Canada joins new alliance to save the world order — and the U.S. is not included

[TU Curmudgeon]

From Global News

Canada joins new alliance to save the world order — and the U.S. is not included
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Canada has formally joined a German-French coalition aimed at saving the international world order from destruction by various world dictators — and the alliance does not include the United States.

The initiative is part of ongoing government efforts to shore up international co-operation at a time of waning American leadership and President Donald Trump’s outspoken disdain of institutions created after the Second World War.

Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland offered Canada’s support for the Alliance for Multilateralism during a meeting of G-7 foreign ministers in Dinard, France earlier this month. She avoided any direct mention of the Trump administration, as has been her approach generally in her frequent critiques of the attacks on the world’s multilateral order.

Many of today's greatest challenges are global and they can only be solved when we work together. That is why Canada stands united with its German, French, and Japanese friends. #G7 #AllianceOfMultilateralists pic.twitter.com/BbwToB8yKM
— Chrystia Freeland (@cafreeland) April 6, 2019
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Freeland cited Canada’s participation in several other multilateral initiatives, including the Lima Group coalition on Venezuela, and ongoing support for international trade bodies and treaties.

COMMENT:-

And you thought that all that talk about a "New World Order" was merely CT stuff, didn't you?
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[apdst]

I call that a win for The United States.

 

[Mycroft]

From Global News

Canada joins new alliance to save the world order — and the U.S. is not included
​

Canada has formally joined a German-French coalition aimed at saving the international world order from destruction by various world dictators — and the alliance does not include the United States.

The initiative is part of ongoing government efforts to shore up international co-operation at a time of waning American leadership and President Donald Trump’s outspoken disdain of institutions created after the Second World War.

Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland offered Canada’s support for the Alliance for Multilateralism during a meeting of G-7 foreign ministers in Dinard, France earlier this month. She avoided any direct mention of the Trump administration, as has been her approach generally in her frequent critiques of the attacks on the world’s multilateral order.

Many of today's greatest challenges are global and they can only be solved when we work together. That is why Canada stands united with its German, French, and Japanese friends. #G7 #AllianceOfMultilateralists pic.twitter.com/BbwToB8yKM
— Chrystia Freeland (@cafreeland) April 6, 2019
​

Freeland cited Canada’s participation in several other multilateral initiatives, including the Lima Group coalition on Venezuela, and ongoing support for international trade bodies and treaties.

COMMENT:-

And you thought that all that talk about a "New World Order" was merely CT stuff, didn't you?
​

They were smart to not mention this to the US. They've avoided having Trump tell them how stupid they are.

Anyway, this "Alliance for Multilateralism" is cool. I wish them success. I hope they have the money to fund whatever they decide to do.

But keep in mind that the US is still the big dog. They can all get together on the sidewalk and yap away, but the big dog will decide who gets to come up on the porch.

 

[VanceMack]

Oh good for them. Apparently with the UK attempting to do the Brexit thing, the New World Order needs a new poodle. Canada will do nicely.


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[TU Curmudgeon]

I call that a win for The United States.

Yep, and calling a dog's tail a leg means that a dog has five legs too.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

They were smart to not mention this to the US. They've avoided having Trump tell them how stupid they are.

Anyway, this "Alliance for Multilateralism" is cool. I wish them success. I hope they have the money to fund whatever they decide to do.

But keep in mind that the US is still the big dog. They can all get together on the sidewalk and yap away, but the big dog will decide who gets to come up on the porch.

It's nice to know that the era of gunboat diplomacy still has its supporters.

PS - Did you know that, according to both the World Bank and the CIA (2018 figures) the US ranks BEHIND both China and the EU in terms of GDP? Did you know that the combined GDP of the EU, Japan, and Canada exceeds the GDP of the US by around 40%? Did you know that the combined GDP of the EU, Japan, Canada, and China exceeds the GDP of the US by around 150%? Did you know that the US obtains approximately 80% of the Potash that American agriculture requires in order to continue producing at its current levels from Canada? Did you know that other countries also want to buy fertilizer?

 

[Mycroft]

It's nice to know that the era of gunboat diplomacy still has its supporters.

PS - Did you know that, according to both the World Bank and the CIA (2018 figures) the US ranks BEHIND both China and the EU in terms of GDP? Did you know that the combined GDP of the EU, Japan, and Canada exceeds the GDP of the US by around 40%? Did you know that the combined GDP of the EU, Japan, Canada, and China exceeds the GDP of the US by around 150%? Did you know that the US obtains approximately 80% of the Potash that American agriculture requires in order to continue producing at its current levels from Canada? Did you know that other countries also want to buy fertilizer?

Their GDP depends on the US.

Anyway, it's not "gunboat diplomacy". It's economic diplomacy.

Tell me...what do you think will happen to Germany's GDP if they cannot sell their cars to the US? Will Canada take up the slack? Japan? I know...China will buy them, right?

