Canada to recognize Palestinian State

[Allan]

Israel is going to scream “Hamas” no matter what. Any sort oh acknowledgement of Israeli war crimes will be met with wails of “they were all Hamas”

I see. I'd say most of the world is getting to the point where Netanyahu and his merry band of genocidal murderers have far less credibility and influence.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

Why don't you read the thing or watch the video.

If I get time maybe, if I am curious enough.

That would be my preference - a multinational UN peacekeeping force followed by UN supervised elections.

Which nations would you prefer be in charge of forcing the Palestinians to peacefully accept Israel as a Jewish state?

I see. I'd say most of the world is getting to the point where Netanyahu and his merry band of genocidal murderers have far less credibility and influence.

This hate speech that you posted is really appalling. Falsely accusing Jews of committing imaginary atrocities is a staple of antisemitism, but falsely accusing them of genocide is beyond the pale of human decency.

 

[bomberfox]

I see. I'd say most of the world is getting to the point where Netanyahu and his merry band of genocidal murderers have far less credibility and influence.

Finally. Thanks for doing this.

 

[Irredentist]

It does. Israel is defending themselves from the Palestinians' illegal war of aggression.

Self defense is a convenient justification for atrocity. Hamas says the same thing. It was bullshit then and it's bullshit now. These people just want to kill each other. Let them do it without America's help.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

Yes the Palestinians should just accept always being oppressed

Requiring Palestinians to peacefully accept Israel as a Jewish state is not oppression.

while Israel "self-defends" them to death by genociding, starving, and ethnic cleansing them.

This hate speech that you posted is really appalling. Falsely accusing Jews of committing imaginary atrocities is a staple of antisemitism, but falsely accusing them of genocide is beyond the pale of human decency.

Did you root for Serbia to massacre more Albanians back in the 1990s also?

I recognize that Serbia was only defending themselves from NATO aggression. I also note that NATO's aggression against Serbia justifies Russia's aggression against Georgia and Ukraine.

 

[Rexedgar]

It does. Israel is defending themselves from the Palestinians' illegal war of aggression.

What areas of Israel are the Palestinians holding?

 

[bomberfox]

Requiring Palestinians to peacefully accept Israel as a Jewish state is not oppression.



This hate speech that you posted is really appalling. Falsely accusing Jews of committing imaginary atrocities is a staple of antisemitism, but falsely accusing them of genocide is beyond the pale of human decency.



I recognize that Serbia was only defending themselves from NATO aggression. I also note that NATO's aggression against Serbia justifies Russia's aggression against Georgia and Ukraine.

West bank palestinians already accepted. You do not get to take it sorry. Maybe dont be so entitled? You are continuing to fan the fires of this war each time you smugly talk about taking the west bank.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

Self defense is a convenient justification for atrocity.

In this case it is self defense. The Palestinians are waging an illegal war of aggression.

Hamas says the same thing. It was bullshit then and it's bullshit now.

Hamas is lying. Israel is not.

These people just want to kill each other. Let them do it without America's help.

Then also withdraw American pressure for Israeli restraint, and let Israel finish off Hamas in a single day.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

What areas of Israel are the Palestinians holding?

None that I know of.

 

[bomberfox]

In this case it is self defense. The Palestinians are waging an illegal war of aggression.



Hamas is lying. Israel is not.



Then also withdraw American pressure for Israeli restraint, and let Israel finish off Hamas in a single day.

its been years and several tons of armaments and you havnt finished off Hamas…

 

[Toggle Almendro]

West bank palestinians already accepted.

Cite?

You do not get to take it sorry.

But Israel gets to keep it. "Land For Peace" only requires Israel to give up land if there is peace.

Maybe dont be so entitled?

The Palestinians will not receive any land until they agree to peacefully accept Israel as a Jewish state.

You are continuing to fan the fires of this war each time you smugly talk about taking the west bank.

The fires are fanned by recognizing an imaginary Palestinian state as a reward for Palestinian violence.

its been years and several tons of armaments and you havnt finished off Hamas…

We haven't been attacking Hamas. Israel has. And we have pressured Israel into sharply curtailing their attacks.

Israel could end Hamas in a day at the cost of more than a million Palestinians killed.

 

[Irredentist]

In this case it is self defense. The Palestinians are waging an illegal war of aggression.

It's a meaningless semantical debate. Wars are never black and white, and evil is always on both sides.

Hamas is lying. Israel is not.

All nations lie to suit their own interests and agendas, at the expense of their enemies. Israel is not the exception.

Then also withdraw American pressure for Israeli restraint, and let Israel finish off Hamas in a single day.

If Israel wants to kill every Palestinian tomorrow, they can do that, and there is no one in the world who can stop them.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

It's a meaningless semantical debate. Wars are never black and white, and evil is always on both sides.

There is usually a side that is morally righteous. In this case it is Israel.

All nations lie to suit their own interests and agendas, at the expense of their enemies. Israel is not the exception.

Maybe so, but it is a fact that Israel is defending themselves from the Palestinians' illegal war of aggression.

If Israel wants to kill every Palestinian tomorrow, they can do that, and there is no one in the world who can stop them.

