Childlike Sex Dolls

[truthatallcost]

It's like giving teen girls dildos with the idea that it will prevent them from having sex.

That explains the Salvation Army Christmas Dildo Drive now, :lamo

 

[calamity]

The idea that this doll has the potential to eliminate predatory behavior by sickos is something I'm not buying.

It would be like giving toy needles to heroin addicts and telling them to pretend to shoot up. It's only going to awaken the urge for the real thing.

I tend to agree with you on that.

 

[calamity]

Mental development. 16 year olds are not as mentally developed as an 18 year old.


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And, 18 year olds are not as mentally developed as a 21 year old. Should we raise the age of consent to 30 since most 21 year olds today live in mom's basement?

 

[Henrin]

And, 18 year olds are not as mentally developed as a 21 year old. Should we raise the age of consent to 30 since most 21 year olds today live in mom's basement?

If you raise it to 26 it will be in line with how long kids can stay on their parents plan.

 

[calamity]

If you raise it to 26 it will be in line with how long kids can stay on their parents plan.

:lol: I know, I have several friends with 20-25 year old kids still living at home. A few of them even have kids of their own.

 

[blackjack50]

And, 18 year olds are not as mentally developed as a 21 year old. Should we raise the age of consent to 30 since most 21 year olds today live in mom's basement?

No. An 18 year old has enough mental development to be treated as an adult. And whilst the brain is still developing, it is not the same types of development. And really it is in the final stages.

Cognitive Development, Ages 15 to 18 Years-Topic Overview

There is a starting point. This is basic educational psychology. Anyone who has worked with teens can tell you that they are not mentally equipped to handle the things that come with being 18 and legally being an adult.

Further, if your argument is that more people are becoming less mature, then shouldn't the argument be that we push age of adulthood back? We shouldn't. But that is because you have the capacity for personal responsibility at 18-25 and understanding long term consequences. That developed between 16-18.




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[blackjack50]

If you raise it to 26 it will be in line with how long kids can stay on their parents plan.

That line makes more sense financially given what just happened to the nation.


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[calamity]

No. An 18 year old has enough mental development to be treated as an adult. And whilst the brain is still developing, it is not the same types of development. And really it is in the final stages.

Cognitive Development, Ages 15 to 18 Years-Topic Overview

There is a starting point. This is basic educational psychology. Anyone who has worked with teens can tell you that they are not mentally equipped to handle the things that come with being 18 and legally being an adult.

Further, if your argument is that more people are becoming less mature, then shouldn't the argument be that we push age of adulthood back? We shouldn't. But that is because you have the capacity for personal responsibility at 18-25 and understanding long term consequences. That developed between 16-18.




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We put them in jail sooner now than ever before, which is fine by me. So, I'd be a hypocrite if I said we should not allow them to consent to sex earlier as well.

As for kids living at home until they are 30---I blame the parents.

 

[blackjack50]

We put them in jail sooner now than ever before, which is fine by me. So, I'd be a hypocrite if I said we should not allow them to consent to sex earlier as well.

As for kids living at home until they are 30---I blame the parents.

I don't. I blame the individual who is a lazy sack of **** with no excuses.

But. Going to prison depends upon the context of the crime. Age of consent should remain 18. One does not think the same at the age of 16 as one does at 18


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[calamity]

I don't. I blame the individual who is a lazy sack of **** with no excuses.

But. Going to prison depends upon the context of the crime. Age of consent should remain 18. One does not think the same at the age of 16 as one does at 18


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Who enables lazy kids to live at home until age-30?

 

[Henrin]

Who enables lazy kids to live at home until age-30?

It's not that easy. If the kid shows zero ability to care about life at all then the fear is that they will still do not much at all when you kick them out.

 

[calamity]

It's not that easy. If the kid shows zero ability to care about life at all then the fear is that they will still do not much at all when you kick them out.

IMO, it begins a lot earlier in life then when you finally wake up to realize you have an under-employed coach potato living in your basement---probably 20 years earlier.

If you raise them right, they will have their act together by about 22 or 23 and move on in life. If you raised them wrong, they will live at home until about age-30.

