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Climate Alarmism in the 1970's

vegas giants said:
Yes we can have an impact. Of course we can
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An impact? How great an impact are you predicting?

Please be be specific.

Also, please explain why the previous temperature highs, 3 to 4 degrees warmer than today, happened with no influence from the cause you cite: Anthropogenic emissions.

Whether or not controlling CO2 will allow man to control and direct the climate of the planet is unknown.

What is known with absolute certainty is that the blessings of the use of fossil fuels have created more wealth and greater comfort for more people than ever before in history.

The number of democracies governing people in the world has increased from about 5 to about 100.

Fossil fuels have been proven to be the cheapest, most powerful, most portable and most adaptable energy source ever discovered and employed by man.

Further, what is also known with absolute certainty is that the current global climate is well below the peaks experienced in both this and previous interglacials.

climate4you welcome

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The last four glacial periods and interglacial periods are shown in the diagram below (Fig.2), covering the last 420,000 years in Earth's climatic history.


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Fig.2. Reconstructed global temperature over the past 420,000 years based on the Vostok ice core from the Antarctica (Petit et al. 2001). The record spans over four glacial periods and five interglacials, including the present. The horizontal line indicates the modern temperature. The red square to the right indicates the time interval shown in greater detail in the following figure.

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code1211 said:
An impact? How great an impact are you predicting?

Please be be specific.

Also, please explain why the previous temperature highs, 3 to 4 degrees warmer than today, happened with no influence from the cause you cite: Anthropogenic emissions.

Whether or not controlling CO2 will allow man to control and direct the climate of the planet is unknown.

What is known with absolute certainty is that the blessings of the use of fossil fuels have created more wealth and greater comfort for more people than ever before in history.

The number of democracies governing people in the world has increased from about 5 to about 100.

Fossil fuels have been proven to be the cheapest, most powerful, most portable and most adaptable energy source ever discovered and employed by man.

Further, what is also known with absolute certainty is that the current global climate is well below the peaks experienced in both this and previous interglacials.

climate4you welcome

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The last four glacial periods and interglacial periods are shown in the diagram below (Fig.2), covering the last 420,000 years in Earth's climatic history.


VostokTemp0-420000%20BP.gif

Fig.2. Reconstructed global temperature over the past 420,000 years based on the Vostok ice core from the Antarctica (Petit et al. 2001). The record spans over four glacial periods and five interglacials, including the present. The horizontal line indicates the modern temperature. The red square to the right indicates the time interval shown in greater detail in the following figure.

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The effects are discussed here

Effects | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet
 
vegas giants said:
The effects are discussed here

Effects | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet
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Just to demonstrate what a joke this version of "science" is, here is pull quote from the propaganda you linked to:

"The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which includes more than 1,300 scientists from the United States and other countries, forecasts a temperature rise of 2.5 to 10 degrees Fahrenheit over the next century."

2.5 to 10? RU Kidding me? That's a 400% margin of error.

What this demonstrates is that these particular 1300 scientists are very wide in DIS-agreement- not agreement.

Those that FEEL the warming will be 2.5 are in one camp.

There are apparently various camps in this, according to your source, that FEEL the temperature will warm more. At least some up to 400% more.

This is NOT science that agreed upon, this is a game show called Can You Top This.

Clearly, these jack wagons are basing their predictions on the amount of grant money they might receive from the agenda driven, private jet flying, pearl clutching money changers.

Again, this prediction comes to us from the same folks that make predictions that are ridiculously overstating warming to date. Of course, they ALWAYS do. The vast majority of predictions to date, however, are clearly wrong and proven to be wrong.

Regarding climate change, it has been changing since the planet formed. After 4.5 billion years of climate change, we might expect climate change to continue.

Question: When the Sahara Desert desertified, was that a forerunner cause of the evils produced by private jets and SUV's?

Also predicted by the loons in your link: "Sea Level Will Rise 1-4 feet by 2100". Another 400% margin of error. Seriously, do these guys really get paid for this tripe? Is there something magic about a 400% margin of error? Seems popular with these guys...

If the sea level rise is even 1 foot, that would be amazing. As I've pointed out on this board numerous times, The Spaniards built the Castillo de San Marcos on the coast in 1600 in what is now Florida.

