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Childlike Sex Dolls

Roadvirus said:
You want effective therapies against child sex pervs?

Castration and/or shock therapy.

You're welcome.
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Our moral relativist friends here, like Maq and Will, are a trip. Are they not?
 
calamity said:
Our moral relativist friends here, like Maq and Will, are a trip. Are they not?
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The trip is you guys wanting to punish people who haven't actually harmed anyone. I guess you want to throw the klepto's in jail even before they steal, eh?
 
Henrin said:
So it's an impulse control disorder?
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I am so suspecting that you are going to try to turn this into the lie of they cannot ever control themselves, but yes, as best I understand it impulse control disorder is accurate. Therapy and drugs can help, and could possibly help pedophiles as well. Of course one of the big problems is that no one tries to harm or jail the klepto who has the urges but hasn't succumbed to them and seeks help. No so with the pedo. One mention of their urges, and everyone wants to castrate, jail and/or kill them, despite the fact that they haven't hurt anyone. So I have no problem with them having these dolls or animated porn, if no one is going to actually help them instead of punish them for something they haven't done and something else they can't control.
 
Henrin said:
We are to believe it is just an attraction, so with in mind it should run on the same basic workings as any other attraction. Most men not getting any action and that don't have access to porn aren't going to go and rape women, so it falls into reason that the normal person attracted to children wouldn't go out and rape children if they don't have some kind of outlet to deal with their urges.
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Well, maybe you think pedophilia is normal attraction, but I sure don't. Agree to disagree, I guess.
 
Roadvirus said:
Torturing and killing family pets is a prelude to becoming a serial killer. Need i say more?
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Clearly violent video games must be banned, because they turn people into killers.
 
Deuce said:
Well, maybe you think pedophilia is normal attraction, but I sure don't. Agree to disagree, I guess.
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I was mocking the position that it was just an attraction. I thought that would be obvious by the phrasing I decided on, but I guess not.
 
maquiscat said:
I am so suspecting that you are going to try to turn this into the lie of they cannot ever control themselves, but yes, as best I understand it impulse control disorder is accurate. Therapy and drugs can help, and could possibly help pedophiles as well. Of course one of the big problems is that no one tries to harm or jail the klepto who has the urges but hasn't succumbed to them and seeks help. No so with the pedo. One mention of their urges, and everyone wants to castrate, jail and/or kill them, despite the fact that they haven't hurt anyone. So I have no problem with them having these dolls or animated porn, if no one is going to actually help them instead of punish them for something they haven't done and something else they can't control.
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I don't buy into the whole klepto thing. If you ask me they're just assholes that like to steal ****. Anyway, I don't see how a doll is going to stop someone from raping someone when the ****ing resistance of the kid doesn't stop them.
 
Henrin said:
I was mocking the position that it was just an attraction. I thought that would be obvious by the phrasing I decided on, but I guess not.
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Your sarcasm detector needs a tune-up.

But I'm glad to see your straw man construction skills are still top-notch.
 
maquiscat said:
The trip is you guys wanting to punish people who haven't actually harmed anyone. I guess you want to throw the klepto's in jail even before they steal, eh?
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I can live with a few theifs running around. Not sure we want to live with pedophiles who are on the edge of offending teaching in our schools, ministering to our townsfolk or instructing children in gymnastics. So, even if they have not yet harmed anyone, they certainly pose more of a threat to society than someone snatching Chinese manufactured knick knacks from WalMart.
 
calamity said:
Yes, you read that right.


Thoughts?
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I don't know. It seems like proper therapy/mental healthcare would be the way to go on this. But maybe it can’t be resolved in that manner? I’m not sure. But something like this doesn’t really address the underlying problem. On the other hand, if this sort of outlet allows the individual “relief” and saves an actual child from coming to harm, it could be a plus in that regard.
 
Ikari said:
I don't know. It seems like proper therapy/mental healthcare would be the way to go on this. But maybe it can’t be resolved in that manner? I’m not sure. But something like this doesn’t really address the underlying problem. On the other hand, if this sort of outlet allows the individual “relief” and saves an actual child from coming to harm, it could be a plus in that regard.
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I guess---and, I would have to think this through a bit before committing---that if these dolls were used in conjunction with professional therapy, I'd give their so-called therapeutic properties more weight.
 
calamity said:
I guess---and, I would have to think this through a bit before committing---that if these dolls were used in conjunction with professional therapy, I'd give their so-called therapeutic properties more weight.
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It's possible they could be, maybe. I'm not sure if we'll ever have data to say for certain if these things have an effect. Though fundamentally, it is a doll and not a real person. So while it's creepy and disturbing, there's some potential for a net benefit and it's not an actual kid. I'm sure purchasing one gets someone on a list if they aren't already.
 
Ikari said:
It's possible they could be, maybe. I'm not sure if we'll ever have data to say for certain if these things have an effect. Though fundamentally, it is a doll and not a real person. So while it's creepy and disturbing, there's some potential for a net benefit and it's not an actual kid. I'm sure purchasing one gets someone on a list if they aren't already.
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IMO, there are fundamental "don'ts." Fantasizing about having sex with children is one of them. It's like a line drawn in the mind, one that should not be crossed. Much the same can be said about harboring fantasies about killing someone or holding them captive for sexual gratification.