Edit: A few exceptions exist. Having an adult kid in his/her mid-twenties living at home while he or she is attending law or medical school isn't bad. Or, maybe, having one who was on his or her own for a while but then moved back home to pursue an education or specific job skill is probably OK.

 

[chromium]

What??????

The problem with peodphillia is not that it is revulsive to the rest of us but that the children get serrously harmed!!!

If nobody gets harmed in this then good luck to them. Ugh!!! If it causes them to develop into real harmful preditors then stop it. Ask the psychiatrists?

That might be your way of seeing it, but you certainly can't speak for others. Considering there was never a victim in consensual homosexuality, or in weed use, yet it was illegal in every state not long ago, you can't convince me that the public reaction to pedophilia doesn't also stem from revulsion. That there's a victim is more coincidental when it comes to our laws and judgments

 

[chromium]

I don't. I blame the individual who is a lazy sack of **** with no excuses.

But. Going to prison depends upon the context of the crime. Age of consent should remain 18. One does not think the same at the age of 16 as one does at 18


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"Adulthood" is just some arbitrary number derived from parents who don't want their kid around any more, and kids who don't want to live at home any more

Really, the sex drive starts around 12-13. Age of consent should be determined by 4 factors: that there is a drive and desire (consent), knowledge of safety (including condom use), reality (average age for losing virginity is now like 15), and avoiding manipulative situations (age and status proximity)

There are plenty examples of highly successful people who lost their virginity at 13. If they use condoms and they're peers, sex isn't some deadly albatross. There are perfectly legal activities that are more dangerous, like football, that we allow at even earlier age. There are some that are even more common and dangerous, like drinking, that happen openly. IMO the problem is we often place our entire self worth on it, which both encourages sex before we're ready, and encourages laws that *create* victims where there is none (consensual underage sex)

If there is doubt, an individual assessment of the kid's maturity is more appropriate than a blanket law that treats everyone the same, when they are not

 

[chromium]

No. An 18 year old has enough mental development to be treated as an adult. And whilst the brain is still developing, it is not the same types of development. And really it is in the final stages.

Cognitive Development, Ages 15 to 18 Years-Topic Overview

There is a starting point. This is basic educational psychology. Anyone who has worked with teens can tell you that they are not mentally equipped to handle the things that come with being 18 and legally being an adult.

Further, if your argument is that more people are becoming less mature, then shouldn't the argument be that we push age of adulthood back? We shouldn't. But that is because you have the capacity for personal responsibility at 18-25 and understanding long term consequences. That developed between 16-18.




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They might not be mentally equipped to handle finances, but sex? Yes absolutely. Otherwise you wouldn't have 15 as the average age, and tell me why we have sex drive at 12-13 if we can't handle it? This 'age of consent' is a modern invention. Kids should be protected from *abuse* but a relationship that naturally explores their bodies by *punishing* them only creates total disrespect for the law

 

[chromium]

Because a 16 year old is a minor, and is not mentally capable of making intelligent decisions. There is a huge mental difference between 16 and 18.


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I guess you must oppose ever subjecting a 16 year old to adult criminal charges then. At 16 i was taking classes with people twice my age and driving a deadly vehicle to get there

It seems to me that 16 year olds get a raw deal indeed. They are treated by the law as if they're 8 when it comes to preventing things they naturally *want* to do, like sex, while held as responsible as 18 year old for the mistakes they make

 

[maquiscat]

It's only going to awaken the urge for the real thing.

Show your evidence of this assertion.

 

[Henrin]

IMO, it begins a lot earlier in life then when you finally wake up to realize you have an under-employed coach potato living in your basement---probably 20 years earlier.

If you raise them right, they will have their act together by about 22 or 23 and move on in life. If you raised them wrong, they will live at home until about age-30.

Edit: A few exceptions exist. Having an adult kid in his/her mid-twenties living at home while he or she is attending law or medical school isn't bad. Or, maybe, having one who was on his or her own for a while but then moved back home to pursue an education or specific job skill is probably OK.

