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Christian Abortion Hypocrisy [W: 439]

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Bucky said:
Year2late.

It is not lying in politics, it is part of the job.

The president's job has always been a salesman to the citizens of the United States people. It is part of the job description.

If here were a priest, things would be different however Trump is not lying.
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I call BS.

Of course it is lying in politics.,

I thought you indicated you were trying to clean up your rep? :lamo

Advocating lying? Really?;)
 
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calamity said:
Cheerleading by attacking all of America's institutions from the Cia to the Justice department. Meanwhile his entire family is taking every foreign ever dollar laid on the table. :roll:

You are defending a man with the morals of an alley cat and the temperament of a school shooter.
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Morals of an alleycat? More like inclinations of an alleycat.:lamo
 
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Bucky said:
For example, if you were in Sarah Huckabee Sanders shoes, and you are told what to say by Trump, you are in fact not lying but doing what you are told. That's part of her job and duty to the country, to report a positive image of the president's agenda.

Thank you,
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If you are told to lie to the POTUS that is an individual decision to lie and keep your job.

If there is a listed job requirement to lie....let us know.

If you are in a job and you are told to lie to your boss or client?

I would not...even if it meant losing my job.

Omitting information, perhaps. Outright lying, I would not.

Would you lie? ( I mean for work....we already know the answer on the boards)
 
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year2late said:
If you are told to lie to the POTUS that is an individual decision to lie and keep your job.

If there is a listed job requirement to lie....let us know.

If you are in a job and you are told to lie to your boss or client?

I would not...even if it meant losing my job.

Omitting information, perhaps. Outright lying, I would not.

Would you lie? ( I mean for work....we already know the answer on the boards)
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I think we are getting off-topic. You were the one comparing Obama to Jesus. Obama did nothing about the Russian interference. I strongly believed he instructed his AGs (Holder and Lynch) to commit perjury.

You can prop up Obama as a Christ-like figure, however, I do not recall Jesus ever forcing his disciples to outright lie!
 
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Bucky said:
I think we are getting off-topic. You were the one comparing Obama to Jesus. Obama did nothing about the Russian interference. I strongly believed he instructed his AGs (Holder and Lynch) to commit perjury.

You can prop up Obama as a Christ-like figure, however, I do not recall Jesus ever forcing his disciples to outright lie!
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Seriously....this is what I said.
No, the prior poster indicated people voted for Trump because....well....God.

And I said that Obama clearly acts in a way more akin to the teachings of Jesus (more so than Trump).
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How does acting in a way more akin to the teachings of Jesus mean holding someone up to be a Christ like figure.

At this point, I have to wonder if your posts are just baiting. Because otherwise they make no logical sense.
 
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year2late said:
Seriously....this is what I said.


How does acting in a way more akin to the teachings of Jesus mean holding someone up to be a Christ like figure.

At this point, I have to wonder if your posts are just baiting. Because otherwise they make no logical sense.
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When you call Trump a liar without any proof, I have a problem with that.
 
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Bucky said:
When you call Trump a liar without any proof, I have a problem with that.
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:lol: No proof? :roll:

Dude, you'd have more trouble finding one instance of him telling the truth than any one of us would finding 100 examples of his lies.
 
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Bucky said:
When you call Trump a liar without any proof, I have a problem with that.
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I provided one instance that is on the record, where he lied about being "Jimmy", his fake campaign manager.
 
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Bucky said:
When you call Trump a liar without any proof, I have a problem with that.
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Not only is Trump a factually known liar, but also one of the most dishonest business owners in America. He's been sued several thousand times. Shortly after taking office he paid off a class action suit for $25 million dollars to several thousand people who he swindled in his Trump University scheme. He also "purposely didn't" pay a lot of workers at his Atlantic City Trump Casino. He was sued by NYC for redlining blacks and Hispanics at this apartment buildings, which he blamed his building managers for wrongly excluding certain races. The list is long. Too long to waste collecting link data for you, because you don't care anyway. For Trump, it's always someone else who is guilty, never him. Well, Trump's House of Cards is collapsing. He wasn't smart enough to know that all of his personal and business indiscretions would eventually be exposed once he decided to run for president. I opine that he didn't really expect to win. That's why he constantly lied during the campaign.

By the way, and sadly, political lies are protected speech. Maybe one day "We the People" will demand that be changed to a legal offense.
 
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calamity said:
:lol: No proof? :roll:

Dude, you'd have more trouble finding one instance of him telling the truth than any one of us would finding 100 examples of his lies.
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The left does not understand Trump's humor and sarcasm.