I'm sure it's not healthy to pursue those fantasies, if someone harbors such thoughts, even if it's just expressed by abusing a doll. But, if it's done in a therapeutic setting, it may have some benefit because professionals can analyze the behavior and perhaps find ways to treat it through such observations.
 
There is another angle here which has thus far been ignored. What drives this "attraction" to children? Is it a desire for kids simply because they are turned on by them or is it more sinister--a desire to control and harm defenseless victims? I believe child molesters fall into one of those two groups: some enjoy the hurt and control, others just want to have sex with kids.

That's something I believe therapy in conjunction with using a doll can resolve, and that would be of benefit. Is the person really a sadist or is just a pedophile? I believe the latter may be treatable, the former not so much.
 
calamity said:
IMO, there are fundamental "don'ts." Fantasizing about having sex with children is one of them. It's like a line drawn in the mind, one that should not be crossed. Much the same can be said about harboring fantasies about killing someone or holding them captive for sexual gratification.

I'm sure it's not healthy to pursue those fantasies, if someone harbors such thoughts, even if it's just expressed by abusing a doll. But, if it's done in a therapeutic setting, it may have some benefit because professionals can analyze the behavior and perhaps find ways to treat it through such observations.
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What about BEING HELD captive for sexual gratification?
 
calamity said:
IMO, there are fundamental "don'ts." Fantasizing about having sex with children is one of them. It's like a line drawn in the mind, one that should not be crossed. Much the same can be said about harboring fantasies about killing someone or holding them captive for sexual gratification.

I'm sure it's not healthy to pursue those fantasies, if someone harbors such thoughts, even if it's just expressed by abusing a doll. But, if it's done in a therapeutic setting, it may have some benefit because professionals can analyze the behavior and perhaps find ways to treat it through such observations.
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I think there are a lot of fundamental "don't", but these tend to revolve around the infringement of rights of others. I don't think that people should harbor fantasies about killing people or having sex with kids or assaulting others or all sorts of other things. At the same accord, there are various releases for some of these that don't involve other folk and I wouldn't quite involve government if it didn't.

These dolls are creepy and disturbing for sure, but less there was evidence to suggest that they cause injury to others, it is a doll and not an actual person. The actual answer is therapy or proper mental health services, but barring that I'd take an inanimate object over a human being harmed any day of the week.
 
radcen said:
But it takes two to do this tango.
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If we are talking playing captive with a willing participant, it's a far cry from actually holding someone captive agaiiinst their will or even simulating it with an inanimate object. One gives pleasure to both parties, the other only to the sadist. I hope you agree with the importance of that distinction.
 
calamity said:
If we are talking playing captive with a willing participant, it's a far cry from actually holding someone captive or even simulating it with an inanimate object. One gives pleasure to both parties, the other only to the sadist. I hope you agree with the importance of that distinction.
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I'm surprised you even acknowledge the distinction. So far, you have demonstrated little willingness or ability to discern nuance. String 'em up, even if they merely think about it!
 
Ikari said:
I think there are a lot of fundamental "don't", but these tend to revolve around the infringement of rights of others. I don't think that people should harbor fantasies about killing people or having sex with kids or assaulting others or all sorts of other things. At the same accord, there are various releases for some of these that don't involve other folk and I wouldn't quite involve government if it didn't.

These dolls are creepy and disturbing for sure, but less there was evidence to suggest that they cause injury to others, it is a doll and not an actual person. The actual answer is therapy or proper mental health services, but barring that I'd take an inanimate object over a human being harmed any day of the week.
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Acting out on a doll, by itself, is harmless. However, it does indicate a deeper disturbance. And, that is the part I am not sure is a good idea to promote unchecked.
 
radcen said:
I'm surprised you even acknowledge the distinction. So far, you have demonstrated little willingness or ability to discern nuance. String 'em up, even if they merely think about it!
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Think? No. Buy a doll and start acting on the sick fantasies? Maybe.
 
calamity said:
Acting out on a doll, by itself, is harmless. However, it does indicate a deeper disturbance. And, that is the part I am not sure is a good idea to promote unchecked.
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It would indicate some unsavory desires, true. But less there is some evidence that they'd act on those against real people, I'm not sure there is anything we can justly do with government force.
 
calamity said:
Yes, you read that right.


Thoughts?
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This came up roughly a year ago, and my reaction to this now is that same as it was then.

1. Ew.
2. If the potential sex offender is getting his rocks off on a doll rather than a real child, that's a win.
 
Cardinal said:
This came up roughly a year ago, and my reaction to this now is that same as it was then.

1. Ew.
2. If the potential sex offender is getting his rocks off on a doll rather than a real child, that's a win.
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I'd feel better about if they were getting their rocks off with said doll while also enrolled in an intensive therapeutic program. I'm not comfortable with them doing it unsupervised. A doll with sensors and a microprocessor providing a therapist some feedback would be ideal.

As I mentioned in a post above, we need to know if the attraction is of a nurturing, but albeit, inappropriate desire to be with kids, or if it is driven by a need to hurt, dominate and control them. A feedback type doll would provide a therapist with that information.
 
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