Building 7 . . .

[MaggieD]

I just watched the footage of Bldg 7's collapse, the third tower to go down on 9/11.

Ive never looked into the conspiracy theory except to know there is one. Can those who are familiar please tell us what conventional wisdom says about this collapse? Do they postulate it was from damage done to it from ground vibration caused by the other two towers coming down? That's what logic tells me.

Had you forgotten this third tower fell? I had...

 

[Quag]

I just watched the footage of Bldg 7's collapse, the third tower to go down on 9/11.

Ive never looked into the conspiracy theory except to know there is one. Can those who are familiar please tell us what conventional wisdom says about this collapse? Do they postulate it was from damage done to it from ground vibration caused by the other two towers coming down? That's what logic tells me.

Had you forgotten this third tower fell? I had...

Conventional wisdom AKA reality says WTC7 collapsed due the damage done from the debris it was hit with fromt the other buildings and the unfought fires.
Truther fantasy is that it was brought down by some sort of controlled demolition. nanothermite, mini-nukes, plastic explosives, ray beam weaponst etc.

 

[MaggieD]

Conventional wisdom AKA reality says WTC7 collapsed due the damage done from the debris it was hit with fromt the other buildings and the unfought fires.
Truther fantasy is that it was brought down by some sort of controlled demolition. nanothermite, mini-nukes, plastic explosives, ray beam weaponst etc.

Phaser set on maximum?

 

[HowardBThiname]

I just watched the footage of Bldg 7's collapse, the third tower to go down on 9/11.

Ive never looked into the conspiracy theory except to know there is one. Can those who are familiar please tell us what conventional wisdom says about this collapse? Do they postulate it was from damage done to it from ground vibration caused by the other two towers coming down? That's what logic tells me.

Had you forgotten this third tower fell? I had...

My guess would be ground vibration, as you say, and/or falling debris.

 

[WCH]

Trump interview in this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFoarqaNjL8

 

[Thoreau72]

I just watched the footage of Bldg 7's collapse, the third tower to go down on 9/11.

Ive never looked into the conspiracy theory except to know there is one. Can those who are familiar please tell us what conventional wisdom says about this collapse? Do they postulate it was from damage done to it from ground vibration caused by the other two towers coming down? That's what logic tells me.

Had you forgotten this third tower fell? I had...

Forgotten about it? Hell, I never even knew it happened for about 4 years. If it had not been for a conversation with a total stranger at an airport snack bar, I would maybe still have never known about it.

Yes, WTC7 is the straw the broke the camel's back, as they say.

And a related story is how Rudy as Mayor fought for years to have WTC7 named as location for the EOC for NYC. The City Commission wanted it to be located elsewhere down by the wharves somewhere, but Mayor Rudy fought tooth & nail to have it located there.

I'm sure there is a reason for that.....

 

[cuban smokes]

I just watched the footage of Bldg 7's collapse, the third tower to go down on 9/11.

Ive never looked into the conspiracy theory except to know there is one. Can those who are familiar please tell us what conventional wisdom says about this collapse? Do they postulate it was from damage done to it from ground vibration caused by the other two towers coming down? That's what logic tells me.

Had you forgotten this third tower fell? I had...

I have witnessed a few building demos in my time. One of my favorites was the old Cotton Exchange building in downtown Dallas which I had a great view for from the 17th floor of a nearby building. What a show that was ..........

I saw WTC 7 fall in real time on live TV, as it occurred; there was no doubt (in my mind) as to what had just occurred & what I witnessed as it happened.
Cleanest & purest visual example of a "pulled" structure ................. just as Silverstein stated himself before WTC 7 became a pile of rubble ..........
The majority were fooled by the events of that day but then many were not.
If there ever was a 'smoking gun' for the events of that day, which there are quite a few, WTC 7 is certainly it.

YMMV .................

 

[mike2810]

I just watched the footage of Bldg 7's collapse, the third tower to go down on 9/11.

