Bye bye Tulsi

[Luther]

Don't worry, I will.

I'll be waiting for you(LOL)

 

[jnug]

Hawaii Dems vote no on Gabbard.

Democrat Kai Kahele wins Hawaii primary to replace Tulsi Gabbard | TheHill

She had to see this coming, right?

Anyway, it looks like Fox will now have a brunette to exploit along with all the blondes.

Oh you are a bad girl Calamity

 

[calamity]

Oh you are a bad girl Calamity

I'm not a girl, but I do have to admit. I like the sound of that.

 

[gulfman]

Tulsi is too smart and good looking to be a Democrat.If she moves to the Rebublican party she will do well.

 

[poweRob]

Hawaii Dems vote no on Gabbard.

Democrat Kai Kahele wins Hawaii primary to replace Tulsi Gabbard | TheHill

She had to see this coming, right?

Anyway, it looks like Fox will now have a brunette to exploit along with all the blondes.

Yet another Green New Deal M4A progressive wins!

Right on.

 

[poweRob]

What I see with this and several others is that the Democratic Party has no room for a moderate. It's either pass the progressive litmus test or be kicked out of the party. It's no wonder independents who political ideology for the most part is somewhere in-between the two major parties are growing while the two major parties are shrinking. Both are getting rid of anyone who may be a moderate or who isn't an hard core ideologue.

Party affiliation in 2006 was 37% Democrat, 31% Republican, 30% Independent. Today, or as of 4 Jun 2020 the numbers are 31% Democrat, 25% Republican and 40% independent. Not only are the two major parties losing members, many folks are defecting on their own. The problem with that is the two major parties have all the power, a monopoly in our two party electoral system. It doesn't matter if both parties shrink to 10%, they'll still control everything, they have a monopoly and are bound and determined to keep it. Our election laws are written by Republicans and Democrats and they write those laws as a mutual protection act. If there is one thing both major parties agree on, it's no viable third party will ever rise. They'll keep their monopoly by limiting the choices given to the American people.

Dems stretch from conservative Joe Manchin to liberal AOC. The tent is still monumentally bigger than the party of trump.

 

[post]

yup she had it coming. no room for sane democrats in the new democratic party.

Suggest you do some research. Tulsi's main district office is managed by her mother-in-law, her current and former husband all grew up together under "surfer dude", Chris Butler. She's openly flattered Putin. She practically became a Fox regular, and has exhibited little interest in representing her constituents.

A Love of Surfing Leads to a Proposal - The New York Times
April 10, 2015

Representative Tulsi Gabbard and Abraham Williams were married Thursday in Kahaluu, Hawaii. Pandit Vinod Dave, a Hindu priest, performed a Vedic ceremony.

....Mr. Williams, 26, is a freelance cinematographer in Honolulu.

He is a son of Anya Anthony and the stepson of Timothy S. Anthony of Kailua, Hawaii. The groom’s mother is the manager of Ms. Gabbard’s district office in Honolulu. His father teaches social studies and administers the English language learner program at Kalakaua Middle School in Honolulu.

Are you attracted to her appearance or because of her "present" vote on the matter of impeaching Trump.

Her and her father are the second set of "front folk" attracting votes to feed Chris Butler's political ambition.

A 1982 article.:

Reporting from the Community, for the Community - MEANWHILE IN HAWAI'I

....Butler's "MO was to recruit influential locals who could run for office," Wehrheim said.

Though the IGG party that Butler's followers founded in the mid-'70s did not formally last, the group's heavy involvement in Hawai'i's politics did. Elected officials who have been Butler devotees include former Hawai'i State Sen. Rick Reed, former Maui County Councilman Wayne Nishiki, current Hawai'i State Sen. Mike Gabbard, former Hawai'i State Board of Education member Carol Gabbard, and current U.S. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard....

