• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

California panel approves historic plan to require solar panels on new homes

SouthernDemocrat said:
I agree, but how many new homes in California are being built that cost just 350K?
Click to expand...
We are getting flooded with people fleeing LA for northern California. The sell their L.A. home for fat cash, buy a nicer home here in a new neighborhood, and have a couple hundred thousand left over.

Google some Sacramento, Citrus Heights, Elk Grove, Folsom, and Roseville zip codes through Zillow or equal.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Some of yall are blowing this way out of proportion. I am not for the mandate, but let's be realistic. It only impacts new homes. Land is insanely expensive in most of California (other than in deserts where you can't get water to live anyway). Builders are not building homes there that anyone in the middle class can reasonably afford anyway - because the land is so damn expensive. No builder is going to build a 3 bedroom / 2 bath Cape Cod on 75 foot wide lot that cost them more than half a million for the land alone. The median home price (for existing homes) in California is more than 500k. You would be hard pressed to find a builder there building new homes for less than 750k. So basically, you are taking a new home that would be at least 750k to better than a million, and adding 20k to it for solar. That is a drop in the bucket on house that expensive to start with.

As to why land is so expensive there, well people all over the world pay a lot of money to live in a place that has the kind of scenery, geography and climate that California has. Personally, I would not want to be that house poor to try to afford to live there, but a lot of people are willing to do it.
Click to expand...

Read the post below and think about it. If it were just about getting solar power into the grid, why does it have to be done this way?

chuckiechan said:
Here’s a knee slapper. A contact of mine was working on a bill to use warehouse roofs. We have thousands of acres of flat roofs in industrial areas that could be leased. It never made it to committee.

Someone is paying off someone.
Click to expand...
 
I say that it is political malpractice to put this burden on citizens when they have barely the first damn clue how to get their electric grid up to date and well run which includes being properly and fairly funded....have have shown no willingness to spend the fast sums of money that this will take.....and when they are currently playing chicken with total grid failure by taking non green energy and nuclear offline permanently.
 
chuckiechan said:
Here’s a knee slapper. A contact of mine was working on a bill to use warehouse roofs. We have thousands of acres of flat roofs in industrial areas that could be leased. It never made it to committee.

Someone is paying off someone.
Click to expand...
Anyone with more than one accounting class would know that net metering cannot work for more than about 10% of the supply.
Adding thousands of acres of solar panels whose surplus would be sold to the grid at retail rate, would likely send the
utility into bankruptcy. I do not think it is a matter of someone being paid off, as a matter of someone looking at the
viability of a plan, and it's consequences.
For solar to expand, they need to unify the grid attachment laws, to something both small generator and utility can live with.
 
Nap said:
So for the good of the collective, the individual should not have a choice?
Click to expand...
Bingo! I missed this post yesterday, but you nailed it. It is so sad the collectivist/progressive mindset has spread so deeply in or political psyche. I fully support people who want to buy electric cars or put solar panels on their houses, or taking any other energy saving steps they desire. But I support even more an individual's right to choose to do so, or not. Convince me it's in my interest and I'll do it.
 
Last edited:
Bullseye said:
Bingo! I missed this post yesterday, but you nailed it. It is so sad the collectivist/progressive mindset has spread so deeply in or political psyche. I fully support people who want to buy electric cards or put solar panels on their houses. But I support even more an individual's right to choose to do so, or not. Convince me it's in my interest and I'll do it.
Click to expand...

If you break down many of the arguments from the left it ultimately comes down to that world view, and yet they wonder why it is we say they have abandoned Liberalism.
 
Nap said:
If you break down many of the arguments from the left it ultimately comes down to that world view, and yet they wonder why it is we say they have abandoned Liberalism.
Click to expand...
Absolutely - they cling to the label "liberal" but they retreat from its tenets. I used to label myself as a Classic Liberal but got into too many verbal fights because people thought I support the current bastardization of the term. Liberalism used to be about maximum individual freedom and responsibility and minimum government interference - free markets, low taxes and regulations - let people run their own lives. Sadly the left has now been taken over by the "we know better how your life should be run" crowd.
 