The Castillo, the coast and the Atlantic Ocean are all right about where they left them. This during a period of what we are told is the most rapid, most dramatic warming in the history of the planet. C'mon, man!

Castillo de San Marcos National Monument (U.S. National Park Service)
 
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code1211 said:
Just to demonstrate what a joke this version of "science" is, here is pull quote from the propaganda you linked to:

"The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which includes more than 1,300 scientists from the United States and other countries, forecasts a temperature rise of 2.5 to 10 degrees Fahrenheit over the next century."

2.5 to 10? RU Kidding me? That's a 400% margin of error.

What this demonstrates is that these particular 1300 scientists are very wide in DIS-agreement- not agreement.

Those that FEEL the warming will be 2.5 are in one camp.

There are apparently various camps in this, according to your source, that FEEL the temperature will warm more. At least some up to 400% more.

This is NOT science that agreed upon, this is a game show called Can You Top This.

Clearly, these jack wagons are basing their predictions on the amount of grant money they might receive from the agenda driven, private jet flying, pearl clutching money changers.

Again, this prediction comes to us from the same folks that make predictions that are ridiculously overstating warming to date. Of course, they ALWAYS do. The vast majority of predictions to date, however, are clearly wrong and proven to be wrong.

Regarding climate change, it has been changing since the planet formed. After 4.5 billion years of climate change, we might expect climate change to continue.

Question: When the Sahara Desert desertified, was that a forerunner cause of the evils produced by private jets and SUV's?

Also predicted by the loons in your link: "Sea Level Will Rise 1-4 feet by 2100". Another 400% margin of error. Seriously, do these guys really get paid for this tripe? Is there something magic about a 400% margin of error? Seems popular with these guys...

If the sea level rise is even 1 foot, that would be amazing. As I've pointed out on this board numerous times, The Spaniards built the Castillo de San Marcos on the coast in 1600 in what is now Florida.

The Castillo, the coast and the Atlantic Ocean are all right about where they left them. This during a period of what we are told is the most rapid, most dramatic warming in the history of the planet. C'mon, man!

Castillo de San Marcos National Monument (U.S. National Park Service)
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All are predicting the earth will get warmer. Even the deniers on here admit that. So does every science agency on the planet.


Face it.....the consensus is overwhelming
 
vegas giants said:
All are predicting the earth will get warmer. Even the deniers on here admit that. So does every science agency on the planet.


Face it.....the consensus is overwhelming
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The consensus is the science. Some within what you are calling a consensus say warming will be very little and others say it will be very much. Some are in the middle.

In terms of science, this means they ALL are probably ridiculously wrong since their methodology justifies any conclusion they feel like drawing.

When enough time passes to test their predictions, they are wrong. Some by a little, some by a lot, some in the middle. The consensus is meaningless.

These are the guys who couldn't maintain their medical licenses because they kept removing the wrong kidney. 400% margin of error... RUKidding me? They might have even removed a leg instead of a kidney.

Failed in every other scientific discipline? Next stop: CLIMATOLOGY!
 
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code1211 said:
The consensus is the science. Some say warming will be very little and others say it will be very much. Some are in the middle.

In terms of science, this means they ALL are probably ridiculously wrong since their methodology justifies any conclusion they feel like drawing.

When enough time passes to test their predictions, they are wrong. Some by a little, some by a lot, some in the middle. The consensus is meaningless.

These are the guys who couldn't maintain their medical licenses because they kept removing the wrong kidney. 400% margin of error... RUKidding me? They might have even removed a leg instead of a kidney.

Failed in every other scientific discipline? Next stop: CLIMATOLOGY!
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The earth has been getting hotter. Their predictions are all coming true. It is long overdue for us to be doing something about it.



Greta is right
 
vegas giants said:
The earth has been getting hotter. Their predictions are all coming true. It is long overdue for us to be doing something about it.