Chris Butler is only mentioned 39 times in this profile of Tulsi Gabbard.:

Profile: Tulsi Gabbard and Her 2020 Presidential Campaign

...When Sina next visited Mike and Carol’s house, there was nothing on the walls but pictures of the immediate family and portraits of Chris Butler, a 30-something, tan, sandy-haired Caucasian, an aging beach boy in leis and white linen. Altars to him had sprung up in every room. The children’s lives were filed with ecstatic chanting, prayer, and beach gatherings exclusive to Butler devotees. Sina, who studied Eastern religions and spirituality and taught from the Bhagavad Gita, tried to be open-minded about the fact that they were, in her words, “bowing and prostrating to this white surfer guy — it was bizarre.” It was her Buddhist training to which she appealed in order to remain calm about her nephews attending Butler-focused schools and associating only with children whose parents were in the group, members of what she would come to see as the “alt-right of the Hare Krishna movement.” She said little about it outside the family until 2019, when one of her nieces, the most retiring and introverted of all the siblings, decided to run for president.

The Politician...

....In the car is the entire traveling staff, which is to say the candidate, her sister, and her husband, an aspiring cinematographer who, at 30, is eight years her junior and consistently two feet away from her with a camera pointed at her face. Abraham has known Tulsi since childhood, when they both appeared at gatherings presided over by Chris Butler. He proposed five years ago on a surfboard. Also accompanying her to Iowa is a quiet, mustachioed campaign worker named Sunil Khemaney; he gives me his card, which is branded with the campaign’s logo, but where a job title would typically go is empty white space. He runs a business owned by Chris Butler’s wife, and former members of the sect say he is Butler’s right-hand man.

 

[Citizen]

yup she had it coming. no room for sane democrats in the new democratic party.

The only thing she did to make wingnuts love her was to criticize Obama

 

[Thoreau72]

Too bad, I liked Tulsi Gabbard. She dared to be different.

Being different is what gets people run out of congress.

Cynthia McKinney of Georgia found a similar fate.

 

[bongsaway]

lets see her platform included getting us out of unnecessary foreign wars... what's wrong with that?

admit it, you want her out because she appeared on fox news a couple of times.

Admit it, you blah, blah, blah. You guys kill me with your admit it and prove it statements. So simple minded.

 

[Perotista]

I see the same in the GOP, either swallow Trump's Kool Aid or leave.

BTW: Biden is the consummate moderate. Bernie was the radical. Tulsi simply failed to represent the people of Hawaii. So, they elected someone who will represent their state.

I agree, both parties have their litmus tests and both are shrinking. Neither is liked. A majority of Americans think neither party represents them anymore. 42% of all Americans have a favorable view of the Democratic Party, 39% of the Republican Party.

Does either party want to be representative of all of America, America as a whole, the answer is a resounding NO.

 

[Guyzilla]

Your definition of sane is quite telling.

They think KANYE is sane.

 

[post]

The only thing she did to make wingnuts love her was to criticize Obama

No, there is more... politically unsophisticated younger American males are physically attracted to her, and she has a "Trumpian vibe."

Nearly four months after Gabbard's support from Putin had been reported, .....

Russia'''s propaganda machine discovers 2020 Democratic candidate Tulsi Gabbard

Feb. 2, 2019, 7:03 AM ESTBy Robert Windrem and Ben Popken
The Russian propaganda machine that tried to influence the 2016 U.S. election is now promoting the presidential aspirations of a controversial Hawaii Democrat who earlier this month declared her intention to run for president in 2020.

An NBC News analysis of the main English-language news sites employed by Russia in its 2016 election meddling shows Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii, who is set to make her formal announcement Saturday, has become a favorite of the sites Moscow used when it interfered in 2016.

Several experts who track websites and social media linked to the Kremlin have also seen what they believe may be the first stirrings of an upcoming Russian campaign of support for Gabbard.....

She had at least nearly four months to prepare an answer to this question, but she trolled for the Trump vote....
And why not... her and her father front as homophobic, political automotons of Chris Butler.