Bullseye said:
Absolutely - they cling to the label "liberal" but they retreat from its tenets. I used to label myself as a Classic Liberal but got into too many verbal fights because people thought I support the current bastardization of the term. Liberalism used to be about maximum individual freedom and responsibility and minimum government interference - free markets, low taxes and regulations - let people run their own lives. Sadly the left has now been taken over by the "we know better how your life should be run" crowd.
Click to expand...

Trust me I know the feeling living in Mississippi, the term Liberal is essentially an insult here.
 
Bullseye said:
Bingo! I missed this post yesterday, but you nailed it. It is so sad the collectivist/progressive mindset has spread so deeply in or political psyche. I fully support people who want to buy electric cars or put solar panels on their houses, or taking any other energy saving steps they desire. But I support even more an individual's right to choose to do so, or not. Convince me it's in my interest and I'll do it.
Click to expand...

The people of CA have been convinced that this is in their best interests

I know, I know...democracy sucks. Amirite?
 
sangha said:
The people of CA have been convinced that this is in their best interests

I know, I know...democracy sucks. Amirite?
Click to expand...
No, SOME of the people have decided this is in their best interests - fine, they should run out and install solar immediately. And actually what happened is a bunch of empty suits in Sacramento decided on this. No one asked me - did you get a call? If you want to make this an issue of democracy - put it on the ballot.
 
Bullseye said:
No, SOME of the people have decided this is in their best interests - fine, they should run out and install solar immediately. And actually what happened is a bunch of empty suits in Sacramento decided on this. No one asked me - did you get a call? If you want to make this an issue of democracy - put it on the ballot.
Click to expand...

The political representatives who voted for this are all on the ballot.
 
Bullseye said:
Absolutely - they cling to the label "liberal" but they retreat from its tenets. I used to label myself as a Classic Liberal but got into too many verbal fights because people thought I support the current bastardization of the term. Liberalism used to be about maximum individual freedom and responsibility and minimum government interference - free markets, low taxes and regulations - let people run their own lives. Sadly the left has now been taken over by the "we know better how your life should be run" crowd.
Click to expand...

A bunch of illiberals run this state.
 
Bullseye said:
Absolutely - they cling to the label "liberal" but they retreat from its tenets. I used to label myself as a Classic Liberal but got into too many verbal fights because people thought I support the current bastardization of the term. Liberalism used to be about maximum individual freedom and responsibility and minimum government interference - free markets, low taxes and regulations - let people run their own lives. Sadly the left has now been taken over by the "we know better how your life should be run" crowd.
Click to expand...

Luz. The War on Drugs, prayer in school and anti gay marriage all called for you.

Didn't leave any message.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Luz. The War on Drugs, prayer in school and anti gay marriage all called for you.

Didn't leave any message.
Click to expand...

I didn't see where he stated that there weren't authoritarians also on the Right as well. I will say the trend on the Right is becoming less authoritarian while the Left is increasing though.
 
sangha said:
They are appointed by people who are on the ballot.

It is a democracy. If people in CA do not like this, they can vote them and have new people appoint others in their place
Click to expand...

Why are unelected bureaucrats who are not accountable to the people making decisions in the first place?
 
sangha said:
They are appointed by people who are on the ballot.

It is a democracy. If people in CA do not like this, they can vote them and have new people appoint others in their place
Click to expand...

I asked for your source, not your opinion.
I guess you don't have one?
 
Nap said:
I didn't see where he stated that there weren't authoritarians also on the Right as well. I will say the trend on the Right is becoming less authoritarian while the Left is increasing though.
Click to expand...

No, there's no credible evidence that that's the case, esp. in light of the election of Twump and what he's trying to get away with.
 
sangha said:
The people of CA have been convinced that this is in their best interests

I know, I know...democracy sucks. Amirite?
Click to expand...

Good point, I would not say California should be forbidden from passing this law. I still think even ostensibly well-intentioned ideas like this should be carefully scrutinized for corrupt profiteering at ordinary Californians' expense. If banks and a select one or two solar companies benefit hugely from this, and the energy savings estimates are not really accurate, it's a bad deal. If it's not a government handout to the solar industry, the solar companies competing for installation business are competitive, and the long-term savings are very real, then it might only be rational to follow California's lead.

But a lot of people are behind it for really no other reason than it's California and is being done in the name of "clean energy." That's all they need to know to be huge fans.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom