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Burning your own flag is freedom of speech. Burning your neighbors is vandalism

A whole two conservatives wrote that, huh? A site of over 30,000 members and a whole two wrote that? Wow, I guess that settles it. Conservatives are lawless authoritarians. Now, we can move on to the less important stuff.
 
AProudLefty said:
I am not talking about rights. I am not talking about free speech. I am talking about SPEECH itself. Some vandalism is a form of speech or a message. In this case, it is a form of hate speech, telling the Jews something at the synagogue.
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Conservatives don't consider vandalism is free speech, unless it's a tea party...
 
independentusa said:
I have seen at least two cons writing that taking a knife to the Baby Trump should be covered under free speech, but it is not. SCOTUS has spoken that when you burn your own flag it is covered by the 1st Amendment to the constitution as free speech. To desecrate your neighbors flag is a violation of the law. So when you take a knife to baby Trump you have violated the law, unless you own the balloon. It would never be covered by the 1st Amendment.
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Wait - what if I always "borrow" stuff & then never return it?

Is it okay to burn the flag then?

:confused:
 
Tanngrisnir said:
LOL! That's just what someone who pathologically hates the truth would post.

Thanks for proving my point, each and every time.
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One day you'll wake up, and no one will care.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
LOL! That's just what someone who pathologically hates the truth would post.

Thanks for proving my point, each and every time.
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I have written my last message to the oldfatguy as he seems to know little about the law and is no longer worth the effort of writing even one word to him. I would suggest you do the same and maybe he will go back to where he came from.
 
3leftsdoo said:
Wait - what if I always "borrow" stuff & then never return it?

Is it okay to burn the flag then?

:confused:
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Maybe i am getting old, but what you wrote made no sense to me at all. First, I have never burned a flag. I was in the military and come from a military family and have great respect for our flag. But I took an oath to uphold our constitution and I continue to do so. When you burn your own flag that is FREE SPEECH, whether you like it or not and insuring people can use their 1st Amendment rights is one of the things people in this country join the military. Just as they do for the rest of the constitution.
 
independentusa said:
I have written my last message to the oldfatguy as he seems to know little about the law and is no longer worth the effort of writing even one word to him. I would suggest you do the same and maybe he will go back to where he came from.
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Thank you. Now I feel blessed. :rofl
 
OldFatGuy said:
They both are wrong.
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You may think they are both wrong but only one is illegal which is the situation where they knifed the trump balloon.

If you get provoked from a legal action so that you perform an illegal action in response, YOU are the problem.
 
Praxas said:
You may think they are both wrong but only one is illegal which is the situation where they knifed the trump balloon.

If you get provoked from a legal action so that you perform an illegal action in response, YOU are the problem.
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Show me where I stated anything judging legality of either action. We choose to live by the laws of the land, but law is not everything.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Show me where I stated anything judging legality of either action. We choose to live by the laws of the land, but law is not everything.
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You talked about being provoked as an excuse for illegal acts such as this one. And if you wind up in jail for being provoked, that’s on you.
 
independentusa said:
Maybe i am getting old, but what you wrote made no sense to me at all. First, I have never burned a flag. I was in the military and come from a military family and have great respect for our flag. But I took an oath to uphold our constitution and I continue to do so. When you burn your own flag that is FREE SPEECH, whether you like it or not and insuring people can use their 1st Amendment rights is one of the things people in this country join the military. Just as they do for the rest of the constitution.
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Well, I'm keeping the lawnmower!
 
AProudLefty said:
Destruction of property may not be a free speech, but it's a speech all right. It sends a specific message.
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It can be speech and vandalism. They won't prosecute the speech part but you are on your own with the vandalism charge. The answer is to buy the baby trump balloon then knife it but the entrepreneur who produced it, gets his piece of the action called profit each time you do as does the guy who stocks in on the shelves.

They may be the biggest fans of this trend.
 
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Praxas said:
You talked about being provoked as an excuse for illegal acts such as this one. And if you wind up in jail for being provoked, that’s on you.
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Not quite. I spoke of provocation for the purpose of creating violent responses. To assume or claim the response lies solely on the provoked party is hypocritical.

During the late 1930's, Hitler and his Nazis provoked violent scenarios in nations they intended to conquer, at times staging entirely fake incidents. Would you claim the onus was on the targeted nations? Extremists of the right and the left use the same tactics, here and now. I do not respect your simplistic response.
 
independentusa said:
Yeah, I do not believe you.
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I don't care what you believe. I suffer all that comes with her presence in my life, good and bad, and the grandkids getting their grubby, greasy hands on everything as they demand "Grandpa, buy me........" They give me the reasons to continue living, and enjoying my life, with no political pretensions and excuses of convenience for the sake of making an argument.

Members of my family, including myself and my sons, have fought in every war of this country since the French Indian wars. Such has value only to me and mine. And it bolsters no political arguments, nor my perceptions of this world we all share. If anything I find acknowledgement of personal service both embarrassing and insincere. Of no more value than an "I'm sorry" when someone bumps into be at the always crowded local Trader Joe's. We both know it is a lie. And I always respond "No you are not." Which often brings a smile and a chuckle.

Your frustration is duly noted. :doh
 
Tanngrisnir said:
LOL! Sorry you hate the truth so much.

It can set you free, you know.
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It has failed for you, but then what do you know of truth? Your empty insults are all that you have. So pathetic. So childish.
 
independentusa said:
I have seen at least two cons writing that taking a knife to the Baby Trump should be covered under free speech, but it is not. SCOTUS has spoken that when you burn your own flag it is covered by the 1st Amendment to the constitution as free speech. To desecrate your neighbors flag is a violation of the law. So when you take a knife to baby Trump you have violated the law, unless you own the balloon. It would never be covered by the 1st Amendment.
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The constitution gives us the right to use our voice and speak. What is the purpose of burning the flag.

Yes, destroying your neighbors property is a crime.
Are you going to burn someone’s barn down if he has a campaign sign supporting Trump on the side of his barn? That is not freedom of speech, it’s anarchy.
 
Praxas said:
The sad part is this is one of those REALLY REALLY simple concepts that they should know and understand...…...but they don't.
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If you start listing all of the REALLY REALLY simple concepts that they should know and understand--but don't--you find your list becoming ridiculously long ridiculously fast.

It's a critical thinking problem. Gullibility is involved. We are seeing now what happens, in my opinion, when a brain is jackhammered with propaganda for decades by Fox News and the blubbery idiocy of Sean Hannity and their gaggle of obese white dudes who think sexual assault is okay as long as they're the ones doing it.

Rage plays a role. Feelings of impotence.

There's lots of conservative screaming at the TV set.

Let's not think about them. Soon, that will be a luxury that we can enjoy again.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Not quite. I spoke of provocation for the purpose of creating violent responses. To assume or claim the response lies solely on the provoked party is hypocritical.

During the late 1930's, Hitler and his Nazis provoked violent scenarios in nations they intended to conquer, at times staging entirely fake incidents. Would you claim the onus was on the targeted nations? Extremists of the right and the left use the same tactics, here and now. I do not respect your simplistic response.
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"She shouldn't have worn that dress."
 
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