Ive never looked into the conspiracy theory except to know there is one. Can those who are familiar please tell us what conventional wisdom says about this collapse? Do they postulate it was from damage done to it from ground vibration caused by the other two towers coming down? That's what logic tells me.

Had you forgotten this third tower fell? I had...

I never forgot that WTC 1,2, and 7 collapsed that day.

There is plenty of CT sites with their own theories regarding WTC7. A couple of sites may be of interest to you. The first is an pretty good analysis of the collapse of all three buildings without stating the cause. It is more of an visual analysis.

A World Trade Center Collapse Investigative Resource - World Trade Center Evidence-Based Research

This site is another forum. It presents good discussion regarding the collapse of WTC 1,2 and 7. It is more analytical than what goes on here in DP.

The 9/11 Forum ? Index page

One thing that is clear in the 16 years since 9/11 not one concise controlled demolition explanation has been agreed upon by the CD supporters. That pretty much holds true for all of 9/11.
We have:
The jews did it, nope it was the US govt, nope it was OBL
There was no planes, holograms, planes, missiles that were used on WTC 1,2
The Pentagon was staged, hit by a missile, had a plane flyover, was hit by a passenger jet.
Flight 93 was shot down, a missile blew up in the field in Shankville, a passenger jet crashed.

We should research the event, look at the information and sources, and draw your own conclusion. I tend to look into what type of site is presenting the information and who made the vids being posted.

 

[<alt>doxygen]

I just watched the footage of Bldg 7's collapse, the third tower to go down on 9/11.

Ive never looked into the conspiracy theory except to know there is one. Can those who are familiar please tell us what conventional wisdom says about this collapse? Do they postulate it was from damage done to it from ground vibration caused by the other two towers coming down? That's what logic tells me.

Had you forgotten this third tower fell? I had...

Building 7? I did it. It was fun. Dick Cheney let me borrow the remote.:lamo

 

[Quag]

Phaser set on maximum?

Beam weapons is actually a claim some truthers have made about the collapses!
https://www.google.ca/search?source...sy-ab..13.4.1072...0j38j0i22i30k1.YLfJs7WnaB4

 

[MaggieD]

Beam weapons is actually a claim some truthers have made about the collapses!
https://www.google.ca/search?source...sy-ab..13.4.1072...0j38j0i22i30k1.YLfJs7WnaB4

I'm stunned, I tell ya'. Pun intended.

 

[Quag]

I have witnessed a few building demos in my time. One of my favorites was the old Cotton Exchange building in downtown Dallas which I had a great view for from the 17th floor of a nearby building. What a show that was ..........

I saw WTC 7 fall in real time on live TV, as it occurred; there was no doubt (in my mind) as to what had just occurred & what I witnessed as it happened.
Cleanest & purest visual example of a "pulled" structure ................. just as Silverstein stated himself before WTC 7 became a pile of rubble ..........
The majority were fooled by the events of that day but then many were not.
If there ever was a 'smoking gun' for the events of that day, which there are quite a few, WTC 7 is certainly it.

YMMV .................

The term pulled in demolotions doesnt mean what truthers want it to mean, The building was not pulled. Silverstien meant pulling the men out which any person not using ideology as a window to distort reality can tell.

 

[camlok]

Conventional wisdom AKA reality says WTC7 collapsed due the damage done from the debris it was hit with fromt the other buildings and the unfought fires.

What Quag fails to tell you, Maggie, is that fires have never before or since been able to cause the collapse of any steel framed high rise buildings. He also fails to tell you that NIST says the debris damage from WTC1 was not an important factor.

He also fails to tell you that WTC7 fell at free fall speed for its first 2.25 seconds, 105 feet, 8 storeys. That cannot happen in a fire induced gravity collapse. The structural components, the steel beams and girders have to be taken away before free fall can occur and the only thing known to we humans that can do that is controlled demolition.

Quag also fails to let you know that the steel of WTC7 was both melted and vaporized. "unfought fires" could burn for ten Maggie, Quag or my lifetimes and the steel could never be melted or vaporized.

