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Children Going Back To School This Fall

KevinKohler said:
Neither is staying in our caves for another year.

Somehow, all the retail workers are managing to stay employed, in a very tactile contact business, without dying in droves.

What makes everyone else different?
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No one is proposing your strawman. We will be moving forward with hybrid solutions, if the current new mitigation works. It may not work. Those areas will have to mitigate even farther. But for most, this will involve masks and proper social distancing. Something Trump and his sycophant governors eschewed. Well, they didn't beat science with politics did they? And they never will.

If they don't get a handle on the science, it will affect the politics to the point of the Presidency & the Senate going away for them. As goes the pandemic, so goes the economy, and so goes the election. The Southern cities are shutting back down, Atlanta just went on full lockdown. This is not how you re-open the economy, by closing down.
 
Taylor said:
Can you post the article making such a claim? The CDC director just said 30 minutes ago that there is no evidence that children are driving transmission, much less "1/2 of the existing cases".
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Actually, children test positive for Clvid 19, there is no reason to believe they do not pass it on to others.

WTXL) — As the Florida Department of Education mandates that public K-12 schools must open in August, thousands of children in Florida are continuing to test positive for COVID-19.

According to the Florida Department of Health's latest data, more than 11,000 children under 18 have tested positive for coronavirus since the pandemic began in March.
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More than 11,000 children test positive for coronavirus in Florida
 
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minnie616 said:
Actually, children test positive for Clvid 19, there is no reason to believe they do not pass it on to others.
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That's not what I said. Children can and do spread the virus, but at nowhere near the rate of adults. The are not "super spreaders" as they are with cold and flu viruses.
 
Classes won't be held in many places. Mark my words; The Teachers Union will go on strike against unsafe working conditions.
 
Currently, my school district is offering parents the choice of in-school or virtual schooling. My preference is for in-school unless the virtual school offers the same level of teaching.

Of course, that could all change tomorrow.
 
Logician Man said:
One simple question: Would you risk sending your child or grandchild going back to public schools this fall with the current numbers being reported, and the risk of becoming infected/carriers Yes or No? Why, or why not?
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I think the answer to that is almost entirely dependent on the numbers where someone lives. I would definitely send my child back to school. We've had less than half a dozen cases total and all but two have recovered--no hospitalizations or deaths--in a county larger than Rhode Island. That could change, but for now, of course I'd send my child back to school.

In other areas of the country -- and even our own state -- I'd have to think harder about that. While children aren't at much risk of serious illness from Covid, they can certainly spread it to their families etc. That is why I think the President is wrong trying to push that ALL schools EVERYWHERE reopen in the fall. In some areas with a lot of community spread already, it could be a disaster. Those areas might need to wait it out. Even NYC eventually got their numbers under control, and so will everyone else, but it is going to take time.
 
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Logician Man said:
One simple question: Would you risk sending your child or grandchild going back to public schools this fall with the current numbers being reported, and the risk of becoming infected/carriers Yes or No? Why, or why not?
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I don't have kids in school, but my sister does and she is very worried about it. I can understand. I don't want my nieces back in school right now. Children are not the best when it come to washing hands, socially distancing, or just not spreading germs. Despite what the news says, many kids do get sick from COVID, and they are spread it to their family.

This is a very bad idea. I don't think any parent wants to risk their children!
 
d0gbreath said:
Classes won't be held in many places. Mark my words; The Teachers Union will go on strike against unsafe working conditions.
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Every teacher I know is praying to go back to school. They did not reach many of their children online this past spring. They were not prepared for digital classes and even the summer is not enough to convert to a digital platform that has the level of quality that experiential and hands on learning can create. Digital learning also requires consistent cooperation and effort by parents, and many of them are dropping the ball.

Digital options are fine for electives like foreign language, but NOT for academics, and the younger the child, the more that applies.
 
Chomsky said:
No one is proposing your strawman. We will be moving forward with hybrid solutions, if the current new mitigation works. It may not work. Those areas will have to mitigate even farther. But for most, this will involve masks and proper social distancing. Something Trump and his sycophant governors eschewed. Well, they didn't beat science with politics did they? And they never will.

If they don't get a handle on the science, it will affect the politics to the point of the Presidency & the Senate going away for them. As goes the pandemic, so goes the economy, and so goes the election. The Southern cities are shutting back down, Atlanta just went on full lockdown. This is not how you re-open the economy, by closing down.
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It doesn't sound as if the President is going to say "I told you so" to those states that didn't follow his Covid reopening guidelines. But I wonder if he's thinking it?
 
