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Building 7 . . .

Re: High School Teacher BUTCHERS NIST WTC 7 Report

mike, please stop with this oh so lame dog and pony show. You know, as it has been repeatedly explained to you, that science is all about disagreement. Why don't you tackle the sycophantic agreement of the totally rigged 911 Ommission Commission and the NIST "studies"?

No, you and others have not really explained it. You always go back to "it was not fire"

So the studies were "rigged". Really. What evidence you got on that.
 
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There is no evidence of anything other than fire induced collapse.

You are illustrating, in spades, Quag, what I have long described. You guys are scared ****less of discussing anything because you will catch yourselves out so quickly, just as you have done in this crazily disjointed "post" of yours. A body can't make heads nor tails of what you are mumbling on about.

You lie, in a baldfaced fashion, above. There is a two year study, of which you are fully aware, that says there is ZERO chance of WTC 7 coming down by fire. You guys don't address NIST's many lies which have been placed squarely in front of you many times - no shear studs; non-composite floors; no web stiffeners; 5.25 inches changed to 6.25 inches when NIST realized they needed more beam movement. NIST created a fiction and moved the goalposts numerous times to accomodate their "science".


So we know there was fires that lasted 7 hours and that the firefighters saw signs of instability before the collapse.
Unless you have evidence that it was something other than fire then the only logical conclusion is that it was the fires. Because ALL the evidence points to the fires.

Another bald faced lie. There were not fires that lasted 7 hours, there were normal office fires that burned as normal office fires do, for about 20 minutes until the available fuel is used up, then they move on. Nobody in their right mind would suggest that a 20 minute fire on insulated steel could cause much heating at all, let alone enough to cause catastrophic failure, AT FREE FALL SPEED! Simply ludicrous, right Quag?

NOT FINDING SOMETHING IS NOT EVIDENCE THAT IT WASNT FIRE INDUCED COLLAPSE

But not having any evidence for it being fire induced collapse is proof that it wasn't fire induced collapse. Below normal office fires cannot magically cause WTC7 to fall at free fall when much worse fires have never caused any collapse, ever! Let alone the absolutely impossible symmetrical free fall collapse.

So either you dont do logic (very strong probability you are a truther after all) or you based your conclusions on something OTHER than the evidence

I hate to inform you, Quag, but you have kept your record perfectly intact - another evidence free post!

Congratulations!!!
 
Re: High School Teacher BUTCHERS NIST WTC 7 Report

No, you and others have not really explained it. You always go back to "it was not fire"

So the studies were "rigged". Really. What evidence you got on that.

Somebody told him, isn't that enough?
 
Re: High School Teacher BUTCHERS NIST WTC 7 Report

The difference I have seen is the fire induced collapse explanations use words like "most probable".,

False, mike, and you know it is false. FEMA stated;

“The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence .”

Where the controlled demolition explanations seem to state it was CD.

That is because it was a CD, which the scientific evidence shows, and NIST's and FEMA's lies and unscientific hedging/lies show the USGOCT is bogus.

Nice dodge though.

From Mr Dodge himself.
 
Re: High School Teacher BUTCHERS NIST WTC 7 Report

Somebody told him, isn't that enough?

I hate to inform you, Quag/zyzygy/mike/gamolon,... , but you have kept your record perfectly intact - another evidence free post!
 
Re: High School Teacher BUTCHERS NIST WTC 7 Report

No, you and others have not really explained it. You always go back to "it was not fire"

So the studies were "rigged". Really. What evidence you got on that.

That is how CT's work, no matter what you say or do or produce to them, they have to come up with ways to discount it. Usually its just smears of the people who debunked their claims, or the more overreaching assaults on main stream media or the government.

Its a coping mechanism.
 
Re: High School Teacher BUTCHERS NIST WTC 7 Report

That is how

Another evidence free post, bh. You whine about no evidence then you never provide any.
 
Re: High School Teacher BUTCHERS NIST WTC 7 Report

There is no evidence of anything other than fire induced collapse.
That is where you are wrong.

If that was true, you would post some evidence of the fire induced collapse.

So we know there was fires that lasted 7 hours and that the firefighters saw signs of instability before the collapse.
7 hours fires don't equate to a building collapse.

And building instability is independent of wether fire or explosives made it that way.
Unless you have evidence that it was something other than fire then the only logical conclusion is that it was the fires. Because ALL the evidence points to the fires.
So if all the evidence points to fire....why don't you post ALL the evidence you claim to have.

Is it because...THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF THE EFFECTED HEAT WEAKENED STEEL??

NOT FINDING SOMETHING IS NOT EVIDENCE THAT IT WASNT FIRE INDUCED COLLAPSE
Oh and using the same piece of strange Quag logic....NOT FINDING SOMETHING IS NOT EVIDENCE THAT IT WASNT A CD COLLAPSE.

You see how stupid that argument would sound if I had made it?

Yet you made it but hilariously, you don't realise that you sound exactly like the truthers you claims to despise! :lamo

So either you dont do logic (very strong probability you are a truther after all) or you based your conclusions on something OTHER than the evidence
Is doing logic....NOT FINDING SOMETHING IS NOT EVIDENCE THAT IT WASNT FIRE INDUCED COLLAPSE.... or....NOT FINDING SOMETHING IS NOT EVIDENCE THAT IT WASNT A CD COLLAPSE. :lamo
 
Re: High School Teacher BUTCHERS NIST WTC 7 Report

The difference I have seen is the fire induced collapse explanations use words like "most probable".,
So if somone stuck the word "most probable" on a CD explanation, that would suffice for you??
Where the controlled demolition explanations seem to state it was CD.
Well I don't state it was a CD, I just think it was "most probable"
Nice dodge though. Thanks for not answering the question.
It's not a dodge, I can't answer your questions because I don't know the answers.