For example, say someone stepped on my foot and then asked me, if that hurt me? I may say, no, it felt really good! This is sarcasm. It is not meant to be taken literally and interpreted to mean I have a foot pain fetish. The sarcasm is meant to make the other person think, but in a humorous way. It does not insult or yell at the other person. The average person of common sense would think, "I stepped on his foot that should hurt. However, he was nice enough not to yell at me. I will apologize. The left will take it literally and assume Trump has a foot pain fetish or they will see hypocrisy if the next time, Trump complains. The left is so full of anger, they have no sense of humor, but look for an excuse to be mean.

The joke that Trump made that put the Democrat over the top, due to the literal interpretation, was when he asked the Russians, jokingly, if they could find the lost Hillary 30,000 e-mails, for the FBI. It was sarcasm aimed at the Democrat and FBI collusion. The left has been acting like a cornered rat, since then. Sometimes sarcasm can be used to read the hearts of people. The left tipped their hand and Trump saw their cards.
 
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wellwisher said:
The left does not understand Trump's humor and sarcasm.

For example, say someone stepped on my foot and then asked me, if that hurt me? I may say, no, it felt really good! This is sarcasm. It is not meant to be taken literally and interpreted to mean I have a foot pain fetish. The sarcasm is meant to make the other person think, but in a humorous way. It does not insult or yell at the other person. The average person of common sense would think, "I stepped on his foot that should hurt. However, he was nice enough not to yell at me. I will apologize. The left will take it literally and assume Trump has a foot pain fetish or they will see hypocrisy if the next time, Trump complains. The left is so full of anger, they have no sense of humor, but look for an excuse to be mean.

The joke that Trump made that put the Democrat over the top, due to the literal interpretation, was when he asked the Russians, jokingly, if they could find the lost Hillary 30,000 e-mails, for the FBI. It was sarcasm aimed at the Democrat and FBI collusion. The left has been acting like a cornered rat, since then. Sometimes sarcasm can be used to read the hearts of people. The left tipped their hand and Trump saw their cards.
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Trump was totally serious when he made the comment ....... and Trump's tax return audit will last at least 15 years, or more .......


 
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This is interesting.
The modern religious right formed, practically overnight, as a rapid response to the Supreme Court's landmark ruling in Roe v. Wade. Or, at least, that's how the story goes. The reality, Randall Balmer, a Dartmouth professor writing for Politico Magazine, says, is actually a little less savory to 21st century Americans: The religious right, who liked to call themselves the "moral majority" at the time, actually organized around fighting to protect Christian schools from being desegregated.

The religious right formed around support for segregation, not against abortion.
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If true, then the Christian abortion hypocrisy is a fact. It means the abortion argument is simply cover for the racists. And, it was used to suck non-racist Evangelicals into the big tent of Southern conservatism.

I do not doubt that.
 
calamity said:
This is interesting.


If true, then the Christian abortion hypocrisy is a fact. It means the abortion argument is simply cover for the racists. And, it was used to suck non-racist Evangelicals into the big tent of Southern conservatism.

I do not doubt that.
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I am not sure it is a cover for racism at this time, but it certainly had its roots in the "Moral Majority" deflecting from their huge racist issues. Can you imagine a so called Christian University going out of their way to be segregated? Seriously

I think when Reagan paired up with the "Moral Majority" he never could have envisioned what would occur and how that relationship would blossom into a hypocritical decades long mess.

I still cannot fathom how a group can call themselves "Pro-Life" and not be advocating as strongly for the health of the born as they do for a fetus. It would be much less hypocritical to call yourself "anti-abortion". On the other hand pro-abortion does not fit the pro-choice side. Many (if not most) prochoicers are individually against abortion(such as myself). It is something they would never choose for themselves. But they are against others interfering in a person's health care decision.
 
year2late said:
I am not sure it is a cover for racism at this time, but it certainly had its roots in the "Moral Majority" deflecting from their huge racist issues. Can you imagine a so called Christian University going out of their way to be segregated? Seriously
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Hence their need to rally around the fabricated issue of abortion. It was the perfect storm: segregation, ERA, and the huge number of abortions after Roe v Wade. Hats off to the hypocrites for finding a way to tie them all together.

I think when Reagan paired up with the "Moral Majority" he never could have envisioned what would occur and how that relationship would blossom into a hypocritical decades long mess.
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He was the master of creating a big tent. Reagan tied anti-Soviet patriotism, abortion, god, self-reliance, unions, and welfare queens into one succinct message. Hats off on that effort, hypocritical as it was notwithstanding.

