he has indicates that he has something to hide. His "empire" for the most part has fallen apart in one bust after another. And lawsuits do not come with the territory, Trump is the king of labour and business friction. More to the point, even if he was a business genius, the skills required to run a country are quite different, and Trump has no public administration experience, and he has made abundantly clear that he knows little to nothing of the world outside of real estate wheeling and dealing.

The bottom line is that Hillary is a murderer of innocent Muslim kids with her Predator Drones.....a war criminal right along with Obama.

OK, then there are many thousands of murderers in the US armed forces, because they have been doing the same thing. If you don't want to be a "criminal", then what would you do? Let various terrorist acts take place?

She also put us all at risk with her mishandling of Top Secret information. She's a greedy flake and her only strength is her ruthlessness.

Some files were mishandled. It is unknown if anyone was put at risk, and you certainly don't know yourself. If she is ruthless, then as a Trumpite you should admire her.

Trump would do more right by mistake than she could ever do pretending to try.

No only hyperbole, but if I were you I would not mention Trump and mistakes in the same sentence, if you want to leave the impression you do.
 
Anti Vietnam War progressive opponents of Hubert Humphrey made the same argument in 1968 for supporting Richard Nixon--a truly left wing candidate in four years. We got George McGovern and a nearly 50 state Nixon landslide instead. Scorched earth nihilism rarely turns out as planned.

That was then......this is now.
 
We don't know how much money he has, as he has made that a secret. The very fact he has indicates that he has something to hide. His "empire" for the most part has fallen apart in one bust after another. And lawsuits do not come with the territory, Trump is the king of labour and business friction. More to the point, even if he was a business genius, the skills required to run a country are quite different, and Trump has no public administration experience, and he has made abundantly clear that he knows little to nothing of the world outside of real estate wheeling and dealing.

His financial disclosures are public record. It came to about ten billion as I recall.

I'd rather see a tough negotiator like Trump than a wussie like Obama.......his strength has been a cowardly sending of drones that have killed hundreds of innocent Muslim kids.
 
OK, then there are many thousands of murderers in the US armed forces, because they have been doing the same thing. If you don't want to be a "criminal", then what would you do? Let various terrorist acts take place?

We're talking about hundreds, perhaps thousands of children killed by errant Predator Drone strikes.

Most of our soldiers kill very rarely and almost never kill innocent children.

Terrorists acts will continue to take place until we make peace with their source.

Trump has said clearly, "NO MORE NATION-BUILDING."

That's a step in the right direction.
 
Hilarious indeed.

Except using tax deductions in itself isn't and never has been the problem.* It's a point of contention because Trump has held no political office and his claim to qualification for being President is his wealth and success in business, the facts of which he has made a point to obscure.

Combined with his statement that executives "get away with murder and pay little or no taxes," his hypocrisy comes through in a myriad of ways, such as

1)He himself "gets away with murder" by paying no taxes.
2)He claimed this was "smart" when cornered in the debate.
3)Which he subsequently backtracked on after the debate by claiming he pays Federal taxes
4)None of his proposed policies fixes the problem that executives "get away with murder and pay little or no taxes." And of course...
5)This contradicts the aura of the master businessman he's always touted (but never backed up)

Any narrative he attempts to create regarding his business and his taxes is hopeless twisted and impaled on itself.

The reason we're not putting Clinton under this same microscope is because business is not her claim to qualification and because she has never attempted to obscure her tax returns. That's why her political past is being dissected instead of her business experience. Conversely, Donald's lack of political office is why we're dissecting (or attempting to dissect) his business instead of his history in political office.

Finally, let's nip two followup questions in the bud as they are based on straw men:

1)"Tax returns don't reveal total wealth." We do not need to be told this, because we know it already.
2) "Well how many successful businesses has Clinton run?" The reason we're not asking this is because business is not her claim to qualification. That's why her political past is being dissected instead of her business experience.


*With regards to this topic. There are very much problems with tax deduction laws, but that's for an entirely different discussion.



What would happen to ANY CEO of a company who did not instruct his accountants to take advantage of every tax law out there?


This is such a stupid issue, you know that right?
 
What would happen to ANY CEO of a company who did not instruct his accountants to take advantage of every tax law out there?


This is such a stupid issue, you know that right?

You appear to have hit "reply with quote" to the wrong person. Just letting you know so you can edit your post.
 
You appear to have hit "reply with quote" to the wrong person. Just letting you know so you can edit your post.




nah bro, it was to you.... but dodge the obvious if you must..... It's funny how all the "occupy wall street" types are now voting for the wall street type.....
 
nah bro, it was to you.... but dodge the obvious if you must..... It's funny how all the "occupy wall street" types are now voting for the wall street type.....

When did these occupy people announce they were voting for Trump?
 
Reporting 'all of the news that's fit to print' isn't whining but when it comes to politics just about every story gets spun.

:lol:

Another apologist post. :yawn:
 
But Trump is running for President now.

Again, the New York Times isn't running for President.

Fallacy alert. This is called a red herring.

Actually its called denial. The Hillary Lemmings are almost over the cliff on this one. :lamo
 
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Another apologist post.
:yawn:



You're the one who should apologize for the Alt-Right BS that you post.

:lol:

Come back when you can spend less time with us.
 
When did these occupy people announce they were voting for Trump?



1. Hillary refuses to release all those big bank speeches she gave for millions of dollars.

"The speech in 2013 was one of three Clinton made on behalf of Goldman Sachs. According to public records, Clinton gave 92 speeches between 2013 and 2015. Her standard fee is $225,000, and she collected $21.6 million dollars in just under two years. Clinton made 8 speeches to big banks, netting $1.8 million, according to a CNN analysis."

The truth about Hillary Clinton's Wall Street speeches - Apr. 20, 2016



"In her quest to be the nation's 45th president, the Democratic front-runner has taken in a stunning haul from the finance industry — just shy of $27 million and counting, according to the latest filings as analyzed by OpenSecrets.org. The New York metro area specifically has contributed $40.9 million of the total $204.3 million she has raised."

Hillary Clinton is rolling in the money from Wall Street - Yahoo Finance




que obfuscation, idiocracy, deflection, a non-reply, and the haymarket shuffle.
 
You're the one who should apologize for the Alt-Right BS that you post.

:lol:

Come back when you can spend less time with us.




This is a great example how the media shapes peoples mind. the "alt-right" tag was a straight up hillary/msnbc creation... and look how people jump on it without even knowing what they are speaking of.
 
1. Hillary refuses to release all those big bank speeches she gave for millions of dollars.

"The speech in 2013 was one of three Clinton made on behalf of Goldman Sachs. According to public records, Clinton gave 92 speeches between 2013 and 2015. Her standard fee is $225,000, and she collected $21.6 million dollars in just under two years. Clinton made 8 speeches to big banks, netting $1.8 million, according to a CNN analysis."

The truth about Hillary Clinton's Wall Street speeches - Apr. 20, 2016



"In her quest to be the nation's 45th president, the Democratic front-runner has taken in a stunning haul from the finance industry — just shy of $27 million and counting, according to the latest filings as analyzed by OpenSecrets.org. The New York metro area specifically has contributed $40.9 million of the total $204.3 million she has raised."

Hillary Clinton is rolling in the money from Wall Street - Yahoo Finance

What does any of that have to do with the reality that Trump is poised and ready to plant a huge kiss on the reeking backside of Wall Street ?

Donald Trump Says He Would Dismantle Dodd-Frank Wall Street Regulation

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said on Tuesday that sweeping financial reforms put in place under President Barack Obama were harming the economy and he would dismantle nearly all of them.

Trump told Reuters in an interview that he would release a plan in about two weeks for overhauling the 2010 financial regulatory law known as Dodd-Frank.

