Chicago violence

[Grand Mal]

Police brutality is gang violence.

Fine. And...?

 

[Moderate Right]

Obviously black lives don’t matter.


Chicago shootings: 102 shot, 14 fatally, over Father’s Day weekend - Chicago Sun-Times

That's it. We should defund the police department.

 

[Grand Mal]

So you are saying that black lives matter only when it fits with the liberal agenda. Got it, thanks.

"So you are saying that..." must be like an addiction.

 

[ludin]

Listen. This is the last time I'll say this.
You don't have to earn the right to protest police brutality by protesting every other social ill plaguing the country as well.

Listen black lives only seem to matter when it is a white cop involved.
Listen if you are going to call yourself black lives matter then you better give a damn
when blacks are being killed in far greater numbers by other black than they are white cops.

OL but that destroys the damn narrative doesn't it?

So as i said black lives don't matter all of a sudden do they?

 

[Fletch]

"So you are saying that..." must be like an addiction.

What are you saying?

 

[Condor060]

Police brutality. It's a protest against police brutality. Gang violence is a different topic.

So when is the protest for the other 99% of all black deaths going to happen?

 

[Lutherf]

It's stupid to equate gang violence with police brutality. A simple-minded child knows the difference.

Using the weekend events at CHOP as a gauge, I'd say your statement is rather accurate. Word is that those shootings were gang related and we're not seeing much outrage from the community. The outrage I have seen appears to be based more on the idea that gang violence will ruin the protest than that it's something which is a result of the way the community conducts their affairs.

It's always a lot easier to point at others and say "They're the problem" than it is to look inside and say, "Maybe we have some changing to do ourselves".

 

[Lutherf]

So it has nothing to do with blacks killed. Just blacks killed by cops.

To give some perspective, here's a comment by the Seattle DSA regarding the police union getting kicked out of the AFL-CIO

This victory is a reflection of the huge impact of the protests for Black lives since George Floyd was killed by Minneapolis police. This uprising has opened up a discussion in the labor movement about kicking out the International Union of Police Associations from the national AFL-CIO. The King County Labor Council’s vote appears to be the first labor body to take this step since George Floyd’s murder.

Seattle DSA believes the labor movement needs to stand 100% against racism and with the movement for Black lives. As socialists, we understand that the police are a fundamentally racist and anti-labor institution that protects the “law and order” of the ruling class.

MLK Labor Council Kicks out Police Union - Statement by Seattle DSA - Seattle Democratic Socialists of America

 

[vesper]

What a way to celebrate Father's Day! Fourteen people, including five children, were killed as more than 100 people were shot. Youngest fatality 3 years old. Blacks killing blacks. Until blacks truly believe that the life of a black person matters, what's the point?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Why is it stupid? Exponentially more black lives are taken by other blacks than are taken by police. Why does such a comparatively small number get the majority of attention?

Because being killed by a criminal is somewhat to be expected, being killed by a police officer should only happen under the most dire circumstances.

 

[tres borrachos]

Obviously black lives don’t matter.


Chicago shootings: 102 shot, 14 fatally, over Father’s Day weekend - Chicago Sun-Times

So now that we know that black lives matter to you, what is your solution?

 

[tres borrachos]

What a way to celebrate Father's Day! Fourteen people, including five children, were killed as more than 100 people were shot. Youngest fatality 3 years old. Blacks killing blacks. Until blacks truly believe that the life of a black person matters, what's the point?

I know, right? Blacks in Minneapolis should just be allowed to die under the knee of police officers because black criminals in Chicago kill people.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Obviously black lives don’t matter.


Chicago shootings: 102 shot, 14 fatally, over Father’s Day weekend - Chicago Sun-Times

You're right. Black lives don't matter. When it was White men killing each other in Chicago something was done about it.

Prohibition was ended and machine guns were banned.

 

[Grand Mal]

So when is the protest for the other 99% of all black deaths going to happen?

You tell me. When you get it organized maybe.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

That's it. We should defund the police department.

Yes, defund the drug war. End the drug war will end the drug gangs. That will end the violence.

Chicago is not just Black people randomly shooting each other. It's drug gangs at war just like it was Italian and Irish gangs during prohibition.

It's a very clear pattern but racists only see race. Race explains everything to the racist.

 

[vesper]

I know, right? Blacks in Minneapolis should just be allowed to die under the knee of police officers because black criminals in Chicago kill people.

Go find a thread on Minneapolis. Did you miss the title of this thread? "Chicago Violence"!!!! :roll:

 

[Maidenrules29]

It's stupid to equate gang violence with police brutality. A simple-minded child knows the difference.

I wasn't equating the two. I was pointing out how thousands of murders from black on black violence continue to get swept under the rug in favor of the relatively miniscule killings of blacks by police, most of which are completely justified.

 

[tres borrachos]

Go find a thread on Minneapolis. Did you miss the title of this thread? "Chicago Violence"!!!! :roll:

I see my subtlety was lost on you. No surprise.

Here's your post again.