'''This Week''' Transcript 5-19-19: Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, John Hickenlooper, Rep. Seth Moulton and Gen. David Petraeus - ABC News
....
This is a rush transcript for "This Week" airing Sunday, May 19.
By ABC News May 19, 2019, 9:53 AM 54 min read
....
Do you believe that Vladimir Putin is a threat to U.S. national security?

GABBARD: You know, it’s unfortunate that you’re citing that article, George, because it’s a whole lot of fake news. ...

.....

 

[Perotista]

Dems stretch from conservative Joe Manchin to liberal AOC. The tent is still monumentally bigger than the party of trump.

I like Joe Manchin, he's an old leftover from the days of the yeller and blue dog Democrat and the original big tent Democratic party. Georgia has had some leftovers too in Zell Miller and Sam Nunn. Not anymore though. They've been driven from the democratic party. I do think Joe Biden is going to be the last of the Democratic Moderates to be nominated for president. You can bet your ranch that if Joe Manchin ran for the nomination he'd be laughed and driven off stage if not out of the party. You had another I really liked in Steve Bullock, former governor who is now running for the Montana senate seat. Forced out due to his failure to pass litmus tests.

Let's face, it won't be long when the Democratic Party is full of nothing but far leftist while the GOP is full of nothing more than far rightist. I fear for this nation's health. I liked the Democratic Party when they fought for the working man and not which bathroom a transgender can use. When the Democratic Party was pro defense being a military man all my life, not the peace dove party it has become.

 

[calamity]

I like Joe Manchin, he's an old leftover from the days of the yeller and blue dog Democrat and the original big tent Democratic party. Georgia has had some leftovers too in Zell Miller and Sam Nunn. Not anymore though. They've been driven from the democratic party. I do think Joe Biden is going to be the last of the Democratic Moderates to be nominated for president. You can bet your ranch that if Joe Manchin ran for the nomination he'd be laughed and driven off stage if not out of the party. You had another I really liked in Steve Bullock, former governor who is now running for the Montana senate seat. Forced out due to his failure to pass litmus tests.

Let's face, it won't be long when the Democratic Party is full of nothing but far leftist while the GOP is full of nothing more than far rightist. I fear for this nation's health. I liked the Democratic Party when they fought for the working man and not which bathroom a transgender can use. When the Democratic Party was pro defense being a military man all my life, not the peace dove party it has become.

Joe Manchin is a corporate whore, owned by big coal. I like AOC, she is of the people. Ironically, I probably agree with Joe's politics more than that of AOC. But, I prefer an honest pol to a whore anyday.

 

[Craig234]

What I see with this and several others is that the Democratic Party has no room for a moderate. It's either pass the progressive litmus test or be kicked out of the party.

A "moderate". That means, "a corporatist and plutocrat".

What does "moderate" mean? It means fight for there to be Americans without healthcare. It means fight to undertax wealthy Americans and corporations to keep our debt and inequality sky-high. It means fight for too little to be done to protect the climate, opposing the Green New Deal. It means fight to keep education unaffordable for many. What else does it mean? What are these horrors of the progressive platform?

It's no wonder independents who political ideology for the most part is somewhere in-between the two major parties are growing while the two major parties are shrinking. Both are getting rid of anyone who may be a moderate or who isn't an hard core ideologue.

Corporatists are ideologues as much or more as anyone else. Progressives are most informed, 'independents' are least informed, and Republicans are most mis-informed.

Party affiliation in 2006 was 37% Democrat, 31% Republican, 30% Independent. Today, or as of 4 Jun 2020 the numbers are 31% Democrat, 25% Republican and 40% independent. Not only are the two major parties losing members, many folks are defecting on their own. The problem with that is the two major parties have all the power, a monopoly in our two party electoral system. It doesn't matter if both parties shrink to 10%, they'll still control everything, they have a monopoly and are bound and determined to keep it. Our election laws are written by Republicans and Democrats and they write those laws as a mutual protection act. If there is one thing both major parties agree on, it's no viable third party will ever rise. They'll keep their monopoly by limiting the choices given to the American people.