I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of your own position.

You demand specifics for a CD theory while your own OCT theory which you believe in.....lacks specifics. :lamo
 
Re: High School Teacher BUTCHERS NIST WTC 7 Report

Another evidence free post, bh. You whine about no evidence then you never provide any.

We gave you the links that debunk all your CT nonsense.

You are the one providing fantasy "evidence" of a farcical conspiracy.
 
Re: High School Teacher BUTCHERS NIST WTC 7 Report

That is how CT's work, no matter what you say or do or produce to them, they have to come up with ways to discount it.
You have had ample opportunity to present it and you have failed.

Instead of learning from your failures, you seem to be intent on repeating past mistakes by giving us your opinion on twoofers, which nobody cares about.
Usually its just smears of the people who debunked their claims, or the more overreaching assaults on main stream media or the government.

Its a coping mechanism.
I would ask what you think you have debunked but some pantomime debunkers suffer from grand delusions as they continue on a journey of self discovery, travelling on a ever increasing perpetual circluar path of ever increasing dumb.

Anyway, this thread is about WTC 7, its not about your opinion or mine for that matter.

So are you going to add something relevant or give us more of your opinion on twoofers, which only you seem to care about??
 
Re: High School Teacher BUTCHERS NIST WTC 7 Report

You have had ample opportunity to present it and you have failed.

Instead of learning from your failures, you seem to be intent on repeating past mistakes by giving us your opinion on twoofers, which nobody cares about.
I would ask what you think you have debunked but some pantomime debunkers suffer from grand delusions as they continue on a journey of self discovery, travelling on a ever increasing perpetual circluar path of ever increasing dumb.

Anyway, this thread is about WTC 7, its not about your opinion or mine for that matter.

So are you going to add something relevant or give us more of your opinion on twoofers, which only you seem to care about??

Guess you miss where I linked it.
 
Re: High School Teacher BUTCHERS NIST WTC 7 Report

We gave you the links that debunk all your CT nonsense.

You are the one providing fantasy "evidence" of a farcical conspiracy.

Links can't possibly help those who don't understand. Help us become more knowledgeable like you, bh.

Help Quag out with the incredible dilemma he has gotten himself into, beef.

Find and post some evidence for "THE EVIDENCE OF THE EFFECTED HEAT WEAKENED STEEL".

Shouldn't NIST have provided such evidence considering they were charged with discovering how the three towers fell?

Show us that you can explain the Crush Down, Crush Up Theory and explain how it is relevant and accurate when measured against Newton's Laws of Motion.
 
Re: High School Teacher BUTCHERS NIST WTC 7 Report

Guess you miss where I linked it.

I guess I did too, bh, so please provide a link to "it" again, and explain what "it" actually is.
 
Re: High School Teacher BUTCHERS NIST WTC 7 Report

Guess you miss where I linked it.
You keep repeating this. Wouldn't be easier for you to post the link I am suppose to have missed so that we can discuss WTC7??

Or would you rather just carry on giving us your opinions on da toofin toofers? Which nobody gives a crap about, except for you?
 
Re: High School Teacher BUTCHERS NIST WTC 7 Report

Links can't possibly help those who don't understand.

Then, why do you use them?
 
Re: High School Teacher BUTCHERS NIST WTC 7 Report

I guess I did too, bh, so please provide a link to "it" again, and explain what "it" actually is.

You know where to find it.
 
Re: High School Teacher BUTCHERS NIST WTC 7 Report

You know where to find it.

He doesn't want to find it. Trutherism is moribund. No point in trying to discuss. Just let them waffle away to each other.
 
Re: High School Teacher BUTCHERS NIST WTC 7 Report

Then, why do you use them?

Your confusion is palpable. I mean your links, beef. You pretend you put forward evidence but you can't seem to discuss your "evidence" you can't explain how it is pertinent or even what it means.
 
Re: High School Teacher BUTCHERS NIST WTC 7 Report

He doesn't want to find it. Trutherism is moribund. No point in trying to discuss. Just let them waffle away to each other.

I thought you were retiring for the day, zyzygy. You really are quite the hypocrites, you lot, getting yourself in these quandaries with a speed that marvels.

Direct me to the link in question and I'll discuss it with you until it is finalized. How about that, zyzygy?
 
Re: High School Teacher BUTCHERS NIST WTC 7 Report

He doesn't want to find it. Trutherism is moribund. No point in trying to discuss. Just let them waffle away to each other.

The conspiracy folk are making up new lies about Las Vegas...its absolutely pathological.
 
Re: High School Teacher BUTCHERS NIST WTC 7 Report

Your confusion is palpable. I mean your links, beef. You pretend you put forward evidence but you can't seem to discuss your "evidence" you can't explain how it is pertinent or even what it means.

Posted them already.

Go find them...it would mean doing some actual research.
 
Re: High School Teacher BUTCHERS NIST WTC 7 Report

Posted them already.

Go find them...it would mean doing some actual research.

Naaaaa, that would mean that I would want to discuss them and I know that you, none of you are up for that. I'll just let you hang in your ignorance. You seem to be so comfortable there.
 
Re: High School Teacher BUTCHERS NIST WTC 7 Report

Naaaaa, that would mean that I would want to discuss them and I know that you, none of you are up for that. I'll just let you hang in your ignorance. You seem to be so comfortable there.

You can't discuss them, because they debunked all the silly 9/11 nonsense long ago.

Which is why, 16 years later, no one takes truthers seriously.
 
Re: High School Teacher BUTCHERS NIST WTC 7 Report

You can't discuss them, because they debunked all the silly 9/11 nonsense long ago.

Which is why, 16 years later, no one takes truthers seriously.

[smile]
 
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