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Christian Abortion Hypocrisy [W: 439]

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the USA is one of about 3 other countries that allowed 3rd trimester abortion. All over the world everyone agrees 3rd trimester is murder, and yet we still allow it.

Legal abortion is not murder, no matter the gestational age. It should not be banned at all, it is not for the govt to practice medicine.



6) Yes Jesus did preach to help others, but anyone even vaguely familiar with the bible understands that while that CAN apply to everyone it MUST apply to people within the church first. God's chosen people must stand together and help one another and form community to protect their shared values. If someone is outside the church, they're a lower priority. So again, HuffPo doesn't understand basic christian values.

I don't think the Salvation Army would agree with that. Heck, *I* don't agree with it. That is a very UNChristian attitude, IMO.
 
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What is the so-called "anti-life" policy of the Republican Party? The use of drones, nuclear weapons, gun violence, etc..., all that are mentioned are not really "anti-life."
The obviously liberal columnist had taken the Bible out of context, or she doesn't understand what she's talking about.


A nation isn't forbidden to go to war, or to wage war.....as long as it is a righteous war in the eyes of God.
A ruler/king in the Bible, was responsible for the security of his people!
Drones and weapons of mass destruction are but the current-day equivalent to catapaults, swords and arrows of ancient times.



What's this about ignoring gun violence? Hey......even Apostles carried weapons. In Jesus' time - it was the sword.

You are allowed to defend yourself, or those that are vulnerable. Death penalty is also allowed. The ruler or the judge has to be fair though, when meting out judgements and punishments.


Access to resources that ensures "quality of life," is an invention by the liberal-minded. You're now skirting towards materialism. The Bible doesn't teach to make everyone EQUALLY prosperous! You don't covet what others have. Period.

Besides, you don't rely on society - you rely on God!
That doesn't mean though that you don't have to do anything - you have to be willing to work.

It's not nations that were instructed. It's the people. We are individually instructed to help others.
It has to be voluntary - not compulsory!

The reactions to your posts in this thread made me think of some scripture from the book of John, Chapter 15... (verse 19) "If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." (verse 21) “But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me." ... It's a good reminder that Christians such as us are in this world (and have a purpose in this world to keep spreading the saving message so long as one more person might be saved), but we are not of this world. It's also a reminder that we aren't personally hated, but hated for what we stand for. The puzzle pieces are falling into place, and Christ will very soon (maybe even in the coming few years or so) call his Bride up to him in the clouds. His return for his Bride is definitely imminent, so we have very little time left to do God's will here on Earth.

God's blessings to you, brother in Christ.
 
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What about them? Obviously we're not talking about those that have valid reasons for being unable to work!

You didn't mention any exclusions in your rant.
What about those young ones - do they have parents that are supposed to be responsible for them?

What if the parents can't?


Don't we try to help orphans? Who removed orphanages in our society??

Ideally, orphans (those who have lost both parents) would be cared for by extended family or foster parents. I do not believe orphanages are best.


For those unemployed - don't we have welfare?

Isn't that what you are ranting against?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by WarmPotato View Post
3) Oh no someone acting moral superior! Its not like both sides do that and the left will call you "Anti Choice" and pretend you want to enslave women, if you want reasonable restrictions on abortion. AS IN, the USA is one of about 3 other countries that allowed 3rd trimester abortion. All over the world everyone agrees 3rd trimester is murder, and yet we still allow it.

Abortion is not murder...it is the ending of a pregnancy

In the 50 states of the US there about 100 abortions a year that take place after 24 weeks gestation.

They are the extreame cases where the fetus is dead or is dying and will not survive.
Or cases where the women’s life is at risk or where irreparable damage ( stroke, heart attack, paralysis from the neck down, kidney damage , liver damage etc. ) to a major bodily function would occur if the pregnancy continued.
 
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Everyone sins! Even Clinton and Obama aren't immune to sins! :doh


The Dems agenda of promoting and paving the way for a GOD-LESS society trumps all!


What exceeds this damnable act that aims to remove God from everything?
Does that columnist realize that, I wonder?

If you believe a government can remove God from everything, that speaks more to your beliefs than any "agenda"

If you truly believe, how does God get removed from anything?