“Dodd-Frank has made it impossible for bankers to function,” the presumptive Republican nominee said. “It makes it very hard for bankers to loan money for people to create jobs, for people with businesses to create jobs. And that has to stop.”

Pressed on the extent of the changes he wanted to make, Trump said, “it will be close to dismantling of Dodd-Frank.”

Reacting on Twitter to Trump’s comment, Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton called it a “reckless idea” that would “leave middle-class families out to dry.”

Dodd-Frank, passed in the aftermath of the 2007-2009 financial crisis, forced U.S. banks to reduce their reliance on debt for funding and to craft “living wills,” or blueprints for winding them down in a crisis.

The law created a new agency, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, to oversee consumer financial products such as mortgages and gave regulators new powers over large non-bank financial companies.

Trump preparing plan to dismantle Obama's Wall Street reform law | Reuters

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said on Tuesday that sweeping financial reforms put in place under President Barack Obama were harming the economy and he would dismantle nearly all of them.

Trump told Reuters in an interview that he would release a plan in about two weeks for overhauling the 2010 financial regulatory law known as Dodd-Frank.

"Dodd-Frank has made it impossible for bankers to function," the presumptive Republican nominee said. "It makes it very hard for bankers to loan money for people to create jobs, for people with businesses to create jobs. And that has to stop."

Pressed on the extent of the changes he wanted to make, Trump said, "it will be close to dismantling of Dodd-Frank."

Reacting on Twitter to Trump's comment, Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton called it a "reckless idea" that would "leave middle-class families out to dry."

Dodd-Frank, passed in the aftermath of the 2007-2009 financial crisis, forced U.S. banks to reduce their reliance on debt for funding and to craft “living wills,” or blueprints for winding them down in a crisis.

The law created a new agency, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, to oversee consumer financial products such as mortgages and gave regulators new powers over large non-bank financial companies.

That action would matter 1000 times more than any speech ever given by Clinton.

So I pose the question to you again - where is there any evidence that the occupy wall street folks are now voting for Trump as you alluded to previously?


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It's funny how all the "occupy wall street" types are now voting for the wall street type.....
 
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What does any of that have to do with the reality that Trump is poised and ready to plant a huge kiss on the reeking backside of Wall Street ?

Donald Trump Says He Would Dismantle Dodd-Frank Wall Street Regulation



Trump preparing plan to dismantle Obama's Wall Street reform law | Reuters



That action would matter 1000 times more than any speech ever given by Clinton.

So I pose the question to you again - where is there any evidence that the occupy wall street folks are now voting for Trump as you alluded to previously?



So you think quoting the same thing twice makes your post twice as intelligent or something? :lol:


You haven't address the fact that clinton is in the pockets of the bankers and wall street. you just post "trump bad, derp derp derp"
 
So you think quoting the same thing twice makes your post twice as intelligent or something? :lol:


You haven't address the fact that clinton is in the pockets of the bankers and wall street. you just post "trump bad, derp derp derp"



If i could find ten sources with the same information- that would be ten times as good. But all you have to do is show that the information I presented is not true.

And of course, you did not even go there and were impotent to even try to do so. So it stands as presented and refutes your claim that Clinton is the Wall Street darling as Trump is far far far worse with his promises about Dodd Frank.

I agree that Clinton is far too friendly to Wall Street and spread for their money. But Trump would actually present them with legislation that would do far far far more harm to the nation than any personal enrichment Clinton undertook from Wall Street.

But feel free to present quotes from Clinton that she would deliver to Wall Street the same goodies that Trump has promised to deliver in getting rid of Dodd Frank. If you can do that - you actually have something more than just hatred of Clinton for accessing some big checks for speeches.
 
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This is a great example how the media shapes peoples mind. the "alt-right" tag was a straight up hillary/msnbc creation...
and look how people jump on it without even knowing what they are speaking of.



Come back and tell us all about it after the Alt-Right and Trump get their butts handed to them next month.

I'm looking forward to hearing all of the 'woulda,coulda,shouldas.

:lol:



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