You're not entirely wrong about the parties as far as their doing a lot to help themselves win and prevent viable third parties.

I'm AGAINST third parties politically, but I'm FOR them being treated more fairly, for reasons of democracy. Every state should enable ranked voting so third parties get a fair shot, and every American should fight to get money out of politics so that the government has a better chance to serve voters, not donors.

 

[Craig234]

You'd never know it.

He forgot the space. He meant, he loves "his story". As in, he loves Brett Kavanaugh's story lying about his history, he loves trump's story lying about nearly everything, etc.

 

[post]

Joe Manchin is a corporate whore, owned by big coal. I like AOC, she is of the people. Ironically, I probably agree with Joe's politics more than that of AOC. But, I prefer an honest pol to a whore anyday.

Sen. Manchin "represents" constituents of the first or second most poverty stricken states in the U.S., Sen. McConnell, the other.

AOC represents one of the (Bronx portions) poorest districts in the country, burdened with the added obstacle of racial disparity, compared to the demographics of WV or KY.

I've wanted to pose this question to those who are so dismissive of AOC. How would you represent the residents of AOC's district, more like her predecessor, Joe Crowley? Why? How do you justify your approach?

BTW, a quick search, probably not precise, display's Crowley's net worth at $48 million.
AOC didn't have the amount of money necessary to arrange a lease for a residence in D.C. until she took office.
She doesn't represent you, she is a lioness on behalf of her constituents. Stop judging her.
Explain how the U.S. would be worse, for the living conditions and upward mobility potential of the vast majority in this country, if much of her agenda was actually implemented?

Nuts, and bolts, responses, please, and not Trump party talking points! For that matter, how would the majority of West Virginians fare any worse than they do now, if AOC were to represent one of that state's poorer districts?

https://theintercept.com/2018/06/14/joe-crowley-congress-new-york/

HOW PEOPLE CLOSE TO JOE CROWLEY HAVE GOTTEN RICH WHILE THE QUEENS BOSS HAS RISEN IN CONGRESS
Rep. Joe Crowley’s political empire has enriched his associates — particularly his lobbyist brother.
Lee Fang
June 14 2018, 11:05 a.m.

 

[Craig234]

Um, Gabbard said she was not running for re-election. She was not on the ballot. This was the expected result for a long time. Looks like the winner is a progressive, good news.

 

[Perotista]

Joe Manchin is a corporate whore, owned by big coal. I like AOC, she is of the people. Ironically, I probably agree with Joe's politics more than that of AOC. But, I prefer an honest pol to a whore anyday.

AOC politics is way too far left for me, Manchin's is right on. But to each their own. Politics is all about personal perspectives. To be honest, there isn't many issues that get my hackles up. But I always come down more toward the middle than either the far left or the far right. I believe in compromise and bipartisanship where possible. But then again, I'm not an ideologue for either side.

 

[CaughtInThe]

yup she had it coming. no room for sane democrats in the new democratic party.

did you vote for Trump?

 

[Craig234]

Politics is all about personal perspectives.

What does that even mean? Whatever it means, politics is not that, it is the way society decides to distribute wealth, who the rules serve, and the distribution of power.

But then again, I'm not an ideologue for either side.

The very fact you say that, is because you are an ideologue for the so-called corporatist moderates, who think only the 'left' and the 'right' can be ideologues - your phrase "either" side when there are more than two.

 

[post]

AOC politics is way too far left for me, Manchin's is right on. But to each their own. Politics is all about personal perspectives. To be honest, there isn't many issues that get my hackles up. But I always come down more toward the middle than either the far left or the far right. I believe in compromise and bipartisanship where possible. But then again, I'm not an ideologue for either side.