 

[Bullseye]

From Global News

Canada joins new alliance to save the world order — and the U.S. is not included
​

Canada has formally joined a German-French coalition aimed at saving the international world order from destruction by various world dictators — and the alliance does not include the United States.

The initiative is part of ongoing government efforts to shore up international co-operation at a time of waning American leadership and President Donald Trump’s outspoken disdain of institutions created after the Second World War.

Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland offered Canada’s support for the Alliance for Multilateralism during a meeting of G-7 foreign ministers in Dinard, France earlier this month. She avoided any direct mention of the Trump administration, as has been her approach generally in her frequent critiques of the attacks on the world’s multilateral order.

Many of today's greatest challenges are global and they can only be solved when we work together. That is why Canada stands united with its German, French, and Japanese friends. #G7 #AllianceOfMultilateralists pic.twitter.com/BbwToB8yKM
— Chrystia Freeland (@cafreeland) April 6, 2019
​

Freeland cited Canada’s participation in several other multilateral initiatives, including the Lima Group coalition on Venezuela, and ongoing support for international trade bodies and treaties.

COMMENT:-

And you thought that all that talk about a "New World Order" was merely CT stuff, didn't you?
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WTF is "international World Order"?

 

[Mycroft]

WTF is "international World Order"?

Globalism

 

[digsbe]

I'll be interested to see how they handle China. To protect the global world order China must be severely reigned in or, frankly, dissolved/destroyed. China is the largest threat to global peace and world order as we know it.

 

[Bullseye]

It's nice to know that the era of gunboat diplomacy still has its supporters.

PS - Did you know that, according to both the World Bank and the CIA (2018 figures) the US ranks BEHIND both China and the EU in terms of GDP? Did you know that the combined GDP of the EU, Japan, and Canada exceeds the GDP of the US by around 40%? Did you know that the combined GDP of the EU, Japan, Canada, and China exceeds the GDP of the US by around 150%? Did you know that the US obtains approximately 80% of the Potash that American agriculture requires in order to continue producing at its current levels from Canada? Did you know that other countries also want to buy fertilizer?

Did you know that if you substitute the US into any of your combinations and compare to the one US replaced the sentence will still be true? For example the GDP of the US, EU, Japan and Canada, will be greater than China.

 

[digsbe]

It's nice to know that the era of gunboat diplomacy still has its supporters.

PS - Did you know that, according to both the World Bank and the CIA (2018 figures) the US ranks BEHIND both China and the EU in terms of GDP? Did you know that the combined GDP of the EU, Japan, and Canada exceeds the GDP of the US by around 40%? Did you know that the combined GDP of the EU, Japan, Canada, and China exceeds the GDP of the US by around 150%? Did you know that the US obtains approximately 80% of the Potash that American agriculture requires in order to continue producing at its current levels from Canada? Did you know that other countries also want to buy fertilizer?

Are you talking GDP by purchasing power or nominal GDP, which cites actual wealth?

 

[can2man]

WTF is "international World Order"?

Don’t concern yourself with these definitions. You should be preparing for the civil war that is coming.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Their GDP depends on the US.

And the US GDP depends on them.

Anyway, it's not "gunboat diplomacy". It's economic diplomacy.

Which is NOT what "the US is the strongest country" implies.

Tell me...what do you think will happen to Germany's GDP if they cannot sell their cars to the US? Will Canada take up the slack? Japan? I know...China will buy them, right?

It is true that the largest market for German car manufacturers were the USA with an import value of roughly 26.9 billion euros. However, if the US "embargoed" German cars then the odds are that there would be quite a large opening that the Germans could fill by selling their cars into the countries that no longer allowed American cars to be imported. While the US is a large and convenient market, it comprises only around 5% of the potential world market.

PS - What do you think would happen to the US economy if the US could no longer buy petroleum products or potash from Canada? I mean, you use potash to make fertilizer and you mix fertilizer with petroleum products to make explosives and explosives are "products which are vital to Canada's national security and, if the components for making explosives were exported then they might fall into the hands of international terrorists" so Canada does have a "national security reason" for blocking exports of those two (completely insignificant - right) items except under strict controls where the Canadian government is allowed to have inspectors accessing any place where they might be used or where any plans for their use might be being made.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

WTF is "international World Order"?

It's got something to do with "honouring treaty commitments" and "obeying the rule of law" and "establishing trade relationships that are NOT 100% designed to benefit ONLY one party (with that benefited party having sole say over whether or not it is benefiting enough and having sole authority to punish any trade partner that the benefiting party says isn't giving the benefiting party enough of a benefit [oh yes, and being able to change its mind whenever the benefiting party feels like it])".