Faith and belief is for the individual...it is not the governments job to promote your faith or belief,
 
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What about those who cannot work?
Of course there are situations in which one cannot work, but one can usually do SOMETHING still... One of my uncles got in a motorcycle accident when he was younger and ever since has been confined to a wheelchair, and he can't speak like you and I can (it takes A LOT of effort to barely understand what he is trying to say). I don't know him well enough to know many specifics about him, since I basically never see that side of my family, but even with all that has happened to him, I heard that he owns his own business and still works and contributes to society in the very limited ways that he is able to.

Another one of my uncles, who I see quite regularly (every 1-2 weeks), has no properly working kidneys and is on dialysis numerous days each week and has been in and out of the hospital on a fairly regular basis (has been near death many times, but still keeps surviving, although always tired and in pain and etc... He has owned his own heating/cooling business for quite a few years now (ever since his kidneys went bad). He still does the physical work that the business requires (whenever he isn't doing dialysis or having another near-death episode) along with his co-owner son and some other employees that work for them. He still finds ways to contribute to society and is definitely the hardest working person in our family.

In short, there is usually always SOMETHING that someone can do to still contribute to society, no matter what their health situation is... They get limited on what they can reasonably do, but they still have ways to contribute somehow...

What about those too young to work?
One might be too young to get a job (most work legally requires people to be 16+ years of age), but people younger than that can still find ways to work and contribute to society. For example, my 12 year old cousin is slowly learning to have a good work ethic because he helps out his dad with the heating/cooling business when he's not in school/etc., and he helps my grandma with taking care of her house and property like my uncle/his family/my dad/and myself all do (because the rest of our freeloading family never does jack **** to help out, even though they are more than perfectly capable, because they only care about themselves).

What about those who can work but cannot find a job, even though they have tried and tried and tried and tried?
This usually (NOT always, but usually) ends up being a case more along the lines of my mother, in which she has job opportunities that she could easily take, but she refuses to take them because she always finds some sort of "problem" or "excuse" as to why she can't/won't do that job (doesn't want to work nights/weekends, only wants to do certain types of labor, needs a certain environment to work in, insert any other excuse here) ... In short, she has all of these "filters" that she puts on her job opportunities which basically "filter" her out of every job available to her. In reality, she just doesn't WANT to do those jobs, so she pretty much solely mooches off of my dad instead of making an honest effort to help contribute in a financial manner.

I guess I was sort of in this position as well when I just got out of college with my associates degree in accounting... I was actively looking for full time jobs [I still had my part time library job from high school and college], and applied for many of those jobs, and landed a couple interviews, but never got any of the jobs. I could have easily taken plenty of other full time jobs that didn't relate to my degree in any way, but I was in a position where that part time job was fine until I found a full time job that was specifically in my field. It took me six months, but I finally did land an interview and got hired, and am now still at this same place 5.5 years later, putting my degree to good use.
 
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What is the so-called "anti-life" policy of the Republican Party? The use of drones, nuclear weapons, gun violence, etc..., all that are mentioned are not really "anti-life."
The obviously liberal columnist had taken the Bible out of context, or she doesn't understand what she's talking about.


A nation isn't forbidden to go to war, or to wage war.....as long as it is a righteous war in the eyes of God.
A ruler/king in the Bible, was responsible for the security of his people!
Drones and weapons of mass destruction are but the current-day equivalent to catapaults, swords and arrows of ancient times.



What's this about ignoring gun violence? Hey......even Apostles carried weapons. In Jesus' time - it was the sword.

You are allowed to defend yourself, or those that are vulnerable. Death penalty is also allowed. The ruler or the judge has to be fair though, when meting out judgements and punishments.


Access to resources that ensures "quality of life," is an invention by the liberal-minded. You're now skirting towards materialism. The Bible doesn't teach to make everyone EQUALLY prosperous! You don't covet what others have. Period.

Besides, you don't rely on society - you rely on God!
That doesn't mean though that you don't have to do anything - you have to be willing to work.

It's not nations that were instructed. It's the people. We are individually instructed to help others.
It has to be voluntary - not compulsory!





