Civility Can Begin Again As Long As The Left Is In Control...

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Nah, they were just trying to mimic you guys on the left chant of "lock HIM up" referring to Kavanaugh, of course. Here's a clue: Dislike of Hilary and revulsion at Comey's blatant partisan dismissal of her crimes isn't limited to Alt-Righters.

"Nah"...that's bull****.

 

[eohrnberger]

Well, ok. When I said it is a well-studied political philosophy, I was not referring to arguments between know-nothings on anonymous political message boards. No one will EVER confuse the conservatives on this board who believe Fascism to be a "left wing" ideology.....with academic social scientists. The simple fact is that Fascism is an extreme-right wing ideology. There is literally almost NOTHING "left wing" about it. The problem is that people don't understand the terms they like to use. In many cases, these terms have perverted almost to the point of being redefined in popular culture. But that doesn't change their true definitions.

Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

• Radical Authoritarian - Yes, that's the left, where anyone who has a differing opinion must be shouted down, chased out of restaurants, publicly confronted, and silenced.
• forcible suppression of opposition - As demonstrated above, as these fascist tactics are being used to achieve that end
• strong regimentation of society and of the economy - Yes, that's the left
  • strong regimentation of society - in that anyone formerly loved by the left, such as Kanye West, who now has a differing opinion, is publicly excoriated.
  • strong regimentation of the economy - Yes, that's the left, with ever growing, economic stifling regulation on business so the economy 'works' they way they want, (New Normal)

You denials are typical, especially so when there are so many similarities in means, methods, and objectives.

 

[eohrnberger]

. . . .

:lamo What "mob rule"? There are no "mob rule" in effect. What does that even mean? That's a FoxNews talking point that has no real meaning. The public protests we're seeing now are no different than the Tea Party protests of 2009-10. Back then, your side called it "we the people" and "democracy" and the rise of "Real America", remember? But now....it's "mob rule". That's just silly. And most people see that. Can you cite even on example of "mob rule" by "the left" for me to examine, that you would be comfortable defending?

We have now have a Democrat congresswoman calling for the public confrontation and harassment of people who have the temerity to have differing political positions, and are political opponents.

We have now have a Democrat former Attorney General calling for assault against people who have the temerity to have differing political positions, and are political opponents.

We have a former Sec. of State clearly stating that there will be no civility until Democrats regain their former political power.

Not mob rule? Really? Seems to be exactly mob rule.

Ochlocracy (Greek: ὀχλοκρατία, okhlokratía; Latin: ochlocratia) or mob rule is the rule of government by mob or a mass of people, or, the intimidation of legitimate authorities. As a pejorative for majoritarianism, it is akin to the Latinphrase mobile vulgus meaning "the fickle crowd", from which the English term "mob" originally was derived in the 1680s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ochlocracy

Ok.

Give me examples, and I'll tell you what I think. I can't think of a single example of "mob rule". I think that's just an empty political talking point that you have picked up from conservative media and the Trump administration.

• So the demented people pounding and clawing the Supreme Court front door aren't a mob?
• AntiFa in Portland blocking a busy intersection and attacking motorists isn't a mob or mob tactics?
• Sarah Huckabee Sanders and her family being harassed, confronted and intimidated in the Red Hen was a mob or mob tactics?
• DHS Sec. Kirstjen Nielsen being heckled, harassed at restaurant and being forced to leave was a mob or mob tactics?

The list of mob behavior by the political left and its supporters seems endless. I think its well beyond denial at this point as well as well beyond denial that this is in fact historically and uniquely in the history of the US Democrat party.

“The media are doing their best to try and cover for this,” Mr. Shapiro said Wednesday. “So you have this conflict that is now happening, the gaslighting that is happening, where Democrats are openly stating — openly — that they are in favor of mob politics, that they are fine with mob politics. They’re fine with people showing up at restaurants and yelling at people. They are fine with people trying to beat down the 13-ton bronze door at the Supreme Court. They are fine with folks screaming at senators in elevators. They are fine with all of these things.”
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/10/ben-shapiro-media-tries-to-gaslight-voters-as-demo/

Indeed. The 'news' media (political propaganda) is in fact gaslighting the public on this topic, but what do you expect from the DNC political propaganda arm?

 

[OscarLevant]

Personally I have never belonged to a party.

However in today's political climate I can not see how any sane intelligent independent would be supporting the right wing.

I have not moved in my political beliefs, but the right has gone so far right they have gone over the edge and I find myself firmly standing to the left of center...

A good place to be. That's where most of the electorate are.