PS - It also has something to do with NOT supporting crass, venal, dishonest, murderous, thugs and dictators on the ground that those crass, venal, dishonest, murderous, thugs and dictators will give the commercial interests of the supporting country the greatest financial benefits from exploiting the natural resources and/or people of the countries being run by those crass, venal, dishonest, murderous, thugs and dictators. In other words, a rejection of the "Yes he's an SOB, BUT he's OUR SOB." school of international relations.

 

[American]

It's nice to know that the era of gunboat diplomacy still has its supporters.

PS - Did you know that, according to both the World Bank and the CIA (2018 figures) the US ranks BEHIND both China and the EU in terms of GDP? Did you know that the combined GDP of the EU, Japan, and Canada exceeds the GDP of the US by around 40%? Did you know that the combined GDP of the EU, Japan, Canada, and China exceeds the GDP of the US by around 150%? Did you know that the US obtains approximately 80% of the Potash that American agriculture requires in order to continue producing at its current levels from Canada? Did you know that other countries also want to buy fertilizer?

And they'll keep right on selling that potash too. I love the way you have lump a bunch of countries together to exceed the US. :lol:

 

[What if...?]

They were smart to not mention this to the US. They've avoided having Trump tell them how stupid they are.

Anyway, this "Alliance for Multilateralism" is cool. I wish them success. I hope they have the money to fund whatever they decide to do.

But keep in mind that the US is still the big dog. They can all get together on the sidewalk and yap away, but the big dog will decide who gets to come up on the porch.

So you're happy they didn't get a chuckle over trump calling them stupid?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Are you talking GDP by purchasing power or nominal GDP, which cites actual wealth?

List of countries by GDP (PPP)

 

[What if...?]

Their GDP depends on the US.

Anyway, it's not "gunboat diplomacy". It's economic diplomacy.

Tell me...what do you think will happen to Germany's GDP if they cannot sell their cars to the US? Will Canada take up the slack? Japan? I know...China will buy them, right?

Might want to think how the donor class will like having their status symbol supply cut off.

 

[American]

And the US GDP depends on them.



Which is NOT what "the US is the strongest country" implies.



It is true that the largest market for German car manufacturers were the USA with an import value of roughly 26.9 billion euros. However, if the US "embargoed" German cars then the odds are that there would be quite a large opening that the Germans could fill by selling their cars into the countries that no longer allowed American cars to be imported. While the US is a large and convenient market, it comprises only around 5% of the potential world market.

PS - What do you think would happen to the US economy if the US could no longer buy petroleum products or potash from Canada? I mean, you use potash to make fertilizer and you mix fertilizer with petroleum products to make explosives and explosives are "products which are vital to Canada's national security and, if the components for making explosives were exported then they might fall into the hands of international terrorists" so Canada does have a "national security reason" for blocking exports of those two (completely insignificant - right) items except under strict controls where the Canadian government is allowed to have inspectors accessing any place where they might be used or where any plans for their use might be being made.

You prattle on too much. All the smack you think you're talking ain't worth a hoot 'n holler.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

And they'll keep right on selling that potash too. I love the way you have lump a bunch of countries together to exceed the US. :lol:

China is only one country.

The EU, for economic purposes, functions as one country.

Your position is that the US is going head to head with one country at a time. It isn't. Not only that, but the more belicose the US government gets, the more incentive there is for the rest of the world to adopt Mr. Franklin's "We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately." advice.

PS - I didn't know that the United States of America was the only country in the world that used fertilizer in its agriculture. Thank you for pointing that out to me.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Might want to think how the donor class will like having their status symbol supply cut off.

They'll all just have to go back to driving Cadillacs like they used to before 1950.

 

[American]

China is only one country.

The EU, for economic purposes, functions as one country.

Your position is that the US is going head to head with one country at a time. It isn't. Not only that, but the more belicose the US government gets, the more incentive there is for the rest of the world to adopt Mr. Franklin's "We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately." advice.

PS - I didn't know that the United States of America was the only country in the world that used fertilizer in its agriculture. Thank you for pointing that out to me.

So one country of 1.3 billion is slightly outdoing a country of 325 million. But the Left is doing it's best to end that, I'll admit. They'd love us in third world status.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

You prattle on too much. All the smack you think you're talking ain't worth a hoot 'n holler.

I agree that the United States of America has absolutely no need for anything that it imports from other countries and has absolutely no need for any markets provided by other countries and heartily applaud the United States of America for its gracious acts of kindness and charity in allowing other countries to sell it stuff that it doesn't need and its incredible largess in allowing other countries to buy stuff that it really doesn't have to sell them.

[oops - time for my meds]

 

[American]

I agree that the United States of America has absolutely no need for anything that it imports from other countries and has absolutely no need for any markets provided by other countries and heartily applaud the United States of America for its gracious acts of kindness and charity in allowing other countries to sell it stuff that it doesn't need and its incredible largess in allowing other countries to buy stuff that it really doesn't have to sell them.

[oops - time for my meds]

You're talking total nonsense now. You've gone completely incoherent.