Quag also failed to let you know that a two year study conducted at the Univ of Alaska, Fairbanks, has found that the NIST study of WTC7 was not only false but fraudulent.

Can you say that Quag is somebody you want when you seek the truth?

Truther fantasy is that it was brought down by some sort of controlled demolition. nanothermite, mini-nukes, plastic explosives, ray beam weaponst etc.

See what I mean, Maggie? Does the above seem like someone interested in the truth?

 

[camlok]

My guess would be ground vibration, as you say, and/or falling debris.

With all due respect, Howard, you really should try to get yourself a wee bit more informed. Earthquakes are very severe forms of ground vibration. WTCs 5 and 6 were all hit by the twin towers, all suffered massive debris damage, all were in full conflagration and they never collapsed.

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Why didn't WTC 5 collapse, or WTC 6 for that matter




The UofA-Fairbanks study looked at all these things. Their conclusion - the chance of the NIST report being accurate as regards WTC7 is, and I quote, "zero".

 

[camlok]

Phaser set on maximum?

But it totally misfired.

 

[camlok]

I never forgot that WTC 1,2, and 7 collapsed that day.


We should research the event, look at the information and sources, and draw your own conclusion. I tend to look into what type of site is presenting the information and who made the vids being posted.

This is sooooo typical of the USGOCT supporters' propaganda. They only seek to cloud the entire issue, throwing up as much smoke and mirrors as they can.

mike points the finger at everyone but the US government, whose own story has no evidence to back it up.

Remember, the 911 Commission, the one that was "set up to fail" by who? the chief suspects. Those same chief suspects set up the NIST investigation, which, among other bald faced lies, refused to look for explosives; NIST totally denied logic and reality by denying molten/vaporized steel, molten iron when it was described by FEMA, when it was seen flowing out of WTC2; NIST was caught out in their lie about WTC7 free fall and they had to admit they were wrong.

Free fall of WTC7 sinks the US government boat all by itself.

The supporters of the USGOCT have been repeatedly asked for evidence/proof to support their USGOCT but not a one has ever offered any. Why? Because they know there is none.

 

[camlok]

The term pulled in demolotions doesnt mean what truthers want it to mean, The building was not pulled. Silverstien meant pulling the men out which any person not using ideology as a window to distort reality can tell.

People who can spell and understand English grammar know that "... pull IT" does not refer to the plural "the men". Quag, one who represents that the truth is important to him ought not to speculate on such nebulous things especially when you draw false conclusions.

Silverstein's remarks are very strange indeed but they aren't proof of anything.

 

[Helix]

this level of structural damage + burning all day = collapse.

/thread

 

[mike2810]

This is sooooo typical of the USGOCT supporters' propaganda. They only seek to cloud the entire issue, throwing up as much smoke and mirrors as they can.

mike points the finger at everyone but the US government, whose own story has no evidence to back it up.

Remember, the 911 Commission, the one that was "set up to fail" by who? the chief suspects. Those same chief suspects set up the NIST investigation, which, among other bald faced lies, refused to look for explosives; NIST totally denied logic and reality by denying molten/vaporized steel, molten iron when it was described by FEMA, when it was seen flowing out of WTC2; NIST was caught out in their lie about WTC7 free fall and they had to admit they were wrong.

Free fall of WTC7 sinks the US government boat all by itself.

The supporters of the USGOCT have been repeatedly asked for evidence/proof to support their USGOCT but not a one has ever offered any. Why? Because they know there is none.

Would you quit lying. Your post shows what a typical liar does. Modifies a post and cherry picks statements. I answered the OP and provide two sources which are not the USGov she may find interesting.

camlok. you keep harping about the USGov supporters on not proving anything. I suggest you search this forum. There are many threads with the information you seek. I don't plan to rehash the topic again with you. Now, what you will find is you controlled demolitions supports have provided far less.

 

[Thoreau72]

It was the way that it collapsed that is important, just as Peter Jennings observed when it happened.

 

[camlok]

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this level of structural damage + burning all day = collapse.

