City bans calling someone an ‘illegal alien’ out of hate

[mike2810]

He appears to be in "Runaway" mode.

Don't care. Hopefully he has.

I have stated that hate speech as defined by federal law should not be tolerated. Phys ignored that. The laws are set to allow for freedom of speech. It is when someone acts on the speech that it could be considered hate speech. Some really need to research "hate speech" before making generalized statements about others.

Back to the OP. What is interesting was "Meanwhile on Thursday, the Mayor’s Office of Immigrant Affairs announced a joint $1 million investment with the state to guarantee legal services to immigrants facing imminent deportation."

Great. $1million of tax dollars going to fight deportation. What happened to immigration was a federal issue?:mrgreen:

 

[AProudLefty]

It's funny to see Trump supporters come in here to take a dump without ever reading or comprehending the article. They're like pigeons playing a game of chess.

 

[apdst]

If the free speech warriors were consistent in their views, then you would see them take on free speech cases all across the political spectrum.

But you don't. When it comes to matters such as oppressing the right to nonviolently protest oil pipelines, they go silent. That's because they couldn't give a flying **** about free speech except where it gives them more power.

Protestors left 48 million pounds of garbage...

Dakota Access protest camp: Crews haul off 48 million pounds of garbage, debris - Washington Times

That's illegal. I thought y'all cared about the environment?

 

[AProudLefty]

Don't care. Hopefully he has.

I have stated that hate speech as defined by federal law should not be tolerated. Phys ignored that. The laws are set to allow for freedom of speech. It is when someone acts on the speech that it could be considered hate speech. Some really need to research "hate speech" before making generalized statements about others.

I didn't read the conversation but this has nothing to do with free speech. It's about how employees, customers and tenants are treated.

 

[chuckiechan]

You mean like when Right wingers insist that fascism is socialism?
Yeah, I kinda hate Newspeak and Doublethink, too.

You mean like when Right wingers insist that America is not a democracy?
Yeah, I kinda hate Newspeak and Doublethink, too.

You mean like when Right wingers insist that the Civil War was not about slavery?
Yeah, I kinda hate Newspeak and Doublethink, too.

So in your book all rights and wrongs become indelible, and unchangeable.

So since someone called facism socialism, no one can call undocumented illegal.

Talk about a whirlwind to nowhere.

 

[chuckiechan]

Conservatives think liberals are foolish and misguided. Liberals think conservatives are hateful and evil.

Actually, the rank and file in both parties are quite normal along the center. The stuff the candidates are selling in not what the voters will buy. They know full well the bill for “free stuff” lands on their kitchen table.

 

[mike2810]

I didn't read the conversation but this has nothing to do with free speech. It's about how employees, customers and tenants are treated.

From the OP article, "It’s now against the law in New York City to threaten someone with a call to immigration authorities or refer to them as an “illegal alien” when motivated by hate.

It was the bolded part that got one poster trying to say if anyone calls someone an illegal its hate speech. It was that poster that took the thread away from the orginal post. It was a side discussion only partially related to the OP.

What I also found interesting in the OP article was the statement of, "The Commission on Human Rights made clear that the directive is, at least in part, a rebuke of federal crackdowns on illegal immigration."

One may not agree with the administration approach to illegal immigration. What I see is NYC turning their backs to federal law.

 

[Bullseye]

Pure idiocy.


I’d like to know what these clowns define as “hate”.

The word burners are hard at work.

Can we have a Sieg Heil!!!

Sounds ripe for a test case.

 

[AProudLefty]

From the OP article, "It’s now against the law in New York City to threaten someone with a call to immigration authorities or refer to them as an “illegal alien” when motivated by hate.

It was the bolded part that got one poster trying to say if anyone calls someone an illegal its hate speech. Federal law does not support that stance.

I agree the article discusses work place situations. I believe NYC is going to have a hard time enforcing that new ordinance.

It's moot as it probably won't ever happen. I mean NYC is full of immigrants. They are dime a dozen.

 

[AProudLefty]

From the OP article, "It’s now against the law in New York City to threaten someone with a call to immigration authorities or refer to them as an “illegal alien” when motivated by hate.

It was the bolded part that got one poster trying to say if anyone calls someone an illegal its hate speech. It was that poster that took the thread away from the orginal post. It was a side discussion only partially related to the OP.