I still cannot fathom how a group can call themselves "Pro-Life" and not be advocating as strongly for the health of the born as they do for a fetus. It would be much less hypocritical to call yourself "anti-abortion". On the other hand pro-abortion does not fit the pro-choice side. Many (if not most) prochoicers are individually against abortion(such as myself). It is something they would never choose for themselves. But they are against others interfering in a person's health care decision.
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Correct
 
year2late said:
I am not sure it is a cover for racism at this time, but it certainly had its roots in the "Moral Majority" deflecting from their huge racist issues. Can you imagine a so called Christian University going out of their way to be segregated? Seriously

I think when Reagan paired up with the "Moral Majority" he never could have envisioned what would occur and how that relationship would blossom into a hypocritical decades long mess.

I still cannot fathom how a group can call themselves "Pro-Life" and not be advocating as strongly for the health of the born as they do for a fetus. It would be much less hypocritical to call yourself "anti-abortion". On the other hand pro-abortion does not fit the pro-choice side. Many (if not most) prochoicers are individually against abortion(such as myself). It is something they would never choose for themselves. But they are against others interfering in a person's health care decision.
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Funny, after our discussion with Vesper, I do remember "the moral majority."
 
Lursa said:
Funny, after our discussion with Vesper, I do remember "the moral majority."
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Yeah...Moral Majority and Jerry Falwell.

If there is a heaven....I have to wonder if he is still scratching at the door.
 
year2late said:
Yeah...Moral Majority and Jerry Falwell.

If there is a heaven....I have to wonder if he is still scratching at the door.
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What's really crazy is that our violent Right Wing Militia groups, which began to form in the early 80's and exploded in popularity during the 90's. used a three prong attack to recruit: God, Race and Abortion.

According to Clarkson, the “militant anti-abortion movement is driven by three different but overlapping theologies that motivate violence: Christian Reconstructionism, Christian Identity and apocalyptic Catholicism.” Salvi was motivated by apocalyptic Catholicism. It is likely that Roeder was influenced by either Christian Reconstructionism, Christian Identity or some syncretic hybrid of these theological views that have spread throughout the right-wing militant milieu.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/chip-berlet/anti-abortion-violence-th_b_210368.html
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year2late said:
I am not sure it is a cover for racism at this time, but it certainly had its roots in the "Moral Majority" deflecting from their huge racist issues. Can you imagine a so called Christian University going out of their way to be segregated? Seriously

I think when Reagan paired up with the "Moral Majority" he never could have envisioned what would occur and how that relationship would blossom into a hypocritical decades long mess.

I still cannot fathom how a group can call themselves "Pro-Life" and not be advocating as strongly for the health of the born as they do for a fetus. It would be much less hypocritical to call yourself "anti-abortion". On the other hand pro-abortion does not fit the pro-choice side. Many (if not most) prochoicers are individually against abortion(such as myself). It is something they would never choose for themselves. But they are against others interfering in a person's health care decision.
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While many call themselves "pro choice" they are actually against parental choice for men, and for parental choice for women. It would be better to call themselves "pro medical privacy," if such a decision only falls within the scope of medicine.

Granted, it would be even better if we did not discriminate against men and both genders had autonomy.

So the pot is calling the kettle black again, and it can't get clean?
 
Celebrity said:
While many call themselves "pro choice" they are actually against parental choice for men, and for parental choice for women. It would be better to call themselves "pro medical privacy," if such a decision only falls within the scope of medicine.

Granted, it would be even better if we did not discriminate against men and both genders had autonomy.

So the pot is calling the kettle black again, and it can't get clean?
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Men do know how babies are created right? And if they arent forced to have sex...then they had a choice.

If they are aware of this...and choose to risk pregnancy...well they know they have to accept the consequences, right? Same as women.
 
Lursa said:
Men do know how babies are created right? And if they arent forced to have sex...then they had a choice.

If they are aware of this...and choose to risk pregnancy...well they know they have to accept the consequences, right? Same as women.
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Women do know how babies are created, right? And if they aren't forced to have sex... then they had a choice.

If they are aware of this... and choose to risk pregnancy... well they know they have to accept the consequences, right? Same as men.

Left wing hypocrisy in a nutshell. You want autonomy for women and chains on men.
 
Celebrity said:
Women do know how babies are created, right? And if they aren't forced to have sex... then they had a choice.

If they are aware of this... and choose to risk pregnancy... well they know they have to accept the consequences, right? Same as men.

Left wing hypocrisy in a nutshell. You want autonomy for women and chains on men.
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Abortion helps both. We need more access to it.
 
calamity said:
Abortion helps both. We need more access to it.
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I agree. My post was satire.

The area where we need to expand abortion is an abortive option for men which allows them to cut ties with civility, instead of physically abusing pregnant women or running off to another country to avoid paying child support.

The Christian abortion hypocrisy is that they do not support children. But it's not just Christian hypocrisy. Pro choice people aren't advocating for a real solution to child support either. And that solution is publicly funded, not abuse of men on the basis that biology implies financial support.
 
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