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Ciaramella May Be CIA Spy Planted in Trump WH Identified as “Charlie” in Strzok and Page Text

eohrnberger said:
Goal posts moving? Doesn't strengthen Piece Of Schiff's credibility nor the credibility of this entire 'impeachment' political theater.
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Shifty has no credibility and neither does the MSM even though they and every insider in Washington all know who the whistleblower is.


Eric Ciaramella is his name and spying is his game. He is an Obama holdover, who worked for Brennan, Susan Rice and VP Biden. He worked with the DNC to dig **** on Trump for Hillary Clinton and somehow ends up working in the WH.

Red State has a good article on "Charlie" with several scenarios by Conservative media. For example Sharyl Attkisson stated “If the reporting is correct, (referring to Sperry's article posted at RealClearInvestigations) it implies the “whistleblower” could have been worried Trump was getting close to uncovering Democrat links to Ukraine’s interference in US elections in 2016.

It's a good article. It lays out what we know so far about "Charlie" and in a timeline and more.

Suddenly, Coincidences Involving the Whistleblower Abound
 
Rich2018 said:
Did it not go on to the stand alone server ?
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The notes and transcript may have. From what I have read, standard practice is for a lot of people including a stenographer to listen in and take notes and those are assembled into an official transcript but calls are often not recorded, particularly calls made from the situation room. It is possible there is a recording, but it apparently would be unusual from what I have read in various articles on that particular topic.
 
cabse5 said:
How can you tell us to shoot alleged fraudulent messengers like Gateway Pundit, for example, when you cling to alleged fraudulent messengers like PolitiFact, for example, which back your beliefs?
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When have I used Politifact as a source here? Gateway Pundit simply relays the rightwing fringes stuff. It is so bad.
 
Demonrats biting on Ukraine cheese...:lol:

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vesper said:
Shifty has no credibility and neither does the MSM even though they and every insider in Washington all know who the whistleblower is.


Eric Ciaramella is his name and spying is his game. He is an Obama holdover, who worked for Brennan, Susan Rice and VP Biden. He worked with the DNC to dig **** on Trump for Hillary Clinton and somehow ends up working in the WH.

Red State has a good article on "Charlie" with several scenarios by Conservative media. For example Sharyl Attkisson stated “If the reporting is correct, (referring to Sperry's article posted at RealClearInvestigations) it implies the “whistleblower” could have been worried Trump was getting close to uncovering Democrat links to Ukraine’s interference in US elections in 2016.

It's a good article. It lays out what we know so far about "Charlie" and in a timeline and more.

Suddenly, Coincidences Involving the Whistleblower Abound
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Given the history of the so called whistle blower, it makes all this impeachment look more like a Democrat / Deep State orchestrated political hit job, without any standing or credibility. Typical.

Do you really think that after:

  • The 25th amendment hoax
  • The emoluments clause hoax
  • The Russian Collusion hoax
  • The Mueller witch hunt hoax
  • The Obstruction hoax
  • And now, the Ukrainian phone call hoax with the fake whistle blower hoax, and lying Democrats running the hearing in the House

After all these hoaxes, all orchestrated by the Democrats, all collapsing and imploding after even slightly closer inspection and ascertaining of the facts, after all this, the Democrats still think they have any credibility left?

Sorry, they've cried wolf far too often, and have been proven wrong far too often.
 
veritas1 said:
Let's see this guy testify publicly and answer every question under oath that the GOP wants to ask without interference from Schifty. Then we can decide if he has an ounce of credibility.
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You've already decided. It's sickening.
 
Trump said:
ask the constitutional attorney ....Obama...remember him the one that went after journalists by taping phones and computers:doh
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How do you lie so shamelessly?
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Making up an excuse isn’t a valid rebuttal. It’s actually really pathetic. And remember, you’re the one who brought it up.


Trump-O-Meter: Build a wall, and make Mexico pay for it | PolitiFact
Includes links that validate facts.
Fox Host Calls Trump Out on Border Wall Lies
Trump has not built a single mile of new border fence after 30 months in office
Trump concedes border wall construction is replacement and 'pure renovation' - POLITICO
And on, and on, and on, ...


I (and others here who have also opined) have been crystal clear. It isn’t about bias, it’s about facts that can be corroborated from one source versus fiction created by gatewaypundit, and others like it that cannot stand up to even superficial scrutiny.
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My 'excuse' as you call it is called reasonable doubt. If forgetting, for example, is lying then Biden is the biggest liar on the planet.
 
US&THEM said:
When have I used Politifact as a source here? Gateway Pundit simply relays the rightwing fringes stuff. It is so bad.
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You believe PolitiFact to be a fraud?
 
cabse5 said:
My 'excuse' as you call it is called reasonable doubt. If forgetting, for example, is lying then Biden is the biggest liar on the planet.
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It is your excuse because even Trump, himself, hasn’t acknowledged his flip flop.