/thread

That level of structural damage had zero to do with the collapse of WTC7. If it had had something to do with it, the building would likely have crumpled and toppled over, in a halting, highly irregular fashion.

WTC7 did not do that, did it, Helix? It collapsed straight down into its footprint in the manner the controlled demolition was set up for.

How do you explain the fact that WTC7 steel was melted and vaporized by a thermitic reaction? Office fires cannot melt or vaporize steel, nor can office fires create thermitic reactions. The nanothermite had to have been brought in by someone, and it wasn't Arab hijackers.

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Other Skyscraper Fires

Fires Have Never Caused Skyscrapers to Collapse

One Meridian Plaza fire
The One Meridian Plaza fire
Excepting the three 9-11 collapses, no fire, however severe, has ever caused a steel-framed high-rise building to collapse. Following are examples of high-rise fires that were far more severe than those in WTC 1 and 2, and Building 7. In these precedents, the fires consumed multiple floors, produced extensive window breakage, exhibited large areas of emergent flames, and went on for several hours. The fires in the WTC towers did none of these things.

READ ON AT,

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/fires.html

 

[Quag]

Would you quit lying. Your post shows what a typical liar does. Modifies a post and cherry picks statements. I answered the OP and provide two sources which are not the USGov she may find interesting.

camlok. you keep harping about the USGov supporters on not proving anything. I suggest you search this forum. There are many threads with the information you seek. I don't plan to rehash the topic again with you. Now, what you will find is you controlled demolitions supports have provided far less.

 

[Quag]

Maggie in case you were unsure Camlok is just spreading BS all his nonsense is proven les please dont engage this troll.

 

[Helix]

That level of structural damage had zero to do with the collapse of WTC7. If it had had something to do with it, the building would likely have crumpled and toppled over, in a halting, highly irregular fashion.

WTC7 did not do that, did it, Helix? It collapsed straight down into its footprint in the manner the controlled demolition was set up for.

How do you explain the fact that WTC7 steel was melted and vaporized by a thermitic reaction? Office fires cannot melt or vaporize steel, nor can office fires create thermitic reactions. The nanothermite had to have been brought in by someone, and it wasn't Arab hijackers.

===========

Other Skyscraper Fires

Fires Have Never Caused Skyscrapers to Collapse

One Meridian Plaza fire
The One Meridian Plaza fire
Excepting the three 9-11 collapses, no fire, however severe, has ever caused a steel-framed high-rise building to collapse. Following are examples of high-rise fires that were far more severe than those in WTC 1 and 2, and Building 7. In these precedents, the fires consumed multiple floors, produced extensive window breakage, exhibited large areas of emergent flames, and went on for several hours. The fires in the WTC towers did none of these things.

READ ON AT,

9-11 Research: Other Skyscraper Fires

covered in my post. read it again.

WTC7 got damaged by a falling skyscraper, burned all day, and then collapsed. it's as simple as that. buildings generally aren't designed to withstand that combination.

 

[camlok]

Would you quit lying. Your post shows what a typical liar does. Modifies a post and cherry picks statements.

camlok. you keep harping about the USGov supporters on not proving anything. I suggest you search this forum. There are many threads with the information you seek. I don't plan to rehash the topic again with you. Now, what you will find is you controlled demolitions supports have provided far less.

That's you folks, mike. Note how I called out Quag on his cherry picking post that was designed totally to mislead Maggie and anyone else.

I answered the OP and provide two sources which are not the USGov she may find interesting.

You answered nothing. You only sought to confuse the issue. Maggie described herself as a person with not much knowledge of WTC7 and you thought that throwing a bunch of websites at her would help her or the discussion???

What of your signature line, "I can explain it to you but, I can't understand it for you"? Where were your explanations, from the fellow who claims to be an expert at "explaining"?

Now here you are whining instead of "explaining" all those totally impossible things that I posted that shows the US story of 19 Arab hijackers as the crazy fable that it is.

I'm glad that you aren't going to try to rehash the USGOCT because it would be, as you full well know, an impossible task. Which is why you folks have never attempted it.