Burning building in Sao Paulo collapses

[Lethargic Aptitude]

So it turns out that fire can make a building collapse without jetfuel or nao-thermite/mini nuke/aliens. And the building looked like it fell at a free fall. https://www.wthr.com/article/watch-burning-building-collapses-in-brazil
Im sure that truthers/CT crowd will make excuses probably even blame the US for this too. But the rest of us know that your argument which were stupid to start with are now even more stupid.


Burning building in Sao Paulo collapses; at least 1 dead | 980 CJME

"SAO PAULO — An abandoned high-rise building occupied by squatters in downtown Sao Paulo caught fire and collapsed Tuesday, sending chunks of fiery debris crashing into neighbouring buildings and surrounding streets.

Firefighters said at least one person had been killed in the collapse and that there could be more.

The building, a former federal police headquarters, caught fire around 1:30 a.m. local time. Firefighters set up a perimeter and worked to evacuate people.

A few hours later, as flames engulfed the building, which was at least 20 stories, it collapsed. Globo TV, which was covering the fire, captured the destruction. Images showed the floors falling on themselves like dominoes and debris flying in all directions.

Romulo de Souza, 49, said he was part of a squatter occupation in the neighbouring building. He said that when the fire began on the fourth floor, families began evacuating."

The building before..was a metal structure.

 

[mike2810]

Maybe AE911T (Gage, Tony Sz) will petition the Brazilian government to make sure they check for explosives. AE911T most likely believes fire could not have taken the building down. Therefore it had to be something else (CD).

IF THEY did it. Maybe someone should look into who died. Could it be the fire was to cover up the murder? Maybe, THEY conducted another false flag operations. Let the conspiracy theories flow. For some it will not matter what the investigation finds. Some just know THEY did it.:lamo

 

[gerrycan]

I don't think I would quite describe it as a steel framed building as such. More like cantilievered floors supported by a disused elevator shaft, with a curtain wall perimeter.

 

[mike2810]

I don't think I would quite describe it as a steel framed building as such. More like cantilievered floors supported by a disused elevator shaft, with a curtain wall perimeter.
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Heck the building was not being used. So what is the importance of the "disused elevator shaft"?

Please provide sources you have on the building construction. Thanks.

 

[gerrycan]

Heck the building was not being used. So what is the importance of the "disused elevator shaft"?

Please provide sources you have on the building construction. Thanks.

Apparently the building had quite a few homeless people in it, and when I said disused, I mean that the elevators had been removed. It was a former police HQ up until 10 or so years ago and looks seriously run down in videos taken over the past few years. "Roger Zmekhol" designed it and it was known as "Wilton Paes de Almeida Building".

Here's some footage of it.
https://youtu.be/hB5fCH2-EMY

 

[gerrycan]

Apologies - Here's a working link to the video https://youtu.be/CTRbTzzW2PA

 

[Thoreau72]

I don't think I would quite describe it as a steel framed building as such. More like cantilievered floors supported by a disused elevator shaft, with a curtain wall perimeter.
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Don't rain on their parade. The apostles of the OCT need this desperately, and they are not interested in relevant facts.

 

[mike2810]

Don't rain on their parade. The apostles of the OCT need this desperately, and they are not interested in relevant facts.

You do realize AE911T (Gage Tony Sz) are ignoring the "relevant facts" that you accept regarding the use of mini nukes on 9/11. :lamo

 

[gerrycan]

Mike, you always seem very keen to try and rip the piss out of people, myself included. But you never actually land a blow of your own. Take the other thread about the trusses for example. You were really quick to jump on Gamolon's bandwagon there, but now you seem to have run out of road. No doubt if Gamolon recovers from getting his ass handed to him yet again and returns to it, you'll pop up too, like a cheerleader. Never actually demonstrating the ability to contribute to the "game".

Maybe you could give your opinion on the elevations of this building and dazzle us with your piercing insight....

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

I don't think I would quite describe it as a steel framed building as such. More like cantilievered floors supported by a disused elevator shaft, with a curtain wall perimeter.
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I would call that an excuse. Non the less the building was indeed made out of steel and concrete and obviously glass. The building did not fall down until a fire brought it down. No silly conspiracy theory to deny reality. Fire can indeed make a building fall down at what appeared to also be at a free fall. This building shoots down all 9/11 conspiracy theories about how all the buildings in NYC fell.

By next week there will be some crazy conspiracy theories for this building. The thing is that its all crazy talk and worse; disinformation promoted by the US's enemies.