It’s one thing to say “I forgot that I left the seat up”, and quite another to say “I forgot that I supported the invasion of another country before I was against it”.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
It is your excuse because even Trump, himself, hasn’t acknowledged his flip flop.

It’s one thing to say “I forgot that I left the seat up”, and quite another to say “I forgot that I supported the invasion of another country before I was against it”.
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Has anyone in the WH media asked Trump if he forgot he was for the Iraq War in that interview in, I think, 2003?
 
cabse5 said:
Has anyone in the WH media asked Trump if he forgot he was for the Iraq War in that interview in, I think, 2003?
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Trump has been confronted about his flip flop repeatedly.

Confronted by Anderson Cooper in 2016, Trump tried feebly to defend his flip flop. A classic Trump move. :roll:
YouTube
 
Airyaman said:
No, I don't do conspiracies theories.
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Leftist weenies don't know who the whistleblower is and now that Schiftt was caught lying about the Obama spy in Trump's camp faithful democrats do not want anyone finding out who he is.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Trump has been confronted about his flip flop repeatedly.

Confronted by Anderson Cooper in 2016, Trump tried feebly to defend his flip flop. A classic Trump move. :roll:
YouTube
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In the YouTube, Trump said he didn't remember if he was for the Iraq War during the Stern interview. Remember, Trump reports saying "Yes, I guess." to the question if he was for the Iraq War in the Stern interview. Trump also said in the YouTube interview he wasn't a politician meaning Trump hadn't researched the topic? Trump also said in the YouTube his stance, if for the war, changed to against the war early on in the war and stayed that way.
What more do you and PolitiFact need? Trump forgot he was for the war during the Stern interview. Early on, evidently, Trump changed his mind concerning the validity of the Iraq War and kept that mind set.

When has forgetfulness of mind or the changing of one's mind been a lie? But to PolitiFact it's a lie...
 
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cabse5 said:
In the YouTube, Trump said he didn't remember if he was for the Iraq War during the Stern interview. Remember, Trump reports saying "Yes, I guess." to the question if he was for the Iraq War in the Stern interview. Trump also said in the YouTube interview he wasn't a politician meaning Trump hadn't researched the topic? Trump also said in the YouTube his stance, if for the war, changed to against the war early on in the war and stayed that way.
What more do you and PolitiFact need? Trump forgot he was for the war during the Stern interview. Early on, evidently, Trump changed his mind concerning the validity of the Iraq War and kept that mind set.

When has forgetfulness of mind or the changing of one's mind been a lie? But to PolitiFact it's a lie...
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This might come as a shock to you, but Trump says a lot of things that aren’t true.

The fact that Trump wasn’t a politician at the time of the Stern interview is entirely irrelevant. He didn’t need to have presidential level knowledge to form an opinion. In fact, one of the things Trump is very well known for is running off at the mouth about many subjects without having even an elementary understanding of them.

As for your absurd assertion that Trump “forgot” about his original stance regarding our invasion of Iraq, I reiterate my previous comment of how unlikely/implausible that would be. Even for a dotard like Trump.

Keep believing whatever fantasies about Trump you like. Just don’t expect anyone who lives in the real world to buy the nonsense your trying to peddle.
 
Re: Ciaramella May Be CIA Spy Planted in Trump WH Identified as “Charlie� in Strzok and Page Tex

US&THEM said:
All official FBI reports are done on a 302. Grand jury materials are testimony and evidence presented to the grand jury. Now explain to us why Trump is fighting to have not allow the Congress to see the grand jury material? If the Russia investigation was a “Witch Hunt” why wouldn’t the President want everyone to see the lies?
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because Trump is a lying crook and has been since the 80s.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
This might come as a shock to you, but Trump says a lot of things that aren’t true.

The fact that Trump wasn’t a politician at the time of the Stern interview is entirely irrelevant. He didn’t need to have presidential level knowledge to form an opinion. In fact, one of the things Trump is very well known for is running off at the mouth about many subjects without having even an elementary understanding of them.

As for your absurd assertion that Trump “forgot” about his original stance regarding our invasion of Iraq, I reiterate my previous comment of how unlikely/implausible that would be. Even for a dotard like Trump.

Keep believing whatever fantasies about Trump you like. Just don’t expect anyone who lives in the real world to buy the nonsense your trying to peddle.
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Yeah. Trump says a lot of things that aren't true according to PolitiFact. PolitiFact is a discredited source and you place your faith in a discredited source.:lamo
 
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How can a person get terminated for leaking in the white house and turn around and be hired by CIA and claim to be a whistle blower with inside information from the white house?
 
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