Ecclesiastes 3

A Time for Everything

3 There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under the heavens:

2
a time to be born and a time to die,
a time to plant and a time to uproot,

3
a time to kill and a time to heal,
a time to tear down and a time to build,

4
a time to weep and a time to laugh,
a time to mourn and a time to dance,

5
a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,
a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing,

6
a time to search and a time to give up,
a time to keep and a time to throw away,

7
a time to tear and a time to mend,
a time to be silent and a time to speak,

8
a time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace.

Scriptures reflect your personal beliefs. You can be a living example “of your personal religious beliefs” all that you want as long as you don’t infringe on your fellow citizens/beings the right to do the same.

You can pray to God of your understanding 24/7/365 anytime and place.

We must have a government that is built around unbiased moral reasoning and conducted in a secular manner in order to protect your rights to adopt and practice your personal religious tenets. But that also means each individual has the same rights as you. That’s why it’s important for you to remember that being a living example and praying to the God of your understanding without infringing on others to do the same - “should never be controlled by governments”.
 
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Scriptures reflect your personal beliefs. You can be a living example “of your personal religious beliefs” all that you want as long as you don’t infringe on your fellow citizens/beings the right to do the same.

You can pray to God of your understanding 24/7/365 anytime and place.

We must have a government that is built around unbiased moral reasoning and conducted in a secular manner in order to protect your rights to adopt and practice your personal religious tenets. But that also means each individual has the same rights as you. That’s why it’s important for you to remember that being a living example and praying to the God of your understanding without infringing on others to do the same - “should never be controlled by governments”.
Theocracy isn’t anywhere I want to be!
 
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What is the so-called "anti-life" policy of the Republican Party? The use of drones, nuclear weapons, gun violence, etc..., all that are mentioned are not really "anti-life."

The obviously liberal columnist had taken the Bible out of context, or she doesn't understand what she's talking about.

A nation isn't forbidden to go to war, or to wage war.....as long as it is a righteous war in the eyes of God.

A ruler/king in the Bible, was responsible for the security of his people!

Drones and weapons of mass destruction are but the current-day equivalent to catapaults, swords and arrows of ancient times.

What's this about ignoring gun violence? Hey......even Apostles carried weapons. In Jesus' time - it was the sword.

You are allowed to defend yourself, or those that are vulnerable. Death penalty is also allowed. The ruler or the judge has to be fair though, when meting out judgements and punishments.

Access to resources that ensures "quality of life," is an invention by the liberal-minded. You're now skirting towards materialism. The Bible doesn't teach to make everyone EQUALLY prosperous! You don't covet what others have. Period.

Besides, you don't rely on society - you rely on God!

That doesn't mean though that you don't have to do anything - you have to be willing to work.

It's not nations that were instructed. It's the people. We are individually instructed to help others.

It has to be voluntary - not compulsory!

You’re once again trying to infringe in other individual beliefs with your own.

Liberalism nor Conservatism is relevant in relationship to religious tenets. Or abortion for that matter. Women of every religion and political philosophy have abortions “on demand”,

And just a little reminder: You are a flesh, bone, and blood species on this planet. If there is a God or gods, it would be 100% impossible for you to know what God thinks is righteous acts by humans, God’s plan for any species on the planet, or when, how, and why God intervenes in earthly events or actions related to any species on the planet.

Your religious beliefs mixed with your political philosophy has apparently given you a false sense of special knowledge and superiority.
 
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The real hypocrisy belongs to the leftists who think they are sinless.....and therefore, they imagine they can point their judgemental fingers at others!

Are you saying that liberals all believe they are perfect?

Because that is a delusional statement and affects one's credibility.
 
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That was pathetic. Not just the usual TDS level of pathetic we've all come to expect, but a whole new level of pathetic. Try to conflate the killing of innocent, unborn children to taking steps to stop oppressive gov'ts from killing innocent is one of the absolutely most pathetic things I've ever heard spewed forth.
Do you have anything on-topic to add? If not...

Well, you're free to start your own abortion thread. There's no need to pollute mine.
 
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Theocracy isn’t anywhere I want to be!

Agreed. I'm a practicing Christian and I find the idea of a theocracy, even a Christian one, terrifying.