 

[gerrycan]

I would call that an excuse. Non the less the building was indeed made out of steel and concrete and obviously glass. The building did not fall down until a fire brought it down. No silly conspiracy theory to deny reality. Fire can indeed make a building fall down at what appeared to also be at a free fall. This building shoots down all 9/11 conspiracy theories about how all the buildings in NYC fell.

By next week there will be some crazy conspiracy theories for this building. The thing is that its all crazy talk and worse; disinformation promoted by the US's enemies.

You can call it whatever you like and there may well be "crazy conspiracy theories" by next week, but this structural failure in no way, shape or form shoots down anything to do with the very real issues that continue to be raised wrt the 3 buildings that collapsed on 911. It is simply not in the same ball park structurally.

Here's another couple of drawings of the Sao Paulo building.




Point out the similarities between this and any of the 3 WTC buildings for me.

 

[Thoreau72]

Details, details, Gerry.

Can't we just ignore the details? It's much easier you know.

 

[mike2810]

Details, details, Gerry.

Can't we just ignore the details? It's much easier you know.

Hell froze over. We agree again. Seems some ignore the details.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

You can call it whatever you like and there may well be "crazy conspiracy theories" by next week, but this structural failure in no way, shape or form shoots down anything to do with the very real issues that continue to be raised wrt the 3 buildings that collapsed on 911. It is simply not in the same ball park structurally.

Here's another couple of drawings of the Sao Paulo building.
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Point out the similarities between this and any of the 3 WTC buildings for me.

The 3 WTC buildings were made of steel and concrete. SO was this building. Of course this building isnt exactly like the other three. You pointing that out has no bearing on whether a fire can bring down a high rise building made of steel and concrete.

The conspiracy nut argument has been that none of the WTC buildings should have collapsed due to fire. The argument is all over this forum claiming that the fires were never hot enough to cause structural failure. Yet here is a building that is not made of anything but steel and concrete and a fire weakened it structural and caused the building to collapse. So you cannot argue that fire cannot cause structural failure (no matter the difference in floor plans).


BTW showing a these architectural blueprints isnt backing your denial. You would need to actually say something with it. But face it you dont know enough to explain it do you?

 

[psikeyhackr]

Why was the building abandoned long before this event?

 

[zyzygy]

Why was the building abandoned long before this event?

Gee, you're right. Buildings are never abandoned.

 

[gerrycan]

The 3 WTC buildings were made of steel and concrete. SO was this building.

SO is my greenhouse, but it's not a steel framed high rise either.

Of course this building isnt exactly like the other three. You pointing that out has no bearing on whether a fire can bring down a high rise building made of steel and concrete.

That's not the claim though. The claim is that a high rise steel frame over 15 storeys has never collapsed due to fire, and that claim was made by Shyam Sunder, of NIST.

The conspiracy nut argument has been that none of the WTC buildings should have collapsed due to fire. The argument is all over this forum claiming that the fires were never hot enough to cause structural failure. Yet here is a building that is not made of anything but steel and concrete and a fire weakened it structural and caused the building to collapse. So you cannot argue that fire cannot cause structural failure (no matter the difference in floor plans).

Again, not a steel frame high rise. You don't understand what a steel framed high rise is, clearly.

BTW showing a these architectural blueprints isnt backing your denial. You would need to actually say something with it. But face it you dont know enough to explain it do you?

Have a look at the drawings and at the building again. What % of the exterior steel in the Sao Paulo building went to ground directly ? THAT will tell you the difference.

NIST's claim of no steel framed high rise ever having collapsed soley due to fire remains valid, despite you arguing against the agency who's story you are trying to spport.

 

[gerrycan]

Why was the building abandoned long before this event?

I think they built a new HQ for law enforcement. It was actually quite a nice building originally. Always sad to see such buildings being left to decay like this. There was talk of refurbishing it in 2008 seemingly, but I believe the high cost was deemed prohibitive.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

SO is my greenhouse, but it's not a steel framed high rise either.




That's not the claim though. The claim is that a high rise steel frame over 15 storeys has never collapsed due to fire, and that claim was made by Shyam Sunder, of NIST.



Again, not a steel frame high rise. You don't understand what a steel framed high rise is, clearly.




Have a look at the drawings and at the building again. What % of the exterior steel in the Sao Paulo building went to ground directly ? THAT will tell you the difference.

NIST's claim of no steel framed high rise ever having collapsed soley due to fire remains valid, despite you arguing against the agency who's story you are trying to spport.