MaryP said:
Every teacher I know is praying to go back to school. They did not reach many of their children online this past spring. They were not prepared for digital classes and even the summer is not enough to convert to a digital platform that has the level of quality that experiential and hands on learning can create. Digital learning also requires consistent cooperation and effort by parents, and many of them are dropping the ball.

Digital options are fine for electives like foreign language, but NOT for academics, and the younger the child, the more that applies.
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If the students didn't return to school until the fall of 2021, they would simply be a year older when they graduate. Opening the schools this fall is only to help the economy by giving two working parents free daycare. Besides, they'll have to close the schools again inside of two months. But, look for the strikers.
 
d0gbreath said:
If the students didn't return to school until the fall of 2021, they would simply be a year older when they graduate.
Opening the schools this fall is only to help the economy by giving two working parents free daycare. Besides, they'll have to close the schools again inside of two months. But, look for the strikers.
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If the students didn't return to school until the fall of 2021, they would simply be a year older when they graduate.
Very true, and not the end of the world. Good point. However, schools will have to continue to serve students digitally in order to receive funding, and the problem with that is....well, I've already said what the problem is. Teachers are not going to agree to then repeat the same subject matter the following year when they return to school. Half of the students will have battled through and learned the core material already. Half will not.

Opening the schools this fall is only to help the economy by giving two working parents free daycare.
That may be why the President is pushing this, but it is not why educators and others interested in children's social/emotional well being are wishing for school to resume.

they'll have to close the schools again inside of two months.
Perhaps. I have been thinking about how this would play out--trying to monitor possible "symptoms" that kids exhibit on a regular basis without Covid. Like a runny nose (colds and allergies, strep throat and sinus trouble won't be going away just because Covid is here). A slight fever due to a virus unrelated to Covid. Now they're even adding diarrhea to the symptom list. Will every kid have to be sent home who has the sniffles? How do they get tested and how long will take to get back the results? Will everyone in that child's classroom have to be sent home in quarantine until the results are back? Will they have to be tested, too? You know if it is left to the parents to get their child tested, that not all will. Those kids won't be coming back. It would be an absolute frickin mess. When they plan their precautionary measures, they need to take into account how this will play out in real life and have staying open be a guiding principle.

You know, when my son was young, every time he left the house on his bike I worried, told him to be careful, and then had to let it go and hope for the best. He knew safety rules. If he blew them off (which was never a surprise) or some driver was high or drunk or distracted, well.... but life is a risk, and you can't keep them in a bubble.

Like I said though, this is all dependent on what the Covid situation is in a particular school district.
 
Taylor said:
Installed plexiglass shields, required employees to wear ppe, hired additional people to maintain new cleaning and sanitation standards, altered protocols, reconfigured/eliminated self-serve bars, mandated temperature checks... etc. etc.
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That is not a business model, those are safety precautions. Try again?
 
OrphanSlug said:
So which is it? Open to save those who are depressed or close it to save those at harms way for coronavirus?
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That's sort of a loaded question right there.

But still, I'd start opening the country up some more. We have safety measures in place and even if they don't completely work, it's not like strictly locking everyone down has done that much better.

People need to live their lives, to make a living and to support their families. People are still going to get sick whether we do this, or not. So I'm completely fine with dialing back restrictions and letting people live their lives.
 
minnie616 said:
Teachers still have to teach to be paid.

Either in class Instruction or remote instruction.
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Teachers still have to teach to be paid.
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Not if a school district budget has already passed(July 1st)

Yes, it's amazing what you can do on the tax payers dime
 
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Logician Man said:
One simple question: Would you risk sending your child or grandchild going back to public schools this fall with the current numbers being reported, and the risk of becoming infected/carriers Yes or No? Why, or why not?
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The actual science says that children are both low risk of infection and low risk of transmission.

I think the bigger question is why people only believe science when the message is scary?
 
Luther said:
And so why did not the overweight and diabetic Father isolate him own self?
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I thought he was isolated and stayed home.

As I understand it the son was part of his immediate household.
 
jmotivator said:
The actual science says that children are both low risk of infection and low risk of transmission.

I think the bigger question is why people only believe science when the message is scary?
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Actually , the newest report is that children And teens ages 10 - 19 spread Covid at the same rate as adults.

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In the heated debate over reopening schools, one burning question has been whether and how efficiently children can spread the virus to others.


A large new study from South Korea offers an answer: Children younger than age 10 transmit to others much less often than adults do, but the risk is not zero.

However those between the ages of 10 and 19 can spread the virus at least as well as adults do.
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Older children spread coronavirus just as much as adults, study finds
 
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