Greta is right
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The average temperature has increased, some! The high temperatures a little, but quite a bit less than the low temperatures.
"Hotter" implies the highs, but there has only been minimal increases in high temperatures.
~ 75% of the average temperature increase has been in nightime and winter lows, not going as low.
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The observed warming of the surface air temperature (SAT) over the last 50 years has not been homogenous.
There are strong differences in the temperature changes both geographically and on different time frames.
Here, we review the observed diurnal asymmetry in the global warming trend:
the night‐time temperatures have increased more rapidly than day‐time temperatures.
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https://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1995/1995_Hansen_ha09800r.pdf
They find that the average minimum temperature increased 0.84°C while the average maximum temperature increased only 0.28°C.
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So the low temperatures have been increasing roughly 3 times faster than the high temperatures,
So while the average temperature is increasing, it is bu a 3:1 factor caused by low temperatures not getting as low.
 
longview said:
The average temperature has increased, some! The high temperatures a little, but quite a bit less than the low temperatures.
"Hotter" implies the highs, but there has only been minimal increases in high temperatures.
~ 75% of the average temperature increase has been in nightime and winter lows, not going as low.
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https://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1995/1995_Hansen_ha09800r.pdf

So the low temperatures have been increasing roughly 3 times faster than the high temperatures,
So while the average temperature is increasing, it is bu a 3:1 factor caused by low temperatures not getting as low.
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Yes. More evidence of AGW
 
longview said:
The average temperature has increased, some! The high temperatures a little, but quite a bit less than the low temperatures.
"Hotter" implies the highs, but there has only been minimal increases in high temperatures.
~ 75% of the average temperature increase has been in nightime and winter lows, not going as low.
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https://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1995/1995_Hansen_ha09800r.pdf

So the low temperatures have been increasing roughly 3 times faster than the high temperatures,
So while the average temperature is increasing, it is bu a 3:1 factor caused by low temperatures not getting as low.
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WOW!!!

Are you really bringing up this outdated, cherry-picked, and misleading BS again?? It has literally been debunked over and over and over again.

You really are shameless.
 
longview said:
Evidence of AGW, is not evidence of catastrophic AGW, the two are not one in the same!
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The "evidence" is so small it falls into the margin of error, which means nothing.
 
Buzz said:
WOW!!!

Are you really bringing up this outdated, cherry-picked, and misleading BS again?? It has literally been debunked over and over and over again.

You really are shameless.
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The diurnal asymmetry has not been debunked, it is a matter of the record.
 
vegas giants said:
The earth has been getting hotter. Their predictions are all coming true. It is long overdue for us to be doing something about it.



Greta is right
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With respect, we are cooler by about a degree than 8000 years ago.

We are about as warm as we were 5000 years ago.

We are warmer by about a degree than we were 2000 years ago.

The coolest part of the Holocene after the peak warming of 8000 years ago was in about 1880.

The cooling at that time was an unusual departure from norms AND it also marks the dawn of the instrument record. Most of our current warming is simply recovery from that unusual low temperature average.

This climate change is not unprecedented, not dramatic and not catastrophic. Most of it is a return to a less abnormal temperature range.

If anything, the climate record during the Holocene reflects astonishing stability. Variation in a system this complex within a 2 degree range for 8000 years? That's incredible!

Greta is a sock puppet mouthing the words for her activist, climate alarmist parents. Any sensible person would see this as child abuse against a child with special needs.

How dare they?
 
code1211 said:
With respect, we are cooler by about a degree than 8000 years ago.

We are about as warm as we were 5000 years ago.

We are warmer by about a degree than we were 2000 years ago.

The coolest part of the Holocene after the peak warming of 8000 years ago was in about 1880.

The cooling at that time was an unusual departure from norms AND it also marks the dawn of the instrument record. Most of our current warming is simply recovery from that unusual low temperature average.

This climate change is not unprecedented, not dramatic and not catastrophic. Most of it is a return to a less abnormal temperature range.

If anything, the climate record during the Holocene reflects astonishing stability. Variation in a system this complex within a 2 degree range for 8000 years? That's incredible!

Greta is a sock puppet mouthing the words for her activist, climate alarmist parents. Any sensible person would see this as child abuse against a child with special needs.

How dare they?
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We are warming now due to co2. Society has changed a lot in the last 5000 years. I am not willing to live like they did.....are you?
 
vegas giants said:
The scientific community disagrees with you
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Support your claim that everyone in the scientific community agrees that
evidence of AGW is exactly the same as evidence of catastrophic AGW?
When was the poll taken, and where were results published?
 
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