Politics is the only other relief, if history is a guide, of a trend like this, other than bullets. The vast majority already has extremely little left to lose.
Maybe you just can't see that, from your window.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...s-private-equity-firms-just-see-dollar-signs/
Opinions
Families see a looming catastrophe. Private equity firms see dollar signs.

Opinion by Elizabeth Warren and Carroll Fife
August 6, 2020 at 4:38 p.m. EDT

...… The Wall Street Journal recently reported
Real-Estate Investors Eye Potential Bonanza in Distressed Sales - WSJ

that investors are “preparing for what they believe could be a once-in-a generation opportunity to buy distressed real-estate assets at bargain prices.” This profiteering is far from “once-in-a-generation” though: It’s straight out of private equity’s playbook during the 2008 financial crisis. We all know what happened then: Homeowners targeted by predatory mortgages lost their homes to foreclosure, and private equity swept in to buy those homes at depressed prices. Communities of color were hit fastest and hardest. Just a handful of years after Black homeownership hit its highest point, the devastating waves of foreclosures wiped out nearly all of the growth in Black homeownership since the Fair Housing Act repealed Jim Crow redlining in 1968. …...

 

[Perotista]

A "moderate". That means, "a corporatist and plutocrat".

What does "moderate" mean? It means fight for there to be Americans without healthcare. It means fight to undertax wealthy Americans and corporations to keep our debt and inequality sky-high. It means fight for too little to be done to protect the climate, opposing the Green New Deal. It means fight to keep education unaffordable for many. What else does it mean? What are these horrors of the progressive platform?



Corporatists are ideologues as much or more as anyone else. Progressives are most informed, 'independents' are least informed, and Republicans are most mis-informed.



You're not entirely wrong about the parties as far as their doing a lot to help themselves win and prevent viable third parties.

I'm AGAINST third parties politically, but I'm FOR them being treated more fairly, for reasons of democracy. Every state should enable ranked voting so third parties get a fair shot, and every American should fight to get money out of politics so that the government has a better chance to serve voters, not donors.

A moderate doesn't mean a corporatist. It means having a more of a middle way between two extremist ideas. It can also mean siding with the Democratic Party on several issues while siding with the Republican party on several other issues. This latter would best describe me.

I too would like money out of politics. That isn't about to happen as both parties owe their hearts and souls to corporations, wall street firms, lobbyists, special interests and mega money donors. That's where they get their tens and hundreds of millions of dollars to run their campaigns and organizations.

Where do you think Hillary got most of her 1.191 billion for her campaign in 2016?

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

44 million from Lobbyist, 118 million from Wall street, 33 million from the health care industry 57 million from single issue groups and so on. Trump raised and spent 646.8 million. 2016 was the first time since 1964 where a presidential candidate won that didn't spend the most money.

 

[Craig234]

A moderate doesn't mean a corporatist. It means having a more of a middle way between two extremist ideas. It can also mean siding with the Democratic Party on several issues while siding with the Republican party on several other issues. This latter would best describe me.

Yes, it does, generally. But you again show how you are an ideologue by calling people with other opinions extremists.

I too would like money out of politics. That isn't about to happen as both parties owe their hearts and souls to corporations, wall street firms, lobbyists, special interests and mega money donors. That's where they get their tens and hundreds of millions of dollars to run their campaigns and organizations.

Where do you think Hillary got most of her 1.191 billion for her campaign in 2016?

44 million from Lobbyist, 118 million from Wall street, 33 million from the health care industry 57 million from single issue groups and so on. Trump raised and spent 646.8 million. 2016 was the first time since 1964 where a presidential candidate won that didn't spend the most money.

That's an area we can agree, but it takes fighting for it, recognizing that the real issue is plutocracy and the corruption it causes, and that the only political faction actually fighting against money in politics are the progressives you hate so much. You want 'part corrupt Republicans, part corrupt Democrats', yet you say you hate the progressives who oppose money in politics which is what you want.