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Can you give me any reason why the top 50% shouldn't pay 85-90% of all taxes?

BirdinHand said:
So, the poor - that barely have enough money to eat or keep a roof over their heads - should pony up more money?

Where are they getting this money from?
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You could probably have a personal exemption that covered the first ~$15000 that everyone makes, but the idea is that everyone who lives in this country should contribute toward funding it
 
BirdinHand said:
Why?
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Why what? Why should every American contribute to the funding of our government? That doesnt strike me as a serious question. Why should some Americans demand to live at the expense of others is a better question.
 
Fletch said:
Why should some Americans demand to live at the expense of others is a better question.
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That is not a question rooted in economic reality, but the same political vanity you often accuse your opposition of doing.

The real question, anyone serious should consider, is why do we tax and what is the economic benefit to a progressive tax system?
 
OrphanSlug said:
That is not a question rooted in economic reality, but the same political vanity you often accuse your opposition of doing.
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How is that vanity? If you believe in the concept of right, explain how you can have a right to something that is mine by right?
OrphanSlug said:
The real question, anyone serious should consider, is why do we tax and what is the economic benefit to a progressive tax system?
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Thats a political and economic question. You are ignoring the moral one.
 
Fletch said:
You could probably have a personal exemption that covered the first ~$15000 that everyone makes, but the idea is that everyone who lives in this country should contribute toward funding it
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There are plenty of other ways to contribute to the country without paying federal income taxes.
 
Fletch said:
How is that vanity? If you believe in the concept of right, explain how you can have a right to something that is mine by right?

Thats a political and economic question. You are ignoring the moral one.
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It is vanity because you cannot explain why we tax or why we ideally should have a progressive tax system.

Moreover, it is not immoral to tax, it is an important economic function for both currency valuation and inflation throttling.

What is immoral is the suggestion of continuing the political game of ensuring the economy faces headwind after headwind because of a wealth based aristocracy in bed with a modern day government based aristocracy that continually and often harms everyone else via crony capitalism.

Quit pretending there is some moral high road with "a right to something," utter nonsense to avoid a serious economic discussion.
 
OrphanSlug said:
It is vanity because you cannot explain why we tax or why we ideally should have a progressive tax system.
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?? I know why we tax and why we have a progressive tax. I just happen to disagree with it. Thats not vanity.
OrphanSlug said:
Moreover, it is not immoral to tax, it is an important economic function for both currency valuation and inflation throttling.
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OK
OrphanSlug said:
What is immoral is the suggestion of continuing the political game of ensuring the economy faces headwind after headwind because of a wealth based aristocracy in bed with a modern day government based aristocracy that continually and often harms everyone else via crony capitalism.
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We have had a progressive tax rate for 100 years, yet these 'headwinds' you speak of still exist.
OrphanSlug said:
Quit pretending there is some moral high road with "a right to something," utter nonsense to avoid a serious economic discussion.
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Yes, how dare I pretend that you have a right to anything at all. The constitution is meaningless, and we all should just be happy with whatever privileges the benevolent state allows us to enjoy.
 
Fletch said:
?? I know why we tax and why we have a progressive tax. I just happen to disagree with it. Thats not vanity.

OK

We have had a progressive tax rate for 100 years, yet these 'headwinds' you speak of still exist.
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Not to the point it should, and the more Republicans keep adding to means for the wealthy to exploit the worse it gets. All evidence supporting.

Fletch said:
Yes, how dare I pretend that you have a right to anything at all. The constitution is meaningless, and we all should just be happy with whatever privileges the benevolent state allows us to enjoy.
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There is that vanity... right on cue.
 
Fletch said:
Why what? Why should every American contribute to the funding of our government? That doesnt strike me as a serious question. Why should some Americans demand to live at the expense of others is a better question.
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If individuals do not have the capability to contribute because they earn so little, why should they be forced to?

Especially when we have people that have incredible ability to contribute and businesses that have incredible ability to contribute?

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Fletch said:
Why what? Why should every American contribute to the funding of our government? That doesnt strike me as a serious question. Why should some Americans demand to live at the expense of others is a better question.
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It's the wealthy who live at the expense of the poor.
 
Can you give me any reason why the top 50% shouldn't pay 85-90% of all taxes?
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They likely already do. The bottom 50% pays no net federal income tax after the standard deduction. If fact, many get back at the end of the year, more than they paid due to tax credits.

Now FICA is a different deal, and goes into a fund everyone collects on when they retire.
 
Fletch said:
Why what? Why should every American contribute to the funding of our government? That doesnt strike me as a serious question. Why should some Americans demand to live at the expense of others is a better question.
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I think that all should pay a tax simply so they have a dog in the fight. When a politician want to raise tax rates, the poor need to think about how much their taxes might get raised too.

We are already in the danger zone when the 50% who pay no federal income tax can elect politicians that raise the hell out of every one elses.
 
Lord of Planar said:
I think that all should pay a tax simply so they have a dog in the fight
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The poor don’t HAVE a dog in the fight.

They’re not IN the fight.

They’re barely able to keep their bellies full and housing over their heads.

What dog? What fight? They’re trying to stay alive. And losing at that.
Lord of Planar said:
. When a politician want to raise tax rates, the poor need to think about how much their taxes might get raised too.
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They can’t afford to keep up - adding more debt to their plate doesn’t really chaage much.
Lord of Planar said:
We are already in the danger zone when the 50% who pay no federal income tax can elect politicians that raise the hell out of every one elses.
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We are already in danger due to the incredible wealth gap in this country.
 
BirdinHand said:
If individuals do not have the capability to contribute because they earn so little, why should they be forced to?
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Fica taxes apply to the very first dollar. Someone who earns only $100 for the entire year is forced to pay them. Do you support ending fica taxes?
 
Loulit01 said:
Why don't little companies leave countries with much higher tax rates than ours? Denmark is doing fine. Volvo isn't leaving Sweden. This is nonsense.
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That's because taxes aren't the only factor in where a company sets up shop. A lot of businesses stay in high-tax countries because they're also high-skill, high-infrastructure, high-stability countries. Denmark can tax more because it offers educated workers, reliable courts, and functioning infrastructure in return.

But that doesn't mean taxes don't matter. Push them too far and firms do leave - just look at the exodus of companies from california to texas, or ireland's low corporate tax rate attracting multinational corps from across europe. Sweden keeps volvo because it balances taxes with benefits. If you raised rates another 10 points overnight, even volvo would start eyeing the exit.
 
aociswundumho said:
Fica taxes apply to the very first dollar. Someone who earns only $100 for the entire year is forced to pay them. Do you support ending fica taxes?
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I support what was dubbed "The Fair tax," but it appears no one is trying to push it any longer. It eliminated income taxes and is replaced by a national sales tax. The tax can be such that necessities have no tax. Only non essentials are taxed. This eliminates the tax burden on the poor and only those who buy nonessential pay taxes.
 
aociswundumho said:
Fica taxes apply to the very first dollar. Someone who earns only $100 for the entire year is forced to pay them. Do you support ending fica taxes?
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Well, except that isn’t true.

Why post lies?

No, not everyone pays FICA taxes.
 
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