Carter Page on CNN

[Mycroft]

The article you presented IS someone's hypothesis. The crux of the article



The writer is making a personal conclusion that he thinks is "transparently clear".... a term used when making a conclusion from a set of facts that often is anything but "transparently clear".... It was so clear that even Red State, a right-wing political porn cite, dismissed it. Not only did they dismiss it, they headlined their article as: "Don’t Be Ridiculous – Carter Page Was NOT an Undercover FBI Operative (the Latest Bait for the Gullible"

https://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/...ndercover-fbi-operative-latest-bait-gullible/.

As I also pointed out, when you google various combinations of Carter Page FBI informant, you get nothing to support your article

Sorry, you can believe this, if you want, and I appreciate you backing this up. If you accept this as standard of proof, we can all question your judgement.... but CAN NOT sell this has you have: "...it has already been established..." as that is not correct. Its someone's theory. To peddle it as anything but that is an outright misrepresentation: a lie.

You need to stay away from Google. Use Bing or something else.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=carter+page+fbi+informant&form=OPRTSD&pc=OPER

 

[Linc]

The article you presented IS someone's hypothesis. The crux of the article



The writer is making a personal conclusion that he thinks is "transparently clear".... a term used when making a conclusion from a set of facts that often is anything but "transparently clear".... It was so clear that even Red State, a right-wing political porn cite, dismissed it. Not only did they dismiss it, they headlined their article as: "Don’t Be Ridiculous – Carter Page Was NOT an Undercover FBI Operative (the Latest Bait for the Gullible"

https://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/...ndercover-fbi-operative-latest-bait-gullible/.

As I also pointed out, when you google various combinations of Carter Page FBI informant, you get nothing to support your article

Sorry, you can believe this, if you want, and I appreciate you backing this up. If you accept this as standard of proof, we can all question your judgement.... but CAN NOT sell this has you have: "...it has already been established..." as that is not correct. Its someone's theory. To peddle it as anything but that is an outright misrepresentation: a lie.

You do a great job sourcing. Just wanted to say that. I’m not at a computer. I did see Rep. Nunes move up the Mr. Mueller ladder today.

Nunes is in a pitched battle with the Fresno Bee newspaper. US Newspapers - US Newspaper List His rich farmer donors are getting nervous with permanently lost markets, depressed commodities, and possibly the worst of all: not enough ‘migrant’ workers. He has a good opponent.

Off the top off topic: The Green Papers: United States Midterm Election 2018. Some complain of the format. It’s my best election source and you can get to all candidate web sites, eventually — all federal and major state offices — ballotpedia is great — dailykoselections does great updates

 

[Atomic Kid]

It's been established that Page was an undercover agent for the FBI for 3 years, working with them to build a case against a Russian agent.

Where do you people come up with this nonsense? Not a word you said there is true. Carter like the idiot that he is eagerly and unwittingly blundered his way into the middle of a FBI counterintelligence operation.

 

[Mycroft]

Where do you people come up with this nonsense? Not a word you said there is true. Carter like the idiot that he is eagerly and unwittingly blundered his way into the middle of a FBI counterintelligence operation.

Are you another Google user? If you are, that's why you don't know anything. (except what they want you to know, of course)

 

[Atomic Kid]

Are you another Google user? If you are, that's why you don't know anything. (except what they want you to know, of course)

I read the damn transcript that introduced into the court case. The 'energy consultant' who transported the folders that had transmitters hidden in the binders was not a actual energy consultant or even a civilian. He was a trained and experienced FBI undercover agent. Carter Page was identified the American the Russian spies spoke of in the recordings collected by the FBI as "male 1". The FBI determined in their report that Page never realized his Russian contact worked on behalf of Moscow’s intelligence services. Which was supported by one of the Russians recorded comments about Page. "Podobnyy told Sporyshev on April 8, 2013. “I think he is an idiot and forgot who I am.” Podobnyy noted that Page wrote him emails in Russian “to practice,” and said “he flies to Moscow more than I do.” The FBI later payed Page a personal visit to warn him that he needs to be more careful in the future. Stop being such a sucker for these conservative right wing media sites. They're filling you head up with a bunch of crap.

 

[Mycroft]

The FBI determined in their report that Page never realized his Russian contact worked on behalf of Moscow’s intelligence services. Which was supported by one of the Russians recorded comments about Page. "Podobnyy told Sporyshev on April 8, 2013. “I think he is an idiot and forgot who I am.” Podobnyy noted that Page wrote him emails in Russian “to practice,” and said “he flies to Moscow more than I do.” The FBI later payed Page a personal visit to warn him that he needs to be more careful in the future.

And here is where the logic breaks down.

All that supposedly happened in 2013. Why on earth would the FBI try to get a FISA warrant THREE YEARS LATER if they had already talked to Page and determined that he wasn't willingly trying to work with the Russians? They had already warned him. Do they seriously think he was stupid enough to keep dealing with the Russians AFTER he knew the FBI was watching him?

That doesn't make a lick of sense.

 

[Atomic Kid]

And here is where the logic breaks down.

All that supposedly happened in 2013. Why on earth would the FBI try to get a FISA warrant THREE YEARS LATER if they had already talked to Page and determined that he wasn't willingly trying to work with the Russians? They had already warned him. Do they seriously think he was stupid enough to keep dealing with the Russians AFTER he knew the FBI was watching him?