Israel does not want to do that. They do want to eradicate Hamas however.

And further, America has used our influence (that we only have because of our aid to Israel) to pressure Israel into drastically scaling down the severity of their military actions.

 

[Irredentist]

There is usually a side that is morally righteous. In this case it is Israel.

No, there isn't usually a side that is morally righteous. But that is what the propaganda on both sides will tell you; that they're the ones who are morally righteous. It's always a lie.

Maybe so, but it is a fact that Israel is defending themselves from the Palestinians' illegal war of aggression.

No, that isn't a fact, that's a moral judgement.

Israel does not want to do that. They do want to eradicate Hamas however.

And further, America has used our influence (that we only have because of our aid to Israel) to pressure Israel into drastically scaling down the severity of their military actions.

So what's stopping them now? Is Trump going to prevent Israel from eradicating Hamas? I don't think so. Israel must have some other reason to leave Hamas alive. Perhaps it benefits them somehow.

 

[Phys251]

its been years and several tons of armaments and you havnt finished off Hamas…

Because they never will. Those of us who are Zionists know that going after Hamas is just a pretext for Israel's genocide.

 

[Allan]

Swipe for the airdrop video. This obviously isn't the best way to distribute aid but it's necessary to get around the IDF blockade.

 

[Felis Leo]

No, there isn't usually a side that is morally righteous. But that is what the propaganda on both sides will tell you; that they're the ones who are morally righteous. It's always a lie.



No, that isn't a fact, that's a moral judgement.


So what's stopping them now? Is Trump going to prevent Israel from eradicating Hamas? I don't think so. Israel must have some other reason to leave Hamas alive. Perhaps it benefits them somehow.

If Israel were allowed to continue committing its genocide unabated, the very last Palestinian in Gaza killed will be the last genuine member of Hamas.

 

[bomberfox]

Like Nuttyahu’s coalition is such a ****ing failure they invite the AFD to a combatting antisemitism conference. Its over for him and may he rot in prison for the rest of his life.

 

[Felis Leo]

Like Nuttyahu’s coalition is such a ****ing failure they invite the AFD to a combatting antisemitism conference.

Fascists love Fascists.

 

[bythoughts]

It sounds like the Canadians are saying "This has become impossible ... so we can finally support it." I don't think this is profound wisdom, but I support the right of Canadians to make their own diplomatic decisions without every company's supply chain being thrown into knots because one man is more dead-set on undermining their sovereignty than even on making a tariff deal on favorable terms.

 

[Allan]

It sounds like the Canadians are saying "This has become impossible ... so we can finally support it." I don't think this is profound wisdom, but I support the right of Canadians to make their own diplomatic decisions without every company's supply chain being thrown into knots because one man is more dead-set on undermining their sovereignty than even on making a tariff deal on favorable terms.

Trump backed off his statement earlier today saying that Carney's decision to recognize a Palestinian state was "not a deal breaker".

Yeah, he did another TACO.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-tariffs-canada-deadline-1.7598480

 

[Toggle Almendro]

Because they never will. Those of us who are Zionists know that going after Hamas is just a pretext for Israel's genocide.

This hate speech that you posted is really appalling. Falsely accusing Jews of committing imaginary atrocities is a staple of antisemitism, but falsely accusing them of genocide is beyond the pale of human decency.

If Israel were allowed to continue committing its genocide unabated, the very last Palestinian in Gaza killed will be the last genuine member of Hamas.

This hate speech that you posted is really appalling. Falsely accusing Jews of committing imaginary atrocities is a staple of antisemitism, but falsely accusing them of genocide is beyond the pale of human decency.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

No, there isn't usually a side that is morally righteous. But that is what the propaganda on both sides will tell you; that they're the ones who are morally righteous. It's always a lie.

That is incorrect. There are good guys in wars. Not every time. But more often than you'd think.

No, that isn't a fact, that's a moral judgement.

That is incorrect. It is a fact that the Palestinians are waging an illegal war of aggression, and it is a fact that Israel is defending themselves.

So what's stopping them now?

From killing all Palestinians? The fact that Israel does not want to kill all Palestinians.

From going all-out on destroying Hamas? American pressure to not do so.

Is Trump going to prevent Israel from eradicating Hamas? I don't think so. Israel must have some other reason to leave Hamas alive. Perhaps it benefits them somehow.

Israel is not intentionally leaving Hamas alive.

 

[Allan]

This hate speech that you posted is really appalling. Falsely accusing Jews of committing imaginary atrocities is a staple of antisemitism, but falsely accusing them of genocide is beyond the pale of human decency.

Netanyahu and Trump have both said the desired outcome is that Palestinians will be eliminated from Gaza.

That is genocide.

 

[ElChupacabra]

The idea of a global movement for other nation-states to recognize the existence of a Palestinian State in which Hamas has no further role is a good one. I don't know if it's enough for 100+ nations to follow in these footsteps, but it's not a bad start. Well done Canada, this is good leadership on the global stage.

This is significant in the context of the rest of the industrialized world taking this position, because the rest of the world already has.