The Lord gave us free will and it's up to us to follow Him. It would be outrageously arrogant for any govt or organization to use force (by law or coercion) to take away that free will that God granted. God left the choice up to us....not 'man.'
 
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Everyone sins! Even Clinton and Obama aren't immune to sins! :doh


The Dems agenda of promoting and paving the way for a GOD-LESS society trumps all!


What exceeds this damnable act that aims to remove God from everything?
Does that columnist realize that, I wonder?
What on earth are you babbling on about--godless? Wrong forum. This is about being anti-abortion vs truly being pro-life. It's not about your wants and wishes about a god-world.
 
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What on earth are you babbling on about--godless? Wrong forum. This is about being anti-abortion vs truly being pro-life. It's not about your wants and wishes about a god-world.

And browbeating your God into another is not the best way to show the people the "light".

If you want people to see the good of God and faith, lead by example. On that note....many on the pro-life side seem like one hit wonders - all abortion -all the time. Make the government call it illegal. Murder. But when it comes to helping the born - why should the government be involved let alone take my money to help it happen?
 
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3) Oh no someone acting moral superior!
NO SUCH THING. Simply because morals are provably totally Arbitrary, and therefore are, Objectively speaking, worthless. Just go to a bunch of different cultures, and ask if it is moral or immoral to drink alcohol, or to eat pork, or for a woman's head to be uncovered, and see for yourself the worthless Arbitrariness of "morals". And so I personally prefer "ethics" instead. At least it has a chance of being Objectively valid!

Its not like both sides do that
BUT ONLY ONE SIDE HAS OBJECTIVE VALIDITY, supported by Measurable Fact. The other side only has Stupid Lies, Stupid Hypocrisy, Stupid Prejudice, and a few --only a few-- cherry-picked data-items.

and the left will call you "Anti Choice" and pretend you want to enslave women,
FACTS ARE FACTS. Abortion opponents provably are against choice, and provably are promoting slavery of pregnant women.

if you want reasonable restrictions on abortion.
SINCE WHEN IS IT "REASONABLE" for a mere animal committing horrid assaults to be favored over its victim, an actual person?

AS IN, the USA is one of about 3 other countries that allowed 3rd trimester abortion.
GOOD FOR US. The Facts are on our side, not Stupid Lies and Stupid Hypocrisy and Stupid Prejudice!

All over the world everyone agrees 3rd trimester is murder, and yet we still allow it.
BECAUSE "THEY" ARE PROVABLY WRONG. Duuuuhhhh!!! Why don't you claim that if everyone else decides it is OK to jump off a cliff, you should do it, too?

4) There's a difference between killing a baby, and attacking terrorists.
NOT THE WAY YOU THINK. A "baby" is a born human, just like a terrorist. But the baby acts innocently, while the terrorist is guilty of horrid assault (possibly not as numerous and varied as the horrid assaults committed by equally-guilty unborn humans, though!).

6) Yes Jesus did preach to help others, but anyone even vaguely familiar with the bible understands that while that CAN apply to everyone it MUST apply to people within the church first. God's chosen people must stand together and help one another and form community to protect their shared values.
THERE IS NO "VALUE" IN SLAVERY. While I understand that "conservatives" might disagree, since they see themselves as benefiting from the enslavement of others, there is nothing preventing a system that allows slavery to enslave the conservatives, too. Perhaps all conservatives should be deliberately/temporarily enslaved, just so they can learn all about the horrors they want to inflict on others (by, say, opposing abortion).

7) And of course, everyone is anti-life unless the government confiscates people's wealth and funnels it all into planned parenthood.
AH, ANOTHER STUPIDLY IGNORANT TAXPAYER. Check Your Constitution! It clearly starts out with "We The People" and clearly includes granting Congress the power to tax, and clearly is signed by Representatives of the People. In the USA, there is no need for "confiscation" of people's wealth, since The People have chosen to allow themselves to be taxed!

FURTHERMORE, the way that taxes get spent by Congress is through compromise, not "one side gets whatever it wants and the other side gets nothing". There are plenty of taxpayers wanting to help others via such things as supporting Planned Parenthood. So long as there are things you want the government to pay for, you cannot prove that one single dollar taxed from you goes to pay for something you don't want. Simply because it is impossible for your personal taxes to completely pay for the things you do want!
 