What a way to celebrate Father's Day! Fourteen people, including five children, were killed as more than 100 people were shot. Youngest fatality 3 years old. Blacks killing blacks. Until blacks truly believe that the life of a black person matters, what's the point?

You're either breathtakingly ignorant about what the protests are all about (and that's very likely), or you just like to post stupid things like "blacks aren't protesting what happened in Minneapolis and they don't really mean it anyway, because of what some blacks did in Chicago, so none of them really care" (and given your history of posting stupid things, that is likely too).

You have no idea what blacks truly believe, and your sheer ignorance of Chicago to back up your Trumpian cluelessness is comical.

But carry on. Your posts are as funny as watching your crush Trump get humiliated last weekend in Tulsa.

 

[Maidenrules29]

Maybe you have a point. But then again maybe the reason there is so many police contacts in those areas of high violence where there is a predominately large number of Black people who involve themselves in crime has something to do with it too? You can only blame the people who are accepting and tolerating criminal behavior--- or excusing it for much of the problem.

If police brutality is as you believe automatically baked into the cake, then why so few incidents in neighborhoods where people follow the rules and aren't victimizing everyone around them? This isn't a race issue in places like Chicago, it is a CULTURE issue. When was the last time you saw a news report of a group of Jewish kids attacking and beating someone on the subway for their sneakers? Or how many time do you see news stories of 50 Asian kids rushing into a mall and stealing merchandise?

People don't want to have the attention of the police, then stop being involved in crime--or associating with criminals. George Floyd was murdered by a bad cop and there is no excuse for what the cop did to him. And yet why were the police called out to the scene by another citizen if not for suspicious criminal behavior (alleged)? Floyd same as Rayshard Brooks had criminal histories. BOTH were suspected of violating laws. Neither were profiled by the police, citizens called on them. Therefore at some level you need to consider WHY the police are making contacts with people. Doesn't absolve police of racially profiling when they do that. But like it or not there are a LOT of criminals among us. Apparently many just waiting to break bad and do violence and steal just as the so called "peaceful protests" have proven.

I couldn't have said that any better.

 

[tres borrachos]

I wasn't equating the two. I was pointing out how thousands of murders from black on black violence continue to get swept under the rug in favor of the relatively miniscule killings of blacks by police, most of which are completely justified.

So in other words, just ignore police brutality because of the thugs in Chicago.

One has nothing to do with the other. But these threads have been going on for years. Chicago has a high crime rate. Yes. We all know it. Nobody swept it under the rug.

 

[Maidenrules29]

Listen up. You don't have to earn the right to protest police brutality by also protesting every other social ill plaguing the country.

Yes, you do. The police would not have to make so many contacts with black males if black males were not disproportionately involved in criminal activity. Where are the protests with black people holding signs that say "Change our culture now!" and "gangster rap has got to go!" and "Stay in school, being smart is not "being white". Where are those marches?

 

[Moderate Right]

Yes, defund the drug war. End the drug war will end the drug gangs. That will end the violence.

Chicago is not just Black people randomly shooting each other. It's drug gangs at war just like it was Italian and Irish gangs during prohibition.

It's a very clear pattern but racists only see race. Race explains everything to the racist.

LOL. Yes, go ahead and end the drug war in Chicago. Defund the police. Keep those gun control laws Chicago has. My gosh, you guys have a very serious lack of reality.

 

[vesper]

I see my subtlety was lost on you. No surprise.

Here's your post again.



You're either breathtakingly ignorant about what the protests are all about (and that's very likely), or you just like to post stupid things like "blacks aren't protesting what happened in Minneapolis because of what some blacks did in Chicago, meaning none of them really care (and given your history of posting stupid things, that is likely too).

You have no idea what blacks truly believe, and your sheer ignorance of Chicago to back up your Trumpian cluelessness is comical.

But carry on. Your posts are as funny as watching your crush Trump get humiliated last weekend in Tulsa.

You really should give up on mind reading. It isn't your forte.

Chicago has had massive BLM protests over the death of Floyd. They also turned very violent. The damage was massive. Marching in massive protests because Black Lives Matter one day then having blacks killing blacks including kids while shooting over a hundred wounding them doesn't jive that black lives matter because evidently all those that were killed and many wounded did not matter.

 

[Maidenrules29]

So in other words, just ignore police brutality because of the thugs in Chicago.

One has nothing to do with the other. But these threads have been going on for years. Chicago has a high crime rate. Yes. We all know it. Nobody swept it under the rug.

I didn't say ignore it. The small percentage of badly trained and/or just plain bad cops is a big problem. But when was the last time you saw Al Sharpton or any of the other black race-baiters or media members like Don Lemon spotlight and try to find solutions to the horrible black culture that perpetuates the failings of black upward-mobility?

 

[Court Jester]

Lost me at, "If police brutality is as you believe..."
I've never said anything like that.

You've said a lot of things. In one post you said something about "inbred white trash" so clearly YOU are willing to use racist and a bigoted language to make your points. All I was attempting to do was have a discussion with a person willing to use racist bigoted language and try to get them to see the error of their thinking.

So my bad I guess for trying....

Live and learn.