So you are trying to tell me that this highrise 26 story building wasnt made of steel framing? FFS the structure of the building was metal with concrete slabs.

But you will as most CT people will just now make up **** and continue dishonest BS conversations. Which you already have started doing in our conversation. DO NOT try to pretend that you are some kind of expert, you are not, you are just some conspiracy theorist on the internet.

The fact is that this building was made out of steel and concrete slabs. Wood structures built by the squatters were able to weaken the steel and collapse the structure. I did not make no claim about anything other than this steel framed building collapsed do to fire. I did not mention the NIST, its report or any of those talking point s that you attempted to assign to me. But since you mentioned the NIST, I would by far trust their report over a bunch stupid idiotic conspiracy theorists who cannot even deal with reality in a normal fashion. I mean we saw the planes strike the buildings and then they fell. We did not see any of the crazy crap that conspiracy theorists imagined. Now I am sure that you disagree but I dont actually care if you disagree or agree. I am not going to lower myself to your level to discuss senseless made up crap.

 

[gerrycan]

So you are trying to tell me that this highrise 26 story building wasnt made of steel framing? FFS the structure of the building was metal with concrete slabs.

But you will as most CT people will just now make up **** and continue dishonest BS conversations. Which you already have started doing in our conversation. DO NOT try to pretend that you are some kind of expert, you are not, you are just some conspiracy theorist on the internet.

The fact is that this building was made out of steel and concrete slabs. Wood structures built by the squatters were able to weaken the steel and collapse the structure. I did not make no claim about anything other than this steel framed building collapsed do to fire. I did not mention the NIST, its report or any of those talking point s that you attempted to assign to me. But since you mentioned the NIST, I would by far trust their report over a bunch stupid idiotic conspiracy theorists who cannot even deal with reality in a normal fashion. I mean we saw the planes strike the buildings and then they fell. We did not see any of the crazy crap that conspiracy theorists imagined. Now I am sure that you disagree but I dont actually care if you disagree or agree. I am not going to lower myself to your level to discuss senseless made up crap.

This was a REINFORCED CONCRETE core system with cantilievered floors. NOT a high rise steel frame.
The perimeter steels weren't load bearing.

You do not understand what a high rise steel framed building is - THAT is the problem here.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

This was a REINFORCED CONCRETE core system with cantilievered floors. NOT a high rise steel frame.
The perimeter steels weren't load bearing.

You do not understand what a high rise steel framed building is - THAT is the problem here.

The idiot part is that a core system is what the Twin towers were. But hey your the one pretending to be an expert. lol.

 

[gerrycan]

The idiot part is that a core system is what the Twin towers were. But hey your the one pretending to be an expert. lol.

The WTC twin towers had a STEEL CORE.

WTC7 had a STEEL CORE.

The Wilton Paes de Almeida Building in Sao Paulo had a REINFORCED CONCRETE CORE.

What bit of that are you having trouble with ??

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

Actual experts say this:"Experts say the heat of the flames can soften the structures and foundations of a building, causing it to collapse - a process that led to the collapse of the Twin Towers in New York in 2001.

According to Paulo Helene, a professor of engineering at USP, the Wilton Paes de Almeida building had metallic pillars, structures that were not very resistant to fire, and did not have elements of thermal protection that are common today in buildings of this type.

Firefighters who tried to put out the fire in the building in São Paulo say that the heat of the flames exceeded 400 degrees Celsius. They say there was a lot of flammable material in the building, which would have made it difficult to contain the fire."

https://translate.google.com/transl...1d03973b763aad8831edit7eki1e.html&prev=search

So 752f is strong enough to weaken steel and cause structural damage and collapse.


Again thanx for the idiotic comments from armchair conspriacy theorists. But this was indeed a steel structure that experts say fell down for the same reason that the twin towers fell.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

The WTC twin towers had a STEEL CORE.

WTC7 had a STEEL CORE.

The Wilton Paes de Almeida Building in Sao Paulo had a REINFORCED CONCRETE CORE.

What bit of that are you having trouble with ??

Just stop I dont believe your ignorant rants

 

[gerrycan]

The idiot part is that a core system is what the Twin towers were. But hey your the one pretending to be an expert. lol.

The perimeter columns in the WTC twin towers were LOAD BEARING.

The perimeter columns in WTC7 were LOAD BEARING.

The perimeter of the Wilton Paes de Almeida Building was NOT LOAD BEARING.

What part of that are you having trouble with ??