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Wow you must honestly think you actually have made a single valid point huh? In fact, your response is mostly nonsense and attacks and above all else - EMOTIONAL. I can't much respect your opinion when you're being so emotional madame.
 
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Wow you must honestly think you actually have made a single valid point huh? In fact, your response is mostly nonsense and attacks and above all else - EMOTIONAL. I can't much respect your opinion when you're being so emotional madame.

Who are you responding to? There is a quote function.
 
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Oh look! A Bible quote.

Do you have one condemning abortion, or just quotes justifying war?

Holy ****... On behalf of non-crazy Christians, I apologize for that one...

Good provocation with this thread, by the way, Cal... I kind of like the Lutheran approach to this...do everything possible to help a woman keep the child, show her the alternatives, but ultimately support her whatever her decision is, and make her know that she has a home at the church. I don't think that's unreasonable... There is no judging, no guilt trips, just "are you sure?"
 
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Who are you responding to? There is a quote function.

I think that's what you call widening the net, in the trolling world. lol ... Mr. 12 Posts here want to bust on the scene as a spicy one! ;)
 
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I think that's what you call widening the net, in the trolling world. lol ... Mr. 12 Posts here want to bust on the scene as a spicy one! ;)

LOL then he's probably in the wrong forum. However I'm always interested in new angles and perspectives on this issue. Calamity brought in something interesting, perhaps Warm Potato can add something new to the discussion.

Otherwise I'll just cut and paste most of my responses like I usually do ;)
 
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Holy ****... On behalf of non-crazy Christians, I apologize for that one...

Good provocation with this thread, by the way, Cal... I kind of like the Lutheran approach to this...do everything possible to help a woman keep the child, show her the alternatives, but ultimately support her whatever her decision is, and make her know that she has a home at the church. I don't think that's unreasonable... There is no judging, no guilt trips, just "are you sure?"

Interesting. I was raised Lutheran. That may explain my rather moderate views on people's beliefs.
 
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Everyone sins! Even Clinton and Obama aren't immune to sins! :doh


The Dems agenda of promoting and paving the way for a GOD-LESS society trumps all!


What exceeds this damnable act that aims to remove God from everything?
Does that columnist realize that, I wonder?

The religious right promotes Godlessness by replacing Jesus with Mammon, so many of them worship wealth and power, not Jesus:

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/reviews/the-gospel-of-self/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ght-get-his-65-million-private-jet-after-all/

Texas pastor criticised for not opening mega church tells Harvey survivors not to have a ?poor old me? mentality

The religious right treats kids like comic books, they are only worth anything if they are in their original warping. As soon as the children are out of the womb, the religious right doesn't care about them:

Trump Wants Dramatic Cuts to Children's Programs to Pay for Corporate Tax Breaks

The GOP Has Engineered a Children?s Health-Care Crisis

The religious right is anti abortion because that is a position that asks nothing of them, it only demands stuff from other people, I think the religious right is fine with ignoring the tenants of their faith, if it gets in the way of acquiring more wealth and power.
 
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The religious right is anti abortion because that is a position that asks nothing of them, it only demands stuff from other people, I think the religious right is fine with ignoring the tenants of their faith, if it gets in the way of acquiring more wealth and power.

Thank you.

I have often written that it's easy to self-righteously to tell other people what to do but of course, they wont be paying those consequences...will they?
 
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Interesting. I was raised Lutheran. That may explain my rather moderate views on people's beliefs.

Missouri Synod is still pretty old school, but the ELCIC and whatever the American counterpart is (I forget...ELCIA maybe) are very progressive. Which is to say, strangely enough, more "fundamentalist", given how the Bible is written. All this hate crap is not what it's about, and neither is it about judging...that's made pretty clear.
 
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Pro-life isn't the only reason why many Christians support Trump.
You are right, they do so because they are morally bankrupt hypocrites.

Obama/Clinton are promoting and paving the way for a Godless society (secularism).
As it should be, as it was intended by the founders. Religious zealots need to stay the hell out of other people's lives and live their own as they see fit.

That in itself, is reason enough to support Trump.
Only for the degenerates that lack both the integrity and the intellect to recognize what Trump is and stands for.
 
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