Again, it's not that simple. You take someone that has problems with serious depression mixed together with self conscious issues and shyness caused by a childhood filled of struggles and they will reach a point where they are frozen in place. It's not as simple as this kid here is lazy and won't work, but many times a mix of things that built up through their life that causes them to get stuck. Parents gets lost on what to do with these kind of situations and many times they simply don't have that many choices.

 

[Henrin]

"Adulthood" is just some arbitrary number derived from parents who don't want their kid around any more, and kids who don't want to live at home any more

Really, the sex drive starts around 12-13. Age of consent should be determined by 4 factors: that there is a drive and desire (consent), knowledge of safety (including condom use), reality (average age for losing virginity is now like 15), and avoiding manipulative situations (age and status proximity)

There are plenty examples of highly successful people who lost their virginity at 13. If they use condoms and they're peers, sex isn't some deadly albatross. There are perfectly legal activities that are more dangerous, like football, that we allow at even earlier age. There are some that are even more common and dangerous, like drinking, that happen openly. IMO the problem is we often place our entire self worth on it, which both encourages sex before we're ready, and encourages laws that *create* victims where there is none (consensual underage sex)

If there is doubt, an individual assessment of the kid's maturity is more appropriate than a blanket law that treats everyone the same, when they are not

I believe the average is about seventeen and a half.

 

[truthatallcost]

Show your evidence of this assertion.

I'll just dip into my trusty collection of research articles written about pedophiles getting it on with rubber kid dolls. Oh yeah, no ones conducting a study on that mess.

 

[calamity]

Again, it's not that simple. You take someone that has problems with serious depression mixed together with self conscious issues and shyness caused by a childhood filled of struggles and they will reach a point where they are frozen in place. It's not as simple as this kid here is lazy and won't work, but many times a mix of things that built up through their life that causes them to get stuck. Parents gets lost on what to do with these kind of situations and many times they simply don't have that many choices.

I, of course, agree that if the child has emotional problems or other health issues, development can be delayed. And, a parent with resources most def should help the kid out. Glad I am not one faced with that situation, either as the kid or the parent.

 

[DA60]

:inandout:

 

[Ikari]

A doll can't be a victim. It isn't alive. So doing something to it isn't illegal. They have child porn art (rather than photos with actual victims) too. It is disturbing. Idk if it SHOULD be illegal based on our legal structure, but I know that it is wrong morally and ethically. This topic is a mind bender for sure.


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Yeah, it's hard to really excuse government intervention on this when there are no actual victims involved. If it's all made up or dolls and whatever, it's not a person. Now if it could be demonstrated that those that would use these dolls would go on to commit sexual crimes against children, I think we could have a better discussion on whether it should be legal or not. But if there's no evidence of that, if in fact it could end up being a "release" such that they don't go on to assault others, then we may have to leave it as legal.

As disturbing and creepy as it is, without an actual victim it becomes much more difficult to excuse government force.

 

[calamity]

Yeah, it's hard to really excuse government intervention on this when there are no actual victims involved. If it's all made up or dolls and whatever, it's not a person. Now if it could be demonstrated that those that would use these dolls would go on to commit sexual crimes against children, I think we could have a better discussion on whether it should be legal or not. But if there's no evidence of that, if in fact it could end up being a "release" such that they don't go on to assault others, then we may have to leave it as legal.

As disturbing and creepy as it is, without an actual victim it becomes much more difficult to excuse government force.

There are a few actions which do actually lead to government intervention before the crime is actually committed. Writing threatening letters to the president would be one. Talking about bombs while sitting in a seat on an airplane would too.

So, if we preempt child rapists by going after those men and women who pursue art depicting child sex or buy dolls to use for simulated child sex, I'm good with it.

 

[Ikari]

There are a few actions which do actually lead to government intervention before the crime is actually committed. Writing threatening letters to the president would be one. Talking about bombs while sitting in a seat on an airplane would too.

So, if we preempt child rapists by going after those men and women who pursue art depicting child sex or buy dolls to use for simulated child sex, I'm good with it.

It is true. But buying a creepy child sex doll isn't the same as sending a letter to someone threatening them. Far from it.

I'm not really OK with this sort of thing, but at the same accord, without any evidence that this behavior infringes upon the rights of others, it's hard to excuse government force.