That doesn't make a lick of sense.

Here we go with reading problems again. He was willing to work with the Russians. Even eager. The Russians even remarked about how eager Page was to make "lots of money" from Gazprom. Page knew that they were Russians. But he didn't know yet exactly what kind of Russians. And it would seem to be quite apparent from his later visits, statements and liaisons in days and years following that little brush with FBI counterintelligence that he is that stupid and didn't heed the warning probably thinking he's smarter than everybody else.

 

[Parrish]

From my reading Sam Clovis recruited Page. Why is my question.

 

[upsideguy]

You need to stay away from Google. Use Bing or something else.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=carter+page+fbi+informant&form=OPRTSD&pc=OPER

Are you trying to imply that Google has some type of political bias? That sounds a little too conspiratorial for most of us rational folk.

A search using Bing produced a couple of articles that reference back to the ConservativeTreeHouse. Most of us rational folk are not too keen on circular reasoning either. Many others point to individual blogs and irreputable right wing websites such as Townhall. Then there are a couple of articles that point out the Carter Page denied any work for the FBI. Other references talk about how this is a new spin that came up after the release of the FISA document.... Most of us rational folk also this trend: throw something against the wall and when that is revealed as bunk, throw something else against the wall.

At the end of the day (and it is near the end of the day), there is nothing substantive there. The best ya got is the ConservativeTreeHouse article which is nothing more than someone's deductive reasoning that led to some speculation. Interesting reading but not "...it has already been established.." There is just no basis to make the claim you have about this being an established, recognized fact.

Please temper this with the truth in your future posts..... for us rational folk.

 

[upsideguy]

You do a great job sourcing. Just wanted to say that. I’m not at a computer. I did see Rep. Nunes move up the Mr. Mueller ladder today.

Nunes is in a pitched battle with the Fresno Bee newspaper. US Newspapers - US Newspaper List His rich farmer donors are getting nervous with permanently lost markets, depressed commodities, and possibly the worst of all: not enough ‘migrant’ workers. He has a good opponent.

Off the top off topic: The Green Papers: United States Midterm Election 2018. Some complain of the format. It’s my best election source and you can get to all candidate web sites, eventually — all federal and major state offices — ballotpedia is great — dailykoselections does great updates

Thanks for noticing....and for the additional sourcing.

 

[Mycroft]

Are you trying to imply that Google has some type of political bias? That sounds a little too conspiratorial for most of us rational folk.

A search using Bing produced a couple of articles that reference back to the ConservativeTreeHouse. Most of us rational folk are not too keen on circular reasoning either. Many others point to individual blogs and irreputable right wing websites such as Townhall. Then there are a couple of articles that point out the Carter Page denied any work for the FBI. Other references talk about how this is a new spin that came up after the release of the FISA document.... Most of us rational folk also this trend: throw something against the wall and when that is revealed as bunk, throw something else against the wall.

At the end of the day (and it is near the end of the day), there is nothing substantive there. The best ya got is the ConservativeTreeHouse article which is nothing more than someone's deductive reasoning that led to some speculation. Interesting reading but not "...it has already been established.." There is just no basis to make the claim you have about this being an established, recognized fact.

Please temper this with the truth in your future posts..... for us rational folk.

Your statement that I was responding to was this one: "As I also pointed out, when you google various combinations of Carter Page FBI informant, you get nothing to support your article". Seems like you actually did do a search on Bing, since you know that it came up with plenty of articles that support the Conservative Treehouse article. (btw, Townhall, The Hill and The Daily Caller are not any more "irreputable" than RedState) But the fact is, the same search comes up with surprisingly different results between Google and Bing.



I know it's hard to see in that pic, but the Google search returns NOTHING about Carter Page working for the FBI, while every result on the first page of the Bing search is about Page working for the FBI.

So...your statement about a Google search for "Carter Page FBI informant" is correct. Nothing comes up about it. And my statement is also correct. Bing returns a slew of article about the subject.

It is quite obvious that Google spins their search results. You are doing yourself a disservice by letting them influence what you find in your searches.

 

[haymarket]

Just more of the same from you in most every post about President Trump! Trump hate at an extreme.
You spin your posts and sling mud as you go. Boring!

I simply tell the truth.

 

[Mycroft]

Here we go with reading problems again. He was willing to work with the Russians. Even eager. The Russians even remarked about how eager Page was to make "lots of money" from Gazprom. Page knew that they were Russians. But he didn't know yet exactly what kind of Russians. And it would seem to be quite apparent from his later visits, statements and liaisons in days and years following that little brush with FBI counterintelligence that he is that stupid and didn't heed the warning probably thinking he's smarter than everybody else.

Is there something illegal about being willing to make "lots of money"? Even from Russians? Heck, lots of US businesses make lots of money from Russians. It's called international trade. Maybe the FBI should take out a FISA warrant and conduct surveillance on ALL those businesses.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2016/08/03/headline-halah-t/#4d37c0cc5f99

Anyway, that nonsense FISA application cites the stuff from 2013 that had already been resolved...by the FBI...which I've shown defies logic. The only new stuff they had was that unverified Steele dossier. You should stick to facts instead of hanging your hat on "apparent" and "probably".