What I also found interesting in the OP article was the statement of, "The Commission on Human Rights made clear that the directive is, at least in part, a rebuke of federal crackdowns on illegal immigration."

One may not agree with the administration approach to illegal immigration. What I see is NYC turning their backs to federal law.

Ok I reread. The word "hate" is not in the law. Seems it's an hype based on a NYC tweet.

'A document shared on the nyc.gov reads that, “It is illegal for a person’s employer, coworkers, or housing provider such as landlords to use derogatory or offensive terms to intimidate, humiliate, or degrade people, including by using the term “illegal alien,” where its use is intended to demean, humiliate, or offend another person.'
'Additionally, it reads, “It is illegal for employers to pay workers lower wages or no wages or threaten to call Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to harass, scare, or intimidate workers because of their immigration status.”'

 

[Kreton]

Pure idiocy.


I’d like to know what these clowns define as “hate”.

The word burners are hard at work.

Can we have a Sieg Heil!!!

Making it against the law for someone to use racist language when motivated by hate gets you crying.

However, yelling Sieg Heil on a forum, which is an incredibly racist phrase clearly associated with the nazis is something you have no problem proclaiming?

You, and the 3 people who liked this are clearly.....going to take this down stairs so i can avoid the points.

 

[chuckiechan]

Ok I reread. The word "hate" is not in the law. Seems it's an hype based on a NYC tweet.

'A document shared on the nyc.gov reads that, “It is illegal for a person’s employer, coworkers, or housing provider such as landlords to use derogatory or offensive terms to intimidate, humiliate, or degrade people, including by using the term “illegal alien,” where its use is intended to demean, humiliate, or offend another person.'
'Additionally, it reads, “It is illegal for employers to pay workers lower wages or no wages or threaten to call Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to harass, scare, or intimidate workers because of their immigration status.”'

They have basically copied California law. There is no benefit to being a citizen, and no detriment to being an illegal alien. They are equal in nearly all aspects. About the only thing they can’t do is get a passport, and I doubt they can buy a firearm.

 

[Bum]

City bans calling someone an ‘illegal alien’ out of hate

I see some serious implications for the 1st Amendment here.....not sure how well it would last under judicial scrutiny.

 

[AProudLefty]

I see some serious implications for the 1st Amendment here.....not sure how well it would last under judicial scrutiny.

The word "hate" is not in the law. It's an hype.

 

[trixare4kids]

“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.”
~George Orwell

And people wonder why I call today's leftists illiberal.

 

[AProudLefty]

“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.”
~George Orwell

And people wonder why I call today's leftists illiberal.

I suggest you find the word "hate" in the document.

 

[trixare4kids]

Is the person in the US illegally?

Is the person an alien?

Then yes. They are an illegal alien.

Someone should tell the dictionary they're a bunch of haters... :lol:
Illegal alien | Definition of Illegal alien at Dictionary.com

 

[SDET]

Hey, dude: I, SDET, refuse to unconditionally condemn hate speech. There, I just knocked the chip off your shoulder.

Using the definition of hate speech that mike2810 provided in Post #77, do you, Fledermaus, unconditionally condemn hate speech or not?

 

[trixare4kids]

Considering the level of invective one usually hears on the streets of NYC, especially during arguments over parking spaces, and the city government's policy to avoid arrests and prosecution of minor crimes, who will really take notice let alone enforce another empty law?

Will I get arrested for cursing drivers from New Jersey?

When I'm pounding the windshield of a cab, that just cut me off, with a baseball bat and scream at the driver "where did you learn how to drive, Nigeria?" and he says "yes" am I supposed to just stop and walk away?

Nothing like a City Council with too much time on its hands. And they still can't figure out how to provide public toilets that won't become homeless shelters.

:applaud

 

[SDET]

I would hate to be bothered.

I suggest you find the word "hate" in the document.

 

[AProudLefty]

I would hate to be bothered.

?????

 

[Oborosen]

You're not upset because this law violates the First Amendment. You're upset because it would remove a tiny fraction of Americans' power to hate.

Question, what power of hate?

 

[AProudLefty]

Question, what power of hate?

Jim Crow laws would answer that I believe.

 

[SLC]

How can a law legally violate the first amendment?

Even Federal uses Illegal Alien. I doubt this will fly. :lol: Dumb politicians.

 

[Oborosen]

Jim Crow laws would answer that I believe.

So you're simply admitting that it's something which doesn't exist anymore.