 

[ultmd]

• Radical Authoritarian - Yes, that's the left, where anyone who has a differing opinion must be shouted down, chased out of restaurants, publicly confronted, and silenced.
• forcible suppression of opposition - As demonstrated above, as these fascist tactics are being used to achieve that end
• strong regimentation of society and of the economy - Yes, that's the left
  • strong regimentation of society - in that anyone formerly loved by the left, such as Kanye West, who now has a differing opinion, is publicly excoriated.
  • strong regimentation of the economy - Yes, that's the left, with ever growing, economic stifling regulation on business so the economy 'works' they way they want, (New Normal)

You denials are typical, especially so when there are so many similarities in means, methods, and objectives.

:lamo

NONE of those are "left". You're having a hard time separating your personal feelings and biases from OBJECTIVE FACTS.

Read your own WIKOPEDIA article. Just below the first sentence (which seems to be all that you bothered to read), is this (just two sentences later):

Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[6][7][8][9][10][11]

So again, let's be clear about this. No one...NO ONE...considers Fascism to be "left" of ANYTHING. It is, in FACT, considered an extreme RIGHT WING political ideology.

I suggest that you read the rest of your own Wikopedia article, for starters. Look, this is not complicated stuff. It's all well-studied social science. You CANNOT just make up your own meanings and definitions, eohrnberger.

 

[ultmd]

We have now have a Democrat congresswoman calling for the public confrontation and harassment of people who have the temerity to have differing political positions, and are political opponents.

Yes, we now have a single Democratic (NOT Democrat) Congresswoman calling for the public to do EXACTLY what the Tea Party protestors did back in 2009-10, when EVERY (not simple ONE) Republican openly supported (if not promoted) "confrontation and harrassment of people who have the temerity to have different political positions". Remember that? How quickly the conservative mind forgets! Some might even call it "selective forgetfulness".

We have now have a Democratic former Attorney General calling for assault against people who have the temerity to have differing political positions, and are political opponents.

I corrected your poor grammar, above. You are welcome.

And yes, we have a former Democratic AG calling for the same (or very similar) behavior as our CURRENT Republican POTUS has been doing at his weekly rallies for the last 3 years. Surely you don't have a problem with that, do you? If so, please, be candid in your explanation, because to most people it appears that you are suffering from a severe case of Conservative Duplicity.

We have a former Sec. of State clearly stating that there will be no civility until Democrats regain their former political power.

Yes, we have a former Sec. of State suggesting essentially the same concept that the CURRENT Senate Majority Leader adopted when he declared his "Total Obstruction" plan to combat the "atrocity" (at least in the eyes of your people) of a newly elected African-American POTUS. So again, what's with the selective outrage from your side, huh?

Not mob rule? Really? Seems to be exactly mob rule.

LOL, NONE of the above is "mob rule". It wasn't "mob rule" when YOUR SIDE did the EXACT same things (on a much larger scale, in fact) when Obama was President, either. The closest thing to "mob rule" we've seen was the Senate's refusal to take up the nomination of Merrick Garland. That was "mob rule". So clearly, your side isn't against "Mob rule". You're just entitled snowflakes who can't take what you love to dish out. :lamo

• So the demented people pounding and clawing the Supreme Court front door aren't a mob? [:lamo"clawing"? I see you read DailyCaller and watch foxNews, lol]
• AntiFa in Portland blocking a busy intersection and attacking motorists isn't a mob or mob tactics?
• Sarah Huckabee Sanders and her family being harassed, confronted and intimidated in the Red Hen was a mob or mob tactics?
• DHS Sec. Kirstjen Nielsen being heckled, harassed at restaurant and being forced to leave was a mob or mob tactics?

• - Tea People spitting in the face of Rep. John Lewis (Ga.)-a true American hero-as he walks into congress
• - Tea People shouting "n-word!" and "f@gg@t!!" at Rep. James Clyburn and Rep. Barney Frank as they walked into the House chambers before a presidential address after the passage of Obamacare
• - Democratic Rep. Lloyd Doggett (Tx) chased out of his local grocery store by demented Tea People dressed in Devil's suits with red horns and carrying "RIP Doggett"
• - Democratic Rep. Louis Slaugher (NY) has bricks thrown through windows of his campaign office (during working hours) and then his home (at night)...by demented Tea People.

And I can go on for a while, if you need more. Just let me know. There is NO question which side has been responsible for most of the violence.

The list of mob behavior by the political left and its supporters seems endless. I think its well beyond denial at this point as well as well beyond denial that this is in fact historically and uniquely in the history of the US Democrat party.

You are delusional. Your ideology has poisoned your brain, I'm afraid. Party affiliation evolves over time, and has nothing to do with it. If you weren't such a blind ideologue, you'd recognize that. What is "beyond denial" is that RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVES are now (and have been historically) responsible for the OVERWHELMING proportion of the terroristic violence in this country. That is not arguable, and it doesn't really matter if you are ready to accept it.

Indeed. The 'news' media (political propaganda) is in fact gaslighting the public on this topic, but what do you expect from the DNC political propaganda arm?

:lamoSpoken like a true-blue right wing conservative conspiracy theorist. I expect nothing less from you guys than irrational, emotional, thinly-source (if sourced at all) arguments.

 

[eohrnberger]

:lamo

NONE of those are "left". You're having a hard time separating your personal feelings and biases from OBJECTIVE FACTS.

Read your own WIKOPEDIA article. Just below the first sentence (which seems to be all that you bothered to read), is this (just two sentences later):



So again, let's be clear about this. No one...NO ONE...considers Fascism to be "left" of ANYTHING. It is, in FACT, considered an extreme RIGHT WING political ideology.

I suggest that you read the rest of your own Wikopedia article, for starters. Look, this is not complicated stuff. It's all well-studied social science. You CANNOT just make up your own meanings and definitions, eohrnberger.

Shouting doesn't make your argument any more compelling.

Regardless of the academic definition you are hiding behind, there's no hiding the fact that modern liberalism are acting very much like fascists, as I've pointed out.

 

[eohrnberger]

Yes, we now have a single Democratic (NOT Democrat) Congresswoman calling for the public to do EXACTLY what the Tea Party protestors did back in 2009-10, when EVERY (not simple ONE) Republican openly supported (if not promoted) "confrontation and harrassment of people who have the temerity to have different political positions". Remember that? How quickly the conservative mind forgets! Some might even call it "selective forgetfulness".

This is incorrect.

The calls for violence from the left are clear, and were not any part of any actions Tea Party protesters (correct spelling - you're welcome).

I corrected your poor grammar, above. You are welcome.

And yes, we have a former Democratic AG calling for the same (or very similar) behavior as our CURRENT Republican POTUS has been doing at his weekly rallies for the last 3 years. Surely you don't have a problem with that, do you? If so, please, be candid in your explanation, because to most people it appears that you are suffering from a severe case of Conservative Duplicity.


Yes, we have a former Sec. of State suggesting essentially the same concept that the CURRENT Senate Majority Leader adopted when he declared his "Total Obstruction" plan to combat the "atrocity" (at least in the eyes of your people) of a newly elected African-American POTUS. So again, what's with the selective outrage from your side, huh?

Conflating Senate procedure with calls for violence when politically convenient? I'd call that dishonest.

LOL, NONE of the above is "mob rule". It wasn't "mob rule" when YOUR SIDE did the EXACT same things (on a much larger scale, in fact) when Obama was President, either. The closest thing to "mob rule" we've seen was the Senate's refusal to take up the nomination of Merrick Garland. That was "mob rule". So clearly, your side isn't against "Mob rule". You're just entitled snowflakes who can't take what you love to dish out. :lamo

• - Tea People spitting in the face of Rep. John Lewis (Ga.)-a true American hero-as he walks into congress
• - Tea People shouting "n-word!" and "f@gg@t!!" at Rep. James Clyburn and Rep. Barney Frank as they walked into the House chambers before a presidential address after the passage of Obamacare
• - Democratic Rep. Lloyd Doggett (Tx) chased out of his local grocery store by demented Tea People dressed in Devil's suits with red horns and carrying "RIP Doggett"
• - Democratic Rep. Louis Slaugher (NY) has bricks thrown through windows of his campaign office (during working hours) and then his home (at night)...by demented Tea People.

And I can go on for a while, if you need more. Just let me know. There is NO question which side has been responsible for most of the violence.

You can go on all you want. Show me some video, as I don't trust what the 'news' (DNC political propaganda) media writes.

You are delusional. Your ideology has poisoned your brain, I'm afraid. Party affiliation evolves over time, and has nothing to do with it. If you weren't such a blind ideologue, you'd recognize that. What is "beyond denial" is that RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVES are now (and have been historically) responsible for the OVERWHELMING proportion of the terroristic violence in this country. That is not arguable, and it doesn't really matter if you are ready to accept it.

The same can be said of you when you are only repeating the DNC talking point issued to their 'news' (political propaganda) media.

:lamoSpoken like a true-blue right wing conservative conspiracy theorist. I expect nothing less from you guys than irrational, emotional, thinly-